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colton 4 月 11 日 上午 9:21
more lore questions
is Nergigante stronger than zoh shia? i know they prey on elder dragons and reproduce through dragon element and would rajang be able to fight off arkveild?

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this was a great learning experience,sadly the story mode isnt as good as its lore
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Varagonax 4 月 11 日 上午 11:26 
引用自 Tustle
引用自 RedViper
Where does it say that Nergigante or Zoh shia reproduce using dragon element?
...heck, I thought Nergs reproduce asexually just by absorbing bio energy. Preferably from large elder dragons though they'll eat other elders for nutrition.
Nergigante CAN reproduce through its spikes, which develop into eggs when presented with nutrient rich environments.

Zho Shia "reproducing" is likely it regenerating itself over and over, considering its built off of fatalis blueprints and the regenerative properties of Wylk. Or its doing a mitosis cloning through bits of its self we leave behind after killing it. Which might be the case, actually, since Zho doesnt change sizes through the hunts.
Tustle 4 月 11 日 上午 11:29 
引用自 The Debauchery
引用自 colton
Nergigante can reproduce through planting spikes in elder dragons and having that spike turn into another Nergigante
... You just made that up on the spot.
think someone else made that up via adorable MHW fan art. Maybe less the usage of other Elders and more the spikes.
The Debauchery (已封禁) 4 月 11 日 上午 11:29 
引用自 Varagonax
Nergigante CAN reproduce through its spikes, which develop into eggs when presented with nutrient rich environments.
I guess Nergigante's ability to artificially inflate its own reputation works meta now?
If even real life people are willing to fabricate absurd stories about it, maybe it should be labelled as a cognitohazard.


Zho Shia "reproducing" is likely it regenerating itself over and over, considering its built off of fatalis blueprints and the regenerative properties of Wylk. Or its doing a mitosis cloning through bits of its self we leave behind after killing it. Which might be the case, actually, since Zho doesnt change sizes through the hunts.
That was brought up in a cutscene, but since our Zoh Shia weapons aren't growing into new Zoh Shia, there is undoubtedly something wrong with that hypothesis.
Mander 4 月 11 日 上午 11:31 
引用自 I3lood_Dr4gon
引用自 colton
I thought zoh shia was made of elder dragons mixed with other things, and his fatalis traits and animations/ attacks/ idles
Zoh IS a mutation / based off of Fatalis ... and probably gaismagorm arms if my theory about them are correct but thats just arms
yet Zoh is basically an EDW BD construct

Zoh is at most a prototype for Fatalis, with Fatalis being the high end product.
Afaik, Zoh is classified as construct, so not even a true (elder/black) dragon.
idk zoh looks more like if radaban or w/e its called but dragon
I3lood_Dr4gon 4 月 11 日 上午 11:33 
引用自 Mander
引用自 I3lood_Dr4gon
Zoh IS a mutation / based off of Fatalis ... and probably gaismagorm arms if my theory about them are correct but thats just arms
yet Zoh is basically an EDW BD construct

Zoh is at most a prototype for Fatalis, with Fatalis being the high end product.
Afaik, Zoh is classified as construct, so not even a true (elder/black) dragon.
how exactly do u mean Fatalis is the end product ...???
Mander 4 月 11 日 上午 11:35 
引用自 The Debauchery

Zho Shia "reproducing" is likely it regenerating itself over and over, considering its built off of fatalis blueprints and the regenerative properties of Wylk. Or its doing a mitosis cloning through bits of its self we leave behind after killing it. Which might be the case, actually, since Zho doesnt change sizes through the hunts.
That was brought up in a cutscene, but since our Zoh Shia weapons aren't growing into new Zoh Shia, there is undoubtedly something wrong with that hypothesis.

Yeah, personally, I think the Dragontorch, being an almost sapient industrial plant, is receiving feedback from itself that the “Equivalent Dragon Weapon womb is empty” and is proceeding to build one anew to fill the tank. That we fight again.
And again. And again. And again.
And so on.
nicken chugger 4 月 11 日 上午 11:36 
引用自 Silyon
引用自 nicken chugger
I'm not convinced that Zoh Shia is nearly as strong as a real Fatalis. Remember that it shows up as a pretty pathetic low rank boss the first time we fight it. It's only alive because the dragontorch keeps it on life support and it can't regenerate on its own.

I was under the impression that the regeneration was literally why we can fight it over and over in high-rank now. It literally grows back from a splash of blood or leftover scale being fed with the energy being put off by the Dragontorch. Which is a Fatalis trait as I understand it.

Honestly, the thing reminds me more of Xenojiva though. Especially with it's warbling trumpet and how it's nesting at a big energy core. I don't recall Nergigante ever fighting Xeno either.
Zoh Shia regenerates rapidly near the dragontorch but can't regenerate at all without it since guardians can only feed on wylk. Meanwhile with fatalis you can just leave a sword in a frozen cave and it will keep growing over time.
It's also possible that Zoh Shia can't even survive without staying near the dragontorch. It remained dormant until the guild disturbed it after all. I don't think it's clear whether Wyveria was destroyed by Zoh Shia, by something else, or if it was just abandoned and fell into disrepair. Xeno'jiva migrates right from the Elders Recess to a Zorah to feed, and Zoh Shia's upkeep is likely even more expensive.

Maybe as we keep hunting it and it keeps regenerating, it assumes a stronger form each time, with each being a closer reversion to a true black dragon...kinda like how arkveld returned to its normal form. It would explain why the first encounter was pathetic but the subsequent ones could put up a fight.

Also, is Safi'jiva classified as a black dragon? I thought not but I'm not sure.
Tustle 4 月 11 日 上午 11:37 
引用自 Mander
引用自 The Debauchery


That was brought up in a cutscene, but since our Zoh Shia weapons aren't growing into new Zoh Shia, there is undoubtedly something wrong with that hypothesis.

Yeah, personally, I think the Dragontorch, being an almost sapient industrial plant, is receiving feedback from itself that the “Equivalent Dragon Weapon womb is empty” and is proceeding to build one anew to fill the tank. That we fight again.
And again. And again. And again.
And so on.
it builds it's own self-defense mechanism, smart.

Maybe not the smartest though since said self-defense mechanism messes with everything else while it's nourishing itself...
I3lood_Dr4gon 4 月 11 日 上午 11:37 
引用自 The Debauchery
引用自 Varagonax
Nergigante CAN reproduce through its spikes, which develop into eggs when presented with nutrient rich environments.
I guess Nergigante's ability to artificially inflate its own reputation works meta now?
If even real life people are willing to fabricate absurd stories about it, maybe it should be labelled as a cognitohazard.


Zho Shia "reproducing" is likely it regenerating itself over and over, considering its built off of fatalis blueprints and the regenerative properties of Wylk. Or its doing a mitosis cloning through bits of its self we leave behind after killing it. Which might be the case, actually, since Zho doesnt change sizes through the hunts.
That was brought up in a cutscene, but since our Zoh Shia weapons aren't growing into new Zoh Shia, there is undoubtedly something wrong with that hypothesis.
not necessarily IF zoh is only capable to reform near torch due to energy cost its pretty simple same with Fatalis weapons as legend yet Zoh was capable of it due to having unlimited power supply
Silyon 4 月 11 日 上午 11:38 
引用自 The Debauchery
Zho Shia "reproducing" is likely it regenerating itself over and over, considering its built off of fatalis blueprints and the regenerative properties of Wylk. Or its doing a mitosis cloning through bits of its self we leave behind after killing it. Which might be the case, actually, since Zho doesnt change sizes through the hunts.
That was brought up in a cutscene, but since our Zoh Shia weapons aren't growing into new Zoh Shia, there is undoubtedly something wrong with that hypothesis.

My argument for that one is twofold. One, we're not around sufficient amounts of energy for the leftover bits in our weapons to react, as the only time we even approach the Dragontorch is to deal with the latest Zoh Shia while whatever bits we leave behind get to bathe in it for days. There arn't other major hotspots, even the "Wyrmways" only flash with high energy during inclemency and briefly as the energy is funneled away.

Second, our weapons see constant and consistent use. Normal Wear and tear may well be enough to trim back whatever parts do start regrowing, considering how starved for energy such parts must be. Could be like hair growing, leave the weapon alone in a box for a while and when you pull it out again it might be in need of a "trim".
rhabdophobia 4 月 11 日 上午 11:39 
nergigante isn't stronger than any elder dragon except like, kirin lol. it preys on the sick and vulnerable, which is why it followed zorah magdoros in world, it knew zorah was dying and wanted an easy meal.

we see in world that it at best ties with elders like kushala/teo, won't even try to fight them if they're paired like we see with teostra and lunastra. all of the "eater of elders" stuff is pure hype, it never even successfully predates an elder dragon at any point in canon.

rajang has a chance against arkveld but probably not a great one, it's small and easy to restrain, arkveld could siphon it's energy pretty easily.
I3lood_Dr4gon 4 月 11 日 上午 11:40 
引用自 nicken chugger
引用自 Silyon

I was under the impression that the regeneration was literally why we can fight it over and over in high-rank now. It literally grows back from a splash of blood or leftover scale being fed with the energy being put off by the Dragontorch. Which is a Fatalis trait as I understand it.

Honestly, the thing reminds me more of Xenojiva though. Especially with it's warbling trumpet and how it's nesting at a big energy core. I don't recall Nergigante ever fighting Xeno either.
Zoh Shia regenerates rapidly near the dragontorch but can't regenerate at all without it since guardians can only feed on wylk. Meanwhile with fatalis you can just leave a sword in a frozen cave and it will keep growing over time.
It's also possible that Zoh Shia can't even survive without staying near the dragontorch. It remained dormant until the guild disturbed it after all. I don't think it's clear whether Wyveria was destroyed by Zoh Shia, by something else, or if it was just abandoned and fell into disrepair. Xeno'jiva migrates right from the Elders Recess to a Zorah to feed, and Zoh Shia's upkeep is likely even more expensive.

Maybe as we keep hunting it and it keeps regenerating, it assumes a stronger form each time, with each being a closer reversion to a true black dragon...kinda like how arkveld returned to its normal form. It would explain why the first encounter was pathetic but the subsequent ones could put up a fight.

Also, is Safi'jiva classified as a black dragon? I thought not but I'm not sure.
Safi is infact a Black dragon COUNTERPART specifically stated as RED DRAGON in game dialogue
Varagonax 4 月 11 日 上午 11:42 
引用自 colton
is Nergigante stronger than zoh shia? i know they prey on elder dragons and reproduce through dragon element and would rajang be able to fight off arkveld?
Likely not. Nergigante isn't actually all that powerful of an elder dragon, all things considered, and generally preys on dying or elderly dragons. It has brute strength, sure, but so do all elder dragons. And it tires itself out quite easily.

Zho Shia was built off the traits of the strongest Elder Dragons the wyverians knew of. Fatalis, Safi Jiiva, Shara Ishvalda, Gaismagorn ect ect. Its also functionally immortal, and can rapidly recover from wounds as well as generate new copies of itself through its regenerative capabilities (mostly conjecture, tbh, on this last one. Based on how it regrows parts of itself throughout the fight, how wylk works, its description, and the fact that there is ZERO size variation when you fight it).

Its basically a black dragon, and while we have a normal fight of it, I do wonder if we will get a siege version of it after its fully recovered its energy.

That said, I don't think Rajang no diffs this like it did with Kirin. And Nergi would get obliterated, sorry. I think within the confines of the lore, and what we know, Only the upper level elder dragons really stand a chance.

Could Rajang take Arkveld? I would like to say yes, Rajang is a beast, but Arkveld is much larger and stronger, and can sap energy. I think odds are, Arkveld is a hard match for rajang. Rajang couldnt even power up during the fight, I think it loses like... 7 out of ten times.
Mander 4 月 11 日 上午 11:43 
引用自 I3lood_Dr4gon
引用自 Mander

Zoh is at most a prototype for Fatalis, with Fatalis being the high end product.
Afaik, Zoh is classified as construct, so not even a true (elder/black) dragon.
how exactly do u mean Fatalis is the end product ...???

If you read the description of Zoh Shia armor, it seems to mirror very closely the one from Fatalis, just flipped around. Where Fatalis armor's pieces are promises of ruin, Zoh Shia tells the story of someone who choose to be a guardian (while the weapons seem to tell the stories of victories against an attacker).

Now, I'm speculating here, but if the ancient civilization had Zoh Shia as the last line of defense, is plausible they also created something to be a weapon of mass destruction, the kind of weapon you deploy when you don’t have any other choice.
Their mistake has been simply to make Fatalis too intelligent for its designed role.
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