First MH with no Elder Dragons

[[Nelly]]

How do you feel about no Elder Dragons being in Wilds? Who would you like to see return? It's weird not seeing the Trio but we could always get the usual 3 suspects in future updates.

[es.Iiden]

I can smell Alatreon again.

[Seth Abercromby]

I think it's actually quite refreshing to have a base MH story that doesn't involve any formal Elders. Zoh would absolutely be classed as an ED though, and of course Gore does virtually guarantee we'll at the very least see a Shagaru later on.

For ones I'd personally like to return, since the game is paying a lot of homage to the first and second gen monsters, it'd be really cool to see sieges or raids involving Lao Shan Lung and Shen Gaoren.

[[Nelly]]

Originally posted by Seth Abercromby:

I think it's actually quite refreshing to have a base MH story that doesn't involve any formal Elders. Zoh would absolutely be classed as an ED though, and of course Gore does virtually guarantee we'll at the very least see a Shagaru later on.

For ones I'd personally like to return, since the game is paying a lot of homage to the first and second gen monsters, it'd be really cool to see sieges or raids involving Lao Shan Lung and Shen Gaoren.

I personally hate siege monsters, but if they remade them into a sort of "Arena" fight, I'd be down for their return.

[TyresTyco]

I'm fine with it. But once I have to fight kush and teo again I will eat a brick. I really hope they dont bring them back.

[zmanbuilder]

Elder dragons being rare is what makes them special.

[Nihrahk]

Well, Zoh Shia is technically one. It's categorized as a construct just like the guardians, but we all know it's an Elder Dragon. With Gore just being in the game, we know Shagaru is gonna come sooner or later.

MH Wilds is kinda putting Elder Dragons on the shelf, as the focus is more on the regular monsters. I'd imagine that they're gonna make Elder Dragons rare, like they actually should be. I like that approach, because I do think the roster was pretty bloated with Elder Dragons in both MHW and Rise. They didn't really feel as rare as they should be.

I do think we should have some, but I believe 6-7 is the magic number for the amount of Elder Dragons that should be around at any given time.

Not counting subspecies, variants and Behemoth, MHW had 14 Elder Dragons. Meanwhile, Rise had 11 of them when not counting variants or subs.

[Seth Abercromby]

Originally posted by Pigeon:

I personally hate siege monsters, but if they remade them into a sort of "Arena" fight, I'd be down for their return.

I can't exactly disagree, the Kulve siege had been much improved by converting it into a raid for her AT quest since most of it is just really boring on the 50th run. But if it's a siege on the spectacle of Safi I think that's at least valuing your time and effort as a player.

[[Nelly]]

Originally posted by Nihrahk:

Well, Zoh Shia is technically one. It's categorized as a construct just like the guardians, but we all know it's an Elder Dragon. With Gore just being in the game, we know Shagaru is gonna come sooner or later.

MH Wilds is kinda putting Elder Dragons on the shelf, as the focus is more on the regular monsters. I'd imagine that they're gonna make Elder Dragons rare, like they actually should be. I like that approach, because I do think the roster was pretty bloated with Elder Dragons in both MHW and Rise. They didn't really feel as rare as they should be.

I do think we should have some, but I believe 6-7 is the magic number for the amount of Elder Dragons that should be around at any given time.

Not counting subspecies, variants and Behemoth, MHW had 14 Elder Dragons. Meanwhile, Rise had 11 of them when not counting variants or subs.

I agree 6-7 is a good number. Is this counting variants/subspecies?

[Capt_Lycanthro]

A mature Gore Magala seems and the Zoh Shia origin species are all but guaranteed to happen at some point, I could see them doing a further evolution of Arkveld as well.

[Cutthroat Cutwire]

don't totally mind their absence, they were beginning to feel a bit over-saturated and i'm not a huge fan of how a lot of the time late/end game turned into primarily focusing on them. i honestly wouldn't mind a total absence for the trio, giving them a break to focus on less prominent elders would be a nice change of pace. world's approach of introducing brand new ones could work well here too, since we're in a completely foreign land for this game it'd totally make sense for there to be elders we've never seen before.

all of that said, if they tease me with a dalamadur skeleton one more time i'm going to scream, just give him to me already capcom.

[GunRunner89X]

Originally posted by Nihrahk:

Well, Zoh Shia is technically one. It's categorized as a construct just like the guardians, but we all know it's an Elder Dragon. With Gore just being in the game, we know Shagaru is gonna come sooner or later.

MH Wilds is kinda putting Elder Dragons on the shelf, as the focus is more on the regular monsters. I'd imagine that they're gonna make Elder Dragons rare, like they actually should be. I like that approach, because I do think the roster was pretty bloated with Elder Dragons in both MHW and Rise. They didn't really feel as rare as they should be.

I do think we should have some, but I believe 6-7 is the magic number for the amount of Elder Dragons that should be around at any given time.

Not counting subspecies, variants and Behemoth, MHW had 14 Elder Dragons. Meanwhile, Rise had 11 of them when not counting variants or subs.

Well technically it was made from... several Elder Dragons...

Anyway, bring back one of the Mohrans! We've got sandships for Fatalis' sake, now those were good hunts. Unless you messed up the timing of the binders/Dragonator...

- Few minutes loading and firing cannons.
- In combat when they were next to the ship.
- Jumping on top of them and attacking parts of their bodies, while mining at available spots.

I don't remember Dahren as well as I do Jhen... Jhen's armour was insane, its weapons were poop.....

[zmanbuilder]

Personally, the apexes are elder dragon quality fights.

[palacentes]

jin dahad is an elder, you cant capture it because it is one I think. Sure shock traps affect it, but theres no real logic for any elder dragon to resist a shock trap. It fits the bill, it changes the environment by making it super cold. Honestly, elder dragons can be captured. Esp somthing small like kirin, which a rajang can defeat. Game just wont let us.

Gore magala, if it is able to transform, tho i personally think that even as gore magala, it should be an elder. Its going to change one day. its frenzy is environment changing. It berserks the monsters.

Zoh shia for sure.

I think arkveld is an elder. Its like nergigante, it doesnt change the environement but it kills monsters ( i cant see a kirin or a teostra beating it, I bet it would eat elders too) a lot and that impacts the enviroment. Plus did you see how it breeds? One arkveld restored the whole species and apparently it can reach adult hood in weeks? couple of months? We did not have a significant timeskip. It def hasnt been a year for full grown arkvelds to populate the whole area and for powerful tempered ones to appear. Just imagine how it breeds... maybe 3 years there is more than 1000 arkvelds already. I think it will destroy the region since it can breed like this. And it doesnt need a partner. It can just lay eggs and go apparently. It also doesnt need to care for the egg, its born strong I guess. It can just keep laying, hunting and moving around... only the best hunters can actuallly kill it, starvation or being hunted by other arkvelds or maybe gore magala, but there arent enough gores to keep arkveld in check.

Uthduna might be one because it causes all that water right? so its environment changing.

I think rey just moves w lightning storms and doesnt cause it. Same for nuudra, it was attracted by the fire.

The dragon torch is an elder dragon. It was confirmed to be a living thing and its 100% environment changing.

[zmanbuilder]

Jin dahaad is not a elder, it is just a very large monster, and all the apexes effect the weather.

A elder dragon is a type of monster that does not fit in any other category, usually defined by having 4 legs and 2 wings.

[Cutthroat Cutwire]

Originally posted by palacentes:

jin dahad is an elder,

Zoh shia for sure.

I think arkveld is an elder.

Uthduna might be one because it causes all that water right? so its environment changing.

leviathan
construct
flying wyvern
leviathan

they all have official classifications, none of them are elder dragons.