I just kicked someone for posting damage meters

[Tenz]

Was just being chill and playing some online monster hunter. Was hosting these cool two monster hunts and then during one of them some random person posted damage meters in the chat like it was world of warcraft. So I kicked them.

Monster hunter is about having fun and not about being a speed runner.

[Djeeta]

MadScientistSid a écrit :

Remember that you are the one who wants to dictate on how people play the game

You are some old dude who think you have the authority on how people should and can enjoy their product, your way is not the only way.

Some people enjoy the game by staring at NPC's
Some people enjoy the game like you do
Some people enjoy the game by rushing to HR 999 by dooing the same quest for 20 hours a day
Some people enjoy min maxing their builds to the 0.01%
Some people enjoy figthint the same monster over and over again because they enjoy the fight
Some people enjoy collecting every items / equipements / armors

you have no right, or any authority to dictate how people should play the game

No, but your examples, they dont need to hook up 3rd party DLL to do it, they can do it normally by the game standard, with what the game has offered already.
They didnt go out of their way to modify the game data.

[MadScientistSid]

Djeeta a écrit :

MadScientistSid a écrit :

It's weird to say that people can't argue against you when you flat out copy paste legal terms which have no value in court, and also nobody has been banned yet from using the most used mod so far

You're the one who can't argue, you pick extremes, and expect the opposite to comply to you despite having no grounds to stands for

if you want to compare, blitz is illegal to use on marvel rivals, and people who use it are actively beeing banned meanwhile it's legal and acceptable to be used on other games, which all have the same copy pasted text that you pasted on here

As I said, there were no argument and you Parser users are acting so offense when I posted EULA from Capcom here.
At very least, I didnt throw any slur words, I simply copy-paste what Capcom told players not to do.

The last Parser says "... isn't evidence of cheating in a totally different game"
And now you are using another game example.

This is a solid proof that you guys always twisted words around.
I didnt twist any words, my only reason is, its "Prohibited matters" from creator of the game.
There is no comparison, its official information from Capcom.

See, you're the problem no one will ever be able to argue with you because you're unreasonable in your way of thinking

My comparison was to point you that the same third party tool, was a bannable offense from one game to another, and every game have the same EULA.

EULA is unreprensative in court and only serve as a "the company has every right on you" to shutdown any argument and protect them

DPS meter will be cheating if and only if, capcom says it is and ban people from using it, and they've not as far as I'm concerned

Also point out which slurs did I used ?

[Casval Zem Daikun]

Djeeta a écrit :

Bruh, when you dont know how to argue and throw words like "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" and "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" as insulting because you dont have anything better to say.

My points are laid bare and valid regardless of the vocabulary used.
Don't want me to call it a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥? Don't make it look like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Simple as. Regardless, I still addressed your points whereas you can only whine about verbage. Grow. Up.

Djeeta a écrit :

I literally copy-paste from Capcom website, there were no argument and you Parser user take so offense against, what? EULA from Capcom website.

I took no offense. I simply pointed out what it was - vague because it needs to be. If you find offense with that, that's a "you" problem.

Djeeta a écrit :

All I can say to you is you dont understand what "Prohibited matters" means...
Its mean "You are not allow to do these things"

And, again, that language is vague because it needs to be.
If Capcom were to lay out concrete definitions for these things, we'd be able to easily side-step them. Like I said, it's vague language because it needs to be. And, again, your ignorance should be considered "prohibited matters" because it's an affront to the species you claim to share with me.

Djeeta a écrit :

Edited: Its literally on the website...
8.1 When using the Program, users shall not carry out any of the following acts:

There is no Grey Area, they told you to not do it! Bruh...

And yet there is no quote for "scanning the memory on your own machine".
Bruh. You're ignorant of the topics you're arguing. Like I said, I've been a software engineer for over a decade. There's nothing illegal about observing your own memory.

[MadScientistSid]

Djeeta a écrit :

MadScientistSid a écrit :

Remember that you are the one who wants to dictate on how people play the game

You are some old dude who think you have the authority on how people should and can enjoy their product, your way is not the only way.

Some people enjoy the game by staring at NPC's
Some people enjoy the game like you do
Some people enjoy the game by rushing to HR 999 by dooing the same quest for 20 hours a day
Some people enjoy min maxing their builds to the 0.01%
Some people enjoy figthint the same monster over and over again because they enjoy the fight
Some people enjoy collecting every items / equipements / armors

you have no right, or any authority to dictate how people should play the game

No, but your examples, they dont need to hook up 3rd party DLL to do it, they can do it normally by the game standard, with what the game has offered already.
They didnt go out of their way to modify the game data.

Theres way more mods and third party tool that changes NPC's appearance than any other mod that shows dps meters
Theres AHK script out there to automate quests
Min maxing builds require advanced DPS meters

[Djeeta]

MadScientistSid a écrit :

See, you're the problem no one will ever be able to argue with you because you're unreasonable in your way of thinking

My comparison was to point you that the same third party tool, was a bannable offense from one game to another, and every game have the same EULA.

EULA is unreprensative in court and only serve as a "the company has every right on you" to shutdown any argument and protect them

DPS meter will be cheating if and only if, capcom says it is and ban people from using it, and they've not as far as I'm concerned

I would like to express it again that there were no real argument going on.
I just simply copy-paste from Capcom and it state on their terms that these act are "Prohibited matters", its means you are not allow to do it.

Ban is a punishment doesnt mean you need to get ban first for something to become a "Prohibited matters"

MadScientistSid a écrit :

Also point out which slurs did I used ?

No, I said I myself didnt use it.
I didnt say anywhere you use it, but other Parser user clearly did.

[Djeeta]

Casval Zem Daikun a écrit :

I took no offense. I simply pointed out what it was - vague because it needs to be. If you find offense with that, that's a "you" problem.

Took no offense but can't really have a normal conversation without insulting is not really showing.

It was not vague because its directly from Capcom website, your Gray Zone is more vague than official statement in this case because that is just your opinion.
You agreed to Capcom EULA before started the game already, which is not vague.

Casval Zem Daikun a écrit :

And, again, that language is vague because it needs to be.
If Capcom were to lay out concrete definitions for these things, we'd be able to easily side-step them. Like I said, it's vague language because it needs to be. And, again, your ignorance should be considered "prohibited matters" because it's an affront to the species you claim to share with me.

IF "Prohibited matters" from game creator is vague to you, then by all means, I already told you to take it to Capcom and call them out.
Otherwise whatever you says is only your side opinion.
Capcom statement is not side opinion, its a ToS.

Casval Zem Daikun a écrit :

And yet there is no quote for "scanning the memory on your own machine".
Bruh. You're ignorant of the topics you're arguing. Like I said, I've been a software engineer for over a decade. There's nothing illegal about observing your own memory.

You are injecting your Parser DLL to the game, you need to reverse engineer the code to know where to hook it.
How do you injecting DLL without modify, analyzing the source code? Its beyond me.

[MadScientistSid]

Djeeta a écrit :

I would like to express it again that there were no real argument going on.
I just simply copy-paste from Capcom and it state on their terms that these act are "Prohibited matters", its means you are not allow to do it.

Ban is a punishment doesnt mean you need to get ban first for something to become a "Prohibited matters"

I can take another exemple, path of exile also prohibit third party tools in their EULA, but you pretty much can't run the game without at least 2 TPT, they even bought one of the third party tool to make it a part of the game

You do not dictate what is cheating and what is allowed. Capcom does, and copy pasting EULA, has no value in a discution because it's vague legal terms which have no value in the argument. So it is allowed until capcom either communicate (or not) that they'll punish you from using it

MadScientistSid a écrit :

Also point out which slurs did I used ?

Djeeta a écrit :

No, I said I myself didnt use it.
I didnt say anywhere you use it, but other Parser user clearly did.

Then it's irrelevant in your answer, you don't need to tell me that you don't use slurs I don't care

[Djeeta]

MadScientistSid a écrit :

Theres way more mods and third party tool that changes NPC's appearance than any other mod that shows dps meters
Theres AHK script out there to automate quests
Min maxing builds require advanced DPS meters

But you dont go posting other people DPS on the public, which is the OP case why they kicked the Parser.

You may use it but keep quite to yourself.
But it is still a "Prohibited matters", by Capcom word, users shall not carry out any of the following acts...

[Djeeta]

MadScientistSid a écrit :

You do not dictate what is cheating and what is allowed. Capcom does, and copy pasting EULA, has no value in a discution because it's vague legal terms which have no value in the argument. So it is allowed until capcom either communicate (or not) that they'll punish you from using it

No, I dont.
BUT I ALWAYS MENTIONED, that it was from Capcom website it self, you Parser user is the one twisting Capcom words right this moment.

You Parser are the one adamant on calling Capcom ToS vague when its clearly stated that it is a "Prohibited matters" and "users shall not carry out any of the following acts..."

[MadScientistSid]

Djeeta a écrit :

MadScientistSid a écrit :

Theres way more mods and third party tool that changes NPC's appearance than any other mod that shows dps meters
Theres AHK script out there to automate quests
Min maxing builds require advanced DPS meters

But you dont go posting other people DPS on the public, which is the OP case why they kicked the Parser.

Has the user been banned from dooing it ?

AFAIK they are allowed to post the logs, just like OP is allowed to kick them out for dooing so

Djeeta a écrit :

You may use it but keep quite to yourself.
But it is still a "Prohibited matters", by Capcom word, users shall not carry out any of the following acts...

So now it's allowed but you have to keep it for yourself ?

[Djeeta]

MadScientistSid a écrit :

Has the user been banned from dooing it ?

AFAIK they are allowed to post the logs, just like OP is allowed to kick them out for dooing so

Again, its in the EULA, I already posted all information you needed.

Djeeta a écrit :

You may use it but keep quite to yourself.
But it is still a "Prohibited matters", by Capcom word, users shall not carry out any of the following acts...

MadScientistSid a écrit :

So now it's allowed but you have to keep it for yourself ?

Clearly you Parser really dont understand "Prohibited matters"
I didnt say allow anywhere, I said you may use it, doesnt mean its not "Prohibited"

[MadScientistSid]

Djeeta a écrit :

MadScientistSid a écrit :

Has the user been banned from dooing it ?

AFAIK they are allowed to post the logs, just like OP is allowed to kick them out for dooing so

Again, its in the EULA, I already posted all information you needed.

And EULA is irelevant in this topic. Windows and Steam are third party tool, you might aswell delete them before you play the game then ?

Djeeta a écrit :

You may use it but keep quite to yourself.
But it is still a "Prohibited matters", by Capcom word, users shall not carry out any of the following acts...

MadScientistSid a écrit :

So now it's allowed but you have to keep it for yourself ?

Clearly you Parser really dont understand "Prohibited matters"
I didnt say allow anywhere, I said you may use it, doesnt mean its not "Prohibited"

You said "you may use it but keep it for yourself" don't tell me it's prohibited then say that we may use it

Anyway, I'm done talking with you, you purposefuly ignore any argument used against you and you ignore the subject you're discussing, you're only aiming at dooing "gotcha moment" while beeing completly out of touch and wrong

[Djeeta]

MadScientistSid a écrit :

And EULA is irelevant in this topic. Windows and Steam are third party tool, you might aswell delete them before you play the game then ?

Djeeta a écrit :

You may use it but keep quite to yourself.
But it is still a "Prohibited matters", by Capcom word, users shall not carry out any of the following acts...


Clearly you Parser really dont understand "Prohibited matters"
I didnt say allow anywhere, I said you may use it, doesnt mean its not "Prohibited"

You said "you may use it but keep it for yourself" don't tell me it's prohibited then say that we may use it

Like, you may try to smuggle things into Europe, it is prohibited, but as long as you dont get caught.
In the end doesnt mean its not wrong, as Capcom stated, it is still "Prohibited Matters"

MadScientistSid a écrit :

Anyway, I'm done talking with you, you purposefuly ignore any argument used against you and you ignore the subject you're discussing, you're only aiming at dooing "gotcha moment" while beeing completly out of touch and wrong

Then it's irrelevant in your answer, you don't need to tell me that I don't really care.

[Casval Zem Daikun]

Djeeta a écrit :

You are the one that dont know anything.
MH Wild actually have a soft anti-tampering, its try to fix the values if you revise values while you are playing,

Again, ignorance.
Memory scanning doesn't involve fixing values.

Djeeta a écrit :

because any mods as you said need DLL injection first to the game to works, most common one is REframework (there is CN one too), you are injecting the game so it doesnt fix the values itself.

Again, ignorance.
DLL injection doesn't involve "fixing" values.

Djeeta a écrit :

Your parser is after you injected the game,

Again, ignorance.
I can do this through Cheat Engine or any application, including one I write myself, that observes memory values. There's not "fixing values" in reading values.

Djeeta a écrit :

there is literally no way you can just scan the memory and boom its works,

I can. Read != Write.
Again, ignorance.

Djeeta a écrit :

otherwise Cheat Engine would just works normally on Monster hunter Wild without DLL injection.

It currently does.
Please, put your ignorance on display for us all to laugh at.

[Djeeta]

Casval Zem Daikun a écrit :

Djeeta a écrit :

You are the one that dont know anything.
MH Wild actually have a soft anti-tampering, its try to fix the values if you revise values while you are playing,

Again, ignorance.
Memory scanning doesn't involve fixing values.

Djeeta a écrit :

because any mods as you said need DLL injection first to the game to works, most common one is REframework (there is CN one too), you are injecting the game so it doesnt fix the values itself.

Again, ignorance.
DLL injection doesn't involve "fixing" values.

Djeeta a écrit :

Your parser is after you injected the game,

Again, ignorance.
I can do this through Cheat Engine or any application, including one I write myself, that observes memory values. There's not "fixing values" in reading values.

Djeeta a écrit :

there is literally no way you can just scan the memory and boom its works,

I can. Read != Write.
Again, ignorance.

Djeeta a écrit :

otherwise Cheat Engine would just works normally on Monster hunter Wild without DLL injection.

It currently does.
Please, put your ignorance on display for us all to laugh at.

You must be a super hacker then, since even on Cheat Engine website, they need DLL injection and a lot of values are "encrypted"
Nexus mod need it.
CN website CE need it.

You just get a blackscreen if you try to mod this game without inject dinput8.dll

What a liar, people can google a few seconds and see how much you just speaking out of your arse.
But I guess thats all Parser did, twisted words.