Wait or skip if performance is shady?

[Urban Shaman]

I've never played any MH games before, so I've no idea how such things have been handled in the past (if at all).

So clearly the performance / optimization is a bit of a mess right now. Is this something we can reasonably expect Capcom to fix / improve with updates, or are they known to leave the performance aspect hanging? I know no one can predict the future, obviously, but I'd expect people more familiar with the franchise / developer to know which way this wind's blowing...

[xavier434]

You are going to get a wide mix of responses that will probably swing your opinion back and forth until you realize you never got past square one.

But let me try and help by first asking what your PC specs are. With that information, I can try and give you an idea of what to expect based on what the experiences have been like in my household which runs multiple gaming PCs each with different specs.

[Urban Shaman]

The barebones specs are:

CPU: AMD 5600X
GPU: Nvidia 3070 Ti
RAM: 32GB
Monitor: 144Hz @ 1080p

I tried the benchmark with some genericly-default settings and it was... shady, especially compared to some other games I've been playing. Notable drops in performance in cutscenes on camera cuts (including briefly seeing the "low poly" loading effect), and gameplay would go around 60, but dip into some less comfortable rates at times.

[Richard]

Just use frame generation or DLSS and its smooth on "quality". Have 140fps on full hd. Similar specs.
5600
rx 7600
32gb

[Urban Shaman]

Originally posted by Richard:

Just use frame generation or DLSS and its smooth on "quality". Have 140fps on full hd. Similar specs.
5600
rx 7600
32gb

I did have DLSS on in my benchmark test (quality setting). FrameGen doesn't exist in Nvidia 30-series cards.

Are you using any specific quality preset?

[xavier434]

Originally posted by Urban Shaman:

The barebones specs are:

CPU: AMD 5600X
GPU: Nvidia 3070 Ti
RAM: 32GB

I tried the benchmark with some genericly-default settings and it was... shady, especially compared to some other games I've been playing. Notable drops in performance in cutscenes on camera cuts (including briefly seeing the "low poly" loading effect), and gameplay would go around 60, but dip into some less comfortable rates at times.

Your specs are just a tiny bit below mine but close. When I ran the bench using various settings, I experienced a similar result as you are describing. After buying the game and playing with settings even more I was able to achieve much more satisfactory results that included no stuttering after initial loading into the game while everything was still rendering (several seconds tops) and FPS that almost never dips below 60, usually hovers around 80-90, and I commonly see 100+ too.

I run the game at mostly "High" settings, 1440p, and ray tracing is off. By far, the biggest positive impact to my FPS and stuttering was the combination of setting Upscaling to AMD FSR 3 (DLSS didn't work well for me at all), Frame Generation Enabled, and Upscaling Mode to Quality. This achieved much better performance without noticing any blurry graphics or input latency at all.

I also changed some other things that I am not sure if they made a noticeable impact. I don't remember them all off hand but two of them were turning distant shadows down a bit and Volumetric Fog is set to Low.

In conclusion, I can comfortably say that you will have a good experience unless you try to push 4k or ray tracing although you could potentially get away with ray tracing too if it is important to you.


Edit: I have a 3080

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Urban Shaman:

Wait or skip if performance is shady?
I've never played any MH games before, so I've no idea how such things have been handled in the past (if at all).

So clearly the performance / optimization is a bit of a mess right now. Is this something we can reasonably expect Capcom to fix / improve with updates, or are they known to leave the performance aspect hanging? I know no one can predict the future, obviously, but I'd expect people more familiar with the franchise / developer to know which way this wind's blowing...

Performance is fine. If you cannot afford a good PC, then wait.

[Richard]

Originally posted by Urban Shaman:

Originally posted by Richard:

Just use frame generation or DLSS and its smooth on "quality". Have 140fps on full hd. Similar specs.
5600
rx 7600
32gb

I did have DLSS on in my benchmark test. FrameGen doesn't exist in Nvidia 30-series cards.

It does i used framegen on rtx 3070 before it broke into blackscreen errors from drivers. its supported. Maybe not ti? I havent changed much settings becouse it made the game crash.

[Bind0fGod]

I finally fixed my performance entirely with tinkering and Linux launch commands.
It was rocky at first but now the game runs pretty well, even by my high standards.

I have a beefy rig tho.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Richard:

Originally posted by Urban Shaman:

I did have DLSS on in my benchmark test. FrameGen doesn't exist in Nvidia 30-series cards.

It does i used framegen on rtx 3070 before it broke into blackscreen errors from drivers. its supported. Maybe not ti? I havent changed much settings becouse it made the game crash.

No it doenst.

You need to use FSR3+FG.

[Urban Shaman]

Originally posted by xavier434:

(...)By far, the biggest positive impact to my FPS and stuttering was the combination of setting Upscaling to AMD FSR3, Frame Generation Enabled, and Upscaling Mode to quality. This achieved much better performance without noticing any blurry graphics or input latency at all.

Do you have an Nvidia card or AMD? Also - I'm very partial towards any sort of frame generation. Where AI-based upscaling (or any upscaling technology, really) is a pure FPS booster (at the possible cost of lowering image quality / artifacts), frame-gen... well... creates "fake" frames, which can make well-running games seem even better, but won't make a poorly running game run well.

[Richard]

Originally posted by Urban Shaman:

Originally posted by xavier434:

(...)By far, the biggest positive impact to my FPS and stuttering was the combination of setting Upscaling to AMD FSR3, Frame Generation Enabled, and Upscaling Mode to quality. This achieved much better performance without noticing any blurry graphics or input latency at all.

Do you have an Nvidia card or AMD? Also - I'm very partial towards any sort of frame generation. Where AI-based upscaling (or any upscaling technology, really) is a pure FPS booster (at the possible cost of lowering image quality / artifacts), frame-gen... well... creates "fake" frames, which can make well-running games seem even better, but won't make a poorly running game run well.

I use AMD now, had an rtx 3070 before, it died not sure same issues with black screens as 50 series drivers. But if you have 3070ti your cpu could be a bottleneck.

[xavier434]

Originally posted by Urban Shaman:

Originally posted by xavier434:

(...)By far, the biggest positive impact to my FPS and stuttering was the combination of setting Upscaling to AMD FSR3, Frame Generation Enabled, and Upscaling Mode to quality. This achieved much better performance without noticing any blurry graphics or input latency at all.

Do you have an Nvidia card or AMD? Also - I'm very partial towards any sort of frame generation. Where AI-based upscaling (or any upscaling technology, really) is a pure FPS booster (at the possible cost of lowering image quality / artifacts), frame-gen... well... creates "fake" frames, which can make well-running games seem even better, but won't make a poorly running game run well.

I have a 3080.

I also feel the exact same way that you do about AI frame generation. I think it is the wrong direction for the industry, but for the sake of scope of conversation I will leave it at that.

What I can say with confidence is that I tried running the game after purchasing both with the frame gen settings I cited earlier and without. With those specific settings, I did not notice any image quality issues, input latency, or any other issues in general. If my original FPS without frame gen was lower then I would almost certainly have noticed glaring issues but that was not true for this game with my hardware specs.

[😎Astran😾]

A card below 4070 or screen above 1080p = better wait till September

[Friends with Benedicts]

You should wait honestly. No problem in joining a lil bit later in the future.

Obviously it has the from soft effect: The game on release has a much higher pop rate and youllfind people playing on all sorts of levels and against all monsters.

That effect will diminish with time, but I guess youre probably fine for the first month.

After the second month and until the dlc releases, the pop will slowly decrease though.

But if youre someone that usually prefers to play solo, this will be not a problem. Plus they made it so there are a couple of AI hunters that can also come to help you so I think youll have no problem in waiting for perfomance improvements in the near future.

[Urban Shaman]

Originally posted by 😎𝔸𝕤𝕥𝕣𝕒𝕟😾:

A card below 4070 or screen above 1080p = better wait till September

I'm aiming for 1080p, thankfully. I guess I should have specified that in the barebones above... Than again you wrote "OR", so... I'm still screwed.