What do you hope for Wilds?

[MaiyagyGery]

Me? I hope we will face another Dalamadur even though he's dead in World.
But no way there is only one Dalamadur right?
Right?
And Raviente as well, please bring all your giant snake monsters CAPCOM.!

[vaanomega]

Originally posted by Teratus:

Originally posted by Loch:

Convergent evolution, look it up

I know what it is :P

Doesn't explain how Wyvern A is a Wyvern and Wyvern B is a T-Rex lol
Rathalos and Rathian is a better example of Convergent Evolution.. or better yet Jyurtodus and Lavasioth.

Wyverns are specifically defined as two legged, winged dragon like creatures possessing a pointed tail that is often venomous.

Originally posted by Loch:

Is a Fanged Beast

Annoyingly they have that classification and yet do not use it when it's appropriate for monsters like Tobi and Odo.

Nah just lump them in with the Wyverns lol
Feels lazy.

They've been trying to add him back for a while now afaik. They're fully aware that Lagi is a fan favourite but struggle to get him to play nice with the newer maps that consist of bumpy and more varied terrain

Nah I doubt that's too much of an issue when there's other lowriding monsters, some of which bloat out super big like Great Jagras and Dodogama.
They even use some of Lagi's moves as well like the Roll attacks.

The main difference is Lagi is much bigger and longer but I can't see that making so much of a difference that it would disqualify Lagi from newer games.

I reckon the main issue is the water combat, specifically the lack of it.
Much of Lagi's power and threat level comes from fighting it in the water not on land..
I expect they just don't have much interest in making drastic changes to Lagi to make it a land only creature.. it would erase much of it's identity to that as well.

Which is why I want both Lagi and underwater combat back, they're a combo deal but a deal well worth making.

Meh, no thanks. All the other Piscine Wyverns are already just Plesioth rehashes and are overall a pretty boring class of monsters. Even Beo is just the best of a bad bunch imo (though I do like Beo a lot actually)

Fair point though Plesioth is like Lagi, far better off with an underwater fighting style as well.
World's Picines are kinda of repetitive I agree but that's because they're all ultimately the same albeit with different elements.

Wyverns in MH aren't the same as the ones in Eu culture, it is it's own thing
Wyverns in MH are basically big lizard
Fanged Beasts are more like mammals

[Lochlann]

Originally posted by Teratus:

I know what it is :P

Doesn't explain how Wyvern A is a Wyvern and Wyvern B is a T-Rex lol
Rathalos and Rathian is a better example of Convergent Evolution.. or better yet Jyurtodus and Lavasioth.

Wyverns are specifically defined as two legged, winged dragon like creatures possessing a pointed tail that is often venomous.

Rathian and Rathalos are the same species, one is male and one is female, and Jyuratodus and Lavasioth are very closely related species almost like comparing a lion to a tiger

Look at all the different mammals in the world, there's a ton of them that come in all sorts of different sizes... Or reptiles even, as all animals in the world technically did evolve from reptiles, even mammals. Pretty sure birds can still be considered reptiles, but we still distinguish them from reptiles despite them being the literal descendents of the dinosaurs. Over time, animals evolve in different ways and eventually become completely different animals and that's what's going on with MonHun's Wyverns. A whale looks a hell of a lot like a fish, but it is a mammal that has evolved for aquatic life and just happened to take on a similar look (which is why Tobi and Odo are Fanged Wyverns and not Fanged Beasts, the latter of which are akin to mammals)

Obviously, MonHun can't perfectly mimic real life and there's definitely things that can be questioned but it's good enough to be believable.

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As for Lagiacrus, I honestly prefer him outside of the water tbh. I feel like he already had a good land moveset even in Low Rank GU. I would love to see underwater combat back and I think they could make it work a lot better, but 3rd gen's underwater combat its charm VERY quickly for me and Lagi himself shared a lot of attacks with Royal Ludroth and Ceadus anyways.

I'm too lazy to search for it but I believe they have genuinely talked about why they struggle to bring Lagi back before

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by Loch:

Originally posted by Teratus:

I know what it is :P

Doesn't explain how Wyvern A is a Wyvern and Wyvern B is a T-Rex lol
Rathalos and Rathian is a better example of Convergent Evolution.. or better yet Jyurtodus and Lavasioth.

Wyverns are specifically defined as two legged, winged dragon like creatures possessing a pointed tail that is often venomous.

Rathian and Rathalos are the same species, one is male and one is female, and Jyuratodus and Lavasioth are very closely related species almost like comparing a lion to a tiger

Look at all the different mammals in the world, there's a ton of them that come in all sorts of different sizes... Or reptiles even, as all animals in the world technically did evolve from reptiles, even mammals. Pretty sure birds can still be considered reptiles, but we still distinguish them from reptiles despite them being the literal descendents of the dinosaurs. Over time, animals evolve in different ways and eventually become completely different animals and that's what's going on with MonHun's Wyverns. A whale looks a hell of a lot like a fish, but it is a mammal that has evolved for aquatic life and just happened to take on a similar look (which is why Tobi and Odo are Fanged Wyverns and not Fanged Beasts, the latter of which are akin to mammals)

Obviously, MonHun can't perfectly mimic real life and there's definitely things that can be questioned but it's good enough to be believable.

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As for Lagiacrus, I honestly prefer him outside of the water tbh. I feel like he already had a good land moveset even in Low Rank GU. I would love to see underwater combat back and I think they could make it work a lot better, but 3rd gen's underwater combat its charm VERY quickly for me and Lagi himself shared a lot of attacks with Royal Ludroth and Ceadus anyways.

I'm too lazy to search for it but I believe they have genuinely talked about why they struggle to bring Lagi back before

The struggle with Lagi was due to World basically being on a 20 year old Frankenstien'ed engine, and having a lot of sharp slopes, which caused issues for longer monsters. It's why it had next to no diversity in monster types. With Rise, they were actually rather open about trying to fix issues with longer monsters, Almudron being their test subject, with one of the SB TUs being where they announced they fixed Almudron's jankiness, and would use the fixes moving forward.
They also revealed in a recent interview, the dev team has a "Team Lagiacrus", a group of devs that are hardcore Lagiacrus fans, and want him to return in his true glory.

[Lochlann]

^^ Well there you go, even the MH devs themselves are Lagi fanboys and it seems they've made a bit of a breakthrough with Almudron's help so it's more likely than ever going into Wilds. All we can do is wait and see

[Teratus]

Originally posted by vaanomega:

Wyverns in MH aren't the same as the ones in Eu culture, it is it's own thing
Wyverns in MH are basically big lizard
Fanged Beasts are more like mammals

Exactly my point :)

It's like the Developers thought.. eh Dragons too overdone, lets save them for something special.
Lets go with Wyverns.. that sounds cooler lol.

In many ways it's this whole Zombie vs Mummy argument, they're similar but different in very specific ways and you can't call Mummy's Zombies without people getting mad XD

That's basically what they did with the Wyvern class in MH.
Expanded it far too much to include things that just don't fit the classification.

It's a pet peeve obviously, I know.
I love this franchise, it's just a little thing that bugs me lol

Unlike Dragons that have mythological origins in many cultures all over the world, and share many distinctive differences as a result.. See the difference between European Dragon designs and east Asian.
Wyverns specifically originate from European myth and therefore are less diversified, having a far more specific set of traits that identify them.
Namely 2 legs, two wings and a pointed venomous tail.. they don't come in other variations of that which is why it's a bit of a personal peeve in Monster Hunter XD

[vaanomega]

Originally posted by Teratus:

Originally posted by vaanomega:

Wyverns in MH aren't the same as the ones in Eu culture, it is it's own thing
Wyverns in MH are basically big lizard
Fanged Beasts are more like mammals

Exactly my point :)

It's like the Developers thought.. eh Dragons too overdone, lets save them for something special.
Lets go with Wyverns.. that sounds cooler lol.

In many ways it's this whole Zombie vs Mummy argument, they're similar but different in very specific ways and you can't call Mummy's Zombies without people getting mad XD

That's basically what they did with the Wyvern class in MH.
Expanded it far too much to include things that just don't fit the classification.

It's a pet peeve obviously, I know.
I love this franchise, it's just a little thing that bugs me lol

Unlike Dragons that have mythological origins in many cultures all over the world, and share many distinctive differences as a result.. See the difference between European Dragon designs and east Asian.
Wyverns specifically originate from European myth and therefore are less diversified, having a far more specific set of traits that identify them.
Namely 2 legs, two wings and a pointed venomous tail.. they don't come in other variations of that which is why it's a bit of a personal peeve in Monster Hunter XD

Honnestly, it doesn't bother me much, i take it as if it had a definition from the MH universe, if i was too focused on the mythological definition/aspect of the world rather than the game world itself, how many times i would have been bothered by anime/manga/games in general using european ou any other mythology to create new stories, because to me, it's basically the same, using King Arthur and Gilgamesh fighting together in a new world is the same as using a different definition for a creature

Also, D&D also have some Mythological creature modified, i seen nobody upset about it

[Teratus]

Originally posted by Loch:

Rathian and Rathalos are the same species, one is male and one is female, and Jyuratodus and Lavasioth are very closely related species almost like comparing a lion to a tiger

Look at all the different mammals in the world, there's a ton of them that come in all sorts of different sizes... Or reptiles even, as all animals in the world technically did evolve from reptiles, even mammals. Pretty sure birds can still be considered reptiles, but we still distinguish them from reptiles despite them being the literal descendents of the dinosaurs. Over time, animals evolve in different ways and eventually become completely different animals and that's what's going on with MonHun's Wyverns. A whale looks a hell of a lot like a fish, but it is a mammal that has evolved for aquatic life and just happened to take on a similar look (which is why Tobi and Odo are Fanged Wyverns and not Fanged Beasts, the latter of which are akin to mammals)

Obviously, MonHun can't perfectly mimic real life and there's definitely things that can be questioned but it's good enough to be believable.

True but they do have distinctive differences, like Rathian having the venomous tail and Rathalos carrying it's Venom in it's claws instead.
That's why I went with the better Picine example tbh.

Both Lions and Tigers are are actually Panthers funny enough..
I think the requirement is.. if it's a big cat and it can Roar it's a Panther.
But large cats that cannot roar, like Cheetah's, Lynx and Puma's are not Panthers nor real "big cats"

But anyway then we have Mammals.. which includes big cats, dogs, whales, us, apes, elephants.. the list goes on and on.
We don't call all mammals monkeys right.. but that's what MH essentially does with the Wyvern classification.. which is why Dragon would have been more appropriate tbh since Wyverns are a specific type of Dragon and Dragon has a wider classification band.

Odogaron has far more in common with a Fanged Beast than it does with a Wyvern, same for Tobi which is by all means a reptile in near every way.

Brutes mainly have far more in common with Dinosaurs like Aptonoth which are not even classed as such.. they're just labelled Herbivores.

It's just messy really and it kinda bugs me since this franchise is otherwise so well thought out with small details like endemic life, behaviours and the monster list is so impressively vast with such cool variety between species and variants etc.

I wish they'd taken just a bit more time to class things more appropriately that's all.

As for Lagiacrus, I honestly prefer him outside of the water tbh. I feel like he already had a good land moveset even in Low Rank GU. I would love to see underwater combat back and I think they could make it work a lot better, but 3rd gen's underwater combat its charm VERY quickly for me and Lagi himself shared a lot of attacks with Royal Ludroth and Ceadus anyways.

I'm too lazy to search for it but I believe they have genuinely talked about why they struggle to bring Lagi back before

Yeah he did share a bit, which has also been integrated into newer creatures too like Great Jagras and Dodogama.
That's why I feel like it will need to have a water fight phase to keep it unique as only a few creatures really have that overall.
That can also be an area of improvement as well for a Lagi fight, dangerous on land.. absolutely lethal in water.

If they were to add back anything like Royal Ludroth it would basically just be another Great Jagras fight.. they're almost identical tbh.
If that too had water access that would be the big difference between them that would justify their inclusion in the same game.

Tbh i'd like to see more Raptors too, we don't get many of those in World either and the series does have some really good ones.
Personal favourite being Great Jaggi, i'm a sucker for that JP Dilo themed creature haha

Side note too.. we don't ever get variants of Raptors do we?
I know there's usually a stronger Raptor type in many games.. like Jaggi, Wroggi and Baggi, Kulu ya Ku and Tzitzi ya ku.. but they're always very different from each other.

I can't think of any actual variants like Rathalos and Azure Rathalos which are the same thing just one is much faster and stronger.

Would be cool to get some stronger and differently coloured themed Raptors in future games too.
A venomous Black and Red Great Jaggi would look sweet, a Pink Kulu Ya Ku could look really cool as well

[Lochlann]

Lions/Tigers and Cheetahs are from different subfamilies but they're still both part of the Felidae family of mammals which is to say they are very close relatives of each other

And also the differences between Rathalos and Rathian are the result of sexual dimorphism, most common example of that in our world is probably among birds though the difference between the two Raths is a lot more than just one being flashier than the other

At the end of the day MonHun clearly has its own separate classification of a wyvern, some clades of which are similar to most "true" wyverns whereas others have evolved into very different animals

(and as for the raptors, I can't say I really care for them much)

[ᔑᓭ∴ᔑリ⊣]

i think it's a fool's errand to wish for proper classifications when it comes to this topic, dragons are not real animals and usually aren't supposed to be, its more like the name of a legend or ideal than any creature. and the wyverns of MH definitely fit the idea of dragons if not classical 'wyverns' specifically

as loch said, MH does have it's own classification system and it fits perfectly well enough for what it wants to do, its actually better as it is imo as you'd want it to be simple and clear enough for the average player to understand it.
2 legs 2 arms = brute wyverns, 4 leg terrestrial = fanged wyverns, mammals = fanged beasts, fish = piscine wyverns, 2 legs 2 wings = flying wyverns, birds & raptors = bird wyverns, etc etc.
and anything that doesn't fit is an elder dragon, which are supposed to be more unnatural and fantastical than the usual monsters, calling all of them dragons would hurt that i think

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by Teratus:

Originally posted by vaanomega:

Wyverns in MH aren't the same as the ones in Eu culture, it is it's own thing
Wyverns in MH are basically big lizard
Fanged Beasts are more like mammals

Exactly my point :)

It's like the Developers thought.. eh Dragons too overdone, lets save them for something special.
Lets go with Wyverns.. that sounds cooler lol.

In many ways it's this whole Zombie vs Mummy argument, they're similar but different in very specific ways and you can't call Mummy's Zombies without people getting mad XD

That's basically what they did with the Wyvern class in MH.
Expanded it far too much to include things that just don't fit the classification.

It's a pet peeve obviously, I know.
I love this franchise, it's just a little thing that bugs me lol

Unlike Dragons that have mythological origins in many cultures all over the world, and share many distinctive differences as a result.. See the difference between European Dragon designs and east Asian.
Wyverns specifically originate from European myth and therefore are less diversified, having a far more specific set of traits that identify them.
Namely 2 legs, two wings and a pointed venomous tail.. they don't come in other variations of that which is why it's a bit of a personal peeve in Monster Hunter XD

You should be upset at the localization, because in Japanese, theyre not wyverns, theyre's 竜種 , or Yushu, which roughly translates to dragon. You have Bird Yushu, Flying Yushu, Sea Yushu, etc. They also do have lore and diagrams explaining the evolution of the "Wyvern" in MH terms, because Wyvernians are also "Yushu".

[Teratus]

Originally posted by Loch:

Lions/Tigers and Cheetahs are from different subfamilies but they're still both part of the Felidae family of mammals which is to say they are very close relatives of each other

Felidae basically just means Cats but yes they are all cats and related via a family.
Some are more closely related than others though via subfamily.

That's where Lions and Tigers come it which as I mentioned are all technically classified as Panthers as they are part of the Panthera genus sharing certain common traits like skull shape and vocal characteristics.
All but one of the Panthera species can Roar where as other large cats cannot.
The exception being the Snow Leopard due to it's shorter vocal folds, but it is still recognised as a panther.

The true name of Lions and Tigers are Panthera Leo and Panthera Tigris.
If you're curious about the others, Panthera onca is the name for Jaguar.
Panthera Pardus is a Leopard, Panthera Uncia is a Snow Leopard.

As for thee Panther, aka Black Panther.. funny enough they don't actually exist as their own species.
Black Panthers are literally just colour variants of Leopards and Jaguars.
They just have a lot of melanin.

Funny enough Black Cougars are also called Black Panthers as well although the Cougar/Mountain Lion are part of the Puma family, so they're not real Panthers.

(and as for the raptors, I can't say I really care for them much)

Shame.. I find them quite distinctive personally.
Lot of flying stuff in the game and not many small scale large monsters overall.. least in some games.
The series tends to prefer going big with monsters or having them fly about a lot.
Kinda nice having something smaller and ground level to fight sometimes.

Be cool if they branched that out more.. hell we've been talking about cats a lot.. wouldn't it be pretty cool to have some actual Feline monsters in the game too?

We do have some Feline Wyverns like Barioth and Elders like Teostra but I'm thinking actual Felines.. no wings no flashy powers for some.. just large, fast and powerful cats.
Could be fun to expand the Fanged Beast category with some cool felines.
Just look at the Shadowmane in ARK to see what I mean, would make a cool monster in this franchise.

Of the top of my head I recall we do have some Bear types, Boar types and a good amount of Ape type monsters.. There's even a Rabbit lol
No Cats though I don't think.

[Teratus]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

You should be upset at the localization, because in Japanese, theyre not wyverns, theyre's 竜種 , or Yushu, which roughly translates to dragon. You have Bird Yushu, Flying Yushu, Sea Yushu, etc. They also do have lore and diagrams explaining the evolution of the "Wyvern" in MH terms, because Wyvernians are also "Yushu".

Fair point, but tbh yea that is generally what i'm talking about lol

[Lochlann]

For me it's just hard to make small monsters actually interesting past the early game because even a single pip of evade extender trivialises them not to mention they tend to die quickly in general

Great Izuchi is the best one as far as I'm concerned, followed by Great Maccao

[Pyro Penguin]

i hope they don't try to load it with microtransactions like the greedy ♥♥♥♥♥ they are

[MaiyagyGery]

Originally posted by Pyro Penguin:

i hope they don't try to load it with microtransactions like the greedy ♥♥♥♥♥ they are

They had massive success with it in World, no way they didn't do it in Wilds lol