Does anyone actually think the Gore Magala fight is good?

[Herr Schadenfreude]

The title. If you like it, explain why.

I will counter you with 27 reasons why it's not.

[Trost]

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İlk olarak This PC tarafından gönderildi:

A good hammer player will offset 2~3 times easily during any quest lol, it's the most power move ever with it, you haven't proven to me why Gore is ♥♥♥♥, and I have a complete opposite experience. You're the first one who made claims here, burden of proof is on you. I actually play with a hammer dude all the time. :P

You're trying to derail the discussion to save face.

I've literally debunked every "reason" so far and given plenty of evidence why it's a BAD fight. "I have fun" doesn't make it a GOOD fight. As I have already PROVEN, the Gore fight is bad. And as I have already admitted, you can have fun with bad fights. See my comments regarding Tigrex and Rajang. When difficulty is administered via "the game decides you'll take damage now" and you can't counter that with any amount of autonomy in a meaningful way, that's BAD monster design.
A GOOD difficult monster design would've been AT Nergigante and Lunastra from MHW. Plenty of punishment but also plenty of counterplay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pis5Xmi0SR4

wow this fight has so many "the game decides you'll take damage now" attacks right???

[Herr Schadenfreude]

İlk olarak NiamhNyx tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Herr Schadenfreude tarafından gönderildi:

I've literally debunked every "reason" so far and given plenty of evidence why it's a BAD fight. "I have fun" doesn't make it a GOOD fight. As I have already PROVEN, the Gore fight is bad. And as I have already admitted, you can have fun with bad fights. See my comments regarding Tigrex and Rajang. When difficulty is administered via "the game decides you'll take damage now" and you can't counter that with any amount of autonomy in a meaningful way, that's BAD monster design.
A GOOD difficult monster design would've been AT Nergigante and Lunastra from MHW. Plenty of punishment but also plenty of counterplay.

you havent proven anything, all you have proven is you have a ♥♥♥♥ opinion.

I have proven everything and asked for any amount of evidence to prove me wrong.

You gave me a lie as to why you won't prove me wrong.

[Oni-Lyrics]

No of course not lol Rise was better

[This PC]

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"the game decides you'll take damage now"

I've never experienced this on gore, in fact, I take very little damage, cause you know, I've learned to read it, and when I do, I blame user error. That's how I got good. ;D

[This PC]

İlk olarak Herr Schadenfreude tarafından gönderildi:

I have proven everything and asked for any amount of evidence to prove me wrong.

You gave me a lie as to why you won't prove me wrong.

The fact that you even need proof that something is fun when it is subjective is the problem here. Proving this is irrelevant, cause you'll just disagree with whatever proof whoever puts out. :P

You're allowed to think it's not fun, but why in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ five hells do you need other people to think it's not fun too ? This is a problem mate, your problem.

People are allowed to enjoy the fight rofl, wtf mate :D

[HunterXCooL]

if capcom decided to reduce its wing size or make a better camera option so we can actually see our character then maybe it can become a good fight

[RisEltrut]

Where are those 27 reasons?

[Herr Schadenfreude]

İlk olarak Trost tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Herr Schadenfreude tarafından gönderildi:

I've literally debunked every "reason" so far and given plenty of evidence why it's a BAD fight. "I have fun" doesn't make it a GOOD fight. As I have already PROVEN, the Gore fight is bad. And as I have already admitted, you can have fun with bad fights. See my comments regarding Tigrex and Rajang. When difficulty is administered via "the game decides you'll take damage now" and you can't counter that with any amount of autonomy in a meaningful way, that's BAD monster design.
A GOOD difficult monster design would've been AT Nergigante and Lunastra from MHW. Plenty of punishment but also plenty of counterplay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pis5Xmi0SR4

wow this fight has so many "the game decides you'll take damage now" attacks right???

videogamebutter got caught cheating on more than one occasion

[This PC]

İlk olarak RisEltrut tarafından gönderildi:

Where are those 27 reasons?

the overused cart wheels

[This PC]

İlk olarak Herr Schadenfreude tarafından gönderildi:

videogamebutter got caught cheating on more than one occasion

can you prove he's cheating there tho ? :P

[Trost]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pis5Xmi0SR4

wow this fight has so many "the game decides you'll take damage now" attacks right???

videogamebutter got caught cheating on more than one occasion

regardless watching any speedrunner play against literally any monster should be more than enough to show you the openings in a fight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePPwnade7nI

here's another video that actively shows the player countering and only getting hit a few times

[NiamhNyx]

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you havent proven anything, all you have proven is you have a ♥♥♥♥ opinion.

I have proven everything and asked for any amount of evidence to prove me wrong.

You gave me a lie as to why you won't prove me wrong.

Ohh really, Im lying about my upload speed huh?

https://i.imgur.com/Y2I02Yg.png

Man, that sure is an amazingly fast upload speed right there.


Forgot I can just use artwork to put it on steam. This took about 20 seconds to finish uploading btw.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3442862172

[Reese's]

İlk olarak Herr Schadenfreude tarafından gönderildi:

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A good hammer player will offset 2~3 times easily during any quest lol, it's the most power move ever with it, you haven't proven to me why Gore is ♥♥♥♥, and I have a complete opposite experience. You're the first one who made claims here, burden of proof is on you. I actually play with a hammer dude all the time. :P

You're trying to derail the discussion to save face.

I've literally debunked every "reason" so far and given plenty of evidence why it's a BAD fight. "I have fun" doesn't make it a GOOD fight. As I have already PROVEN, the Gore fight is bad. And as I have already admitted, you can have fun with bad fights. See my comments regarding Tigrex and Rajang. When difficulty is administered via "the game decides you'll take damage now" and you can't counter that with any amount of autonomy in a meaningful way, that's BAD monster design.
A GOOD difficult monster design would've been AT Nergigante and Lunastra from MHW. Plenty of punishment but also plenty of counterplay.

Gore Magala is a monster that forces you to play aggressively against a moveset that can mess you up.
It punishes errors, but rewards aggression. As a counter to that, positioning becomes significantly more important. Most, if not all of its attacks, have significant telegraphs that I can literally point out to you right now.

360 claw, you can see it raising its claw far into the air to attempt to strike down.

Frenzy line attack, you can see it dragging its claw onto the ground as a windup to the blow, and you can also learn that while enraged, it will always follow it up with a delayed explosion and potentially a massive slam.

Massive slam is extremely telegraphed and is dodged by positioning behind it, meaning it incentivizes you to play close (aggression).

Charge attack is telegraphed because it spasms for a moment before running forward, giving more than enough time to position out of the way to dodge, or offset with certain weapons.

The side-to-side charge attack is telegraphed because you see it actively begin the motion for the first slide forward before the attack even begins, giving time to read the movement and position accordingly.

All of the orbs are telegraphed by its neck moving upward and then downward. If it isn't doing this, and you only see one orb fly straight, you can assume the attack is done after only one orb.

Its aerial attacks are more then telegraphed with the orb being the same as above, and the flying slam having it perform a twirl midair before slamming down.

The pin is more than telegraphed, with the hardest thing about it learning how to position inside of it to ensure that you're not being struck by the potential followups while enraged, and reading the difference between the pin and the 360 claw.

The tail swipe + bite combo is telegraphed by a brief moment of movement before a hitbox is created, letting you position away from the tail, and to its side if you can afford to. Also positioning to the side is important in this fight.

The massive horizontal line explosions are telegraphed by it raising its head into the air, and a long sound cue to give time to escape, not to mention the visual one on the ground, too. Moving under it is a great way to get out of the way of this one, too.

If we want to get into cold hard facts, that's a majority of, if not its entire moveset, with obvious tells for which attack its going to perform at any one time, with only some minor differences causing errors.

This is further compounded by a large majority of these attacks properly benefit good positioning, not only allowing for post-move punishment to be inflicted, but also even during the moves (such as the fireballs, explosions, slam, and others allowing you to stay close and be rewarded for knowing how to position around it).

You can counter nearly, if not every single, attack from Gore Magala by utilizing good positioning and reading its myriad tells. If anything, aside from Arkveld, it's probably one of the most telegraphed monsters in the game. The difference is that Arkveld lets you dodge through a majority of them and gives significant downtime between swings. Gore Magala will force you to play its game to position around it, making it an excellent MH fight.

This isn't a Dark Souls boss. This is a Monster Hunter hunt. And with everything else they're doing to make the game more accessible, I'm rather glad to see that one of my all-time favorites was done justice and feels like a proper MH monster.

Also, you saying that Tigrex and Rajang are "bad fights" is a massive self-report.

[Herr Schadenfreude]

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İlk olarak Herr Schadenfreude tarafından gönderildi:

I have proven everything and asked for any amount of evidence to prove me wrong.

You gave me a lie as to why you won't prove me wrong.

The fact that you even need proof that something is fun when it is subjective is the problem here. Proving this is irrelevant, cause you'll just disagree with whatever proof whoever puts out. :P

You're allowed to think it's not fun, but why in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ five hells do you need other people to think it's not fun too ? This is a problem mate, your problem.

People are allowed to enjoy the fight rofl, wtf mate :D

I didn't ask if YOU had fun.

I asked if it's a GOOD fight. If so, WHY do you think it's a good fight?

Do you know what makes a boss fight GOOD?
Variety of attacks
Telegraphed attacks
Ratio of telegraph time vs damage
Counterplay of attacks
Variety of counterplay

So far, both of the most vocal voices counter to mine are Hammer mains. So the counterplay to a boss with 14 different weapons can't just be, "well just play hammer."

[Herr Schadenfreude]

İlk olarak Reese's tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Herr Schadenfreude tarafından gönderildi:

I've literally debunked every "reason" so far and given plenty of evidence why it's a BAD fight. "I have fun" doesn't make it a GOOD fight. As I have already PROVEN, the Gore fight is bad. And as I have already admitted, you can have fun with bad fights. See my comments regarding Tigrex and Rajang. When difficulty is administered via "the game decides you'll take damage now" and you can't counter that with any amount of autonomy in a meaningful way, that's BAD monster design.
A GOOD difficult monster design would've been AT Nergigante and Lunastra from MHW. Plenty of punishment but also plenty of counterplay.

Gore Magala is a monster that forces you to play aggressively against a moveset that can mess you up.
It punishes errors, but rewards aggression. As a counter to that, positioning becomes significantly more important. Most, if not all of its attacks, have significant telegraphs that I can literally point out to you right now.

360 claw, you can see it raising its claw far into the air to attempt to strike down.

Frenzy line attack, you can see it dragging its claw onto the ground as a windup to the blow, and you can also learn that while enraged, it will always follow it up with a delayed explosion and potentially a massive slam.

Massive slam is extremely telegraphed and is dodged by positioning behind it, meaning it incentivizes you to play close (aggression).

Charge attack is telegraphed because it spasms for a moment before running forward, giving more than enough time to position out of the way to dodge, or offset with certain weapons.

The side-to-side charge attack is telegraphed because you see it actively begin the motion for the first slide forward before the attack even begins, giving time to read the movement and position accordingly.

All of the orbs are telegraphed by its neck moving upward and then downward. If it isn't doing this, and you only see one orb fly straight, you can assume the attack is done after only one orb.

Its aerial attacks are more then telegraphed with the orb being the same as above, and the flying slam having it perform a twirl midair before slamming down.

The pin is more than telegraphed, with the hardest thing about it learning how to position inside of it to ensure that you're not being struck by the potential followups while enraged, and reading the difference between the pin and the 360 claw.

The tail swipe + bite combo is telegraphed by a brief moment of movement before a hitbox is created, letting you position away from the tail, and to its side if you can afford to. Also positioning to the side is important in this fight.

The massive horizontal line explosions are telegraphed by it raising its head into the air, and a long sound cue to give time to escape, not to mention the visual one on the ground, too. Moving under it is a great way to get out of the way of this one, too.

If we want to get into cold hard facts, that's a majority of, if not its entire moveset, with obvious tells for which attack its going to perform at any one time, with only some minor differences causing errors.

This is further compounded by a large majority of these attacks properly benefit good positioning, not only allowing for post-move punishment to be inflicted, but also even during the moves (such as the fireballs, explosions, slam, and others allowing you to stay close and be rewarded for knowing how to position around it).

You can counter nearly, if not every single, attack from Gore Magala by utilizing good positioning and reading its myriad tells. If anything, aside from Arkveld, it's probably one of the most telegraphed monsters in the game. The difference is that Arkveld lets you dodge through a majority of them and gives significant downtime between swings. Gore Magala will force you to play its game to position around it, making it an excellent MH fight.

This isn't a Dark Souls boss. This is a Monster Hunter hunt. And with everything else they're doing to make the game more accessible, I'm rather glad to see that one of my all-time favorites was done justice and feels like a proper MH monster.

Also, you saying that Tigrex and Rajang are "bad fights" is a massive self-report.

And the pre- or post- counterplay to any of that is?

Also, do you have any photo or video proof of any of this, or are you just talking out of your ass?