Weapon Tier List - (based on dps and speedrun times)

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S . Gunlance / Charge Blade / Insect Glaive
A . Long Sword / Sword & Shield
B . Lance / GreatSword
C . Dual Blades / Bow
D . HBG / LBG / Switch Axe
F . Hammer / Hunting Horn

**Edited for new times**
These will likely change almost daily so dont get salty cause your favourite weapon is trash tier.

[Schmoseph]

Queen Rapier S&S is kind of nuts when paired with Foray.

[Mister Cebion]

why are ppl even mad?
i am a hammer main and i do unsrstand that this weapon isnt a speedrun weapon.

speedruns aint equal to normal gameplay and thats in every game so...

If you play this gamne normal there are more forgiving weapons than others and thats it. So for 99.9% the META speedrun weapon shouldnt be a concern

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Mister Cebion původně napsal:

why are ppl even mad?
i am a hammer main and i do unsrstand that this weapon isnt a speedrun weapon.

speedruns aint equal to normal gameplay and thats in every game so...

If you play this gamne normal there are more forgiving weapons than others and thats it. So for 99.9% the META speedrun weapon shouldnt be a concern

cause they cant handle the idea their precious pixels do less number than some other pixels.

[Sai]

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Cool list with zero evidence.

we have a list of speedrun times, and dps meters?
In the future think before type.

Don't see it in the post. More cool words with no evidence.

[Nyxtus]

Mister Cebion původně napsal:

why are ppl even mad?
i am a hammer main and i do unsrstand that this weapon isnt a speedrun weapon.

speedruns aint equal to normal gameplay and thats in every game so...

If you play this gamne normal there are more forgiving weapons than others and thats it. So for 99.9% the META speedrun weapon shouldnt be a concern

People are mad because balance is a genuine issue. Have you seen the clear speeds for the top weapons versus hammer? It's not a matter if a little less damage, or slightly faster hunts. It's a matter of MUCH slower hunts for the lower tier weapons.

In a game about hunting monsters, ESPECIALLY with Wilds' difficulty as of now, the fantasy of feeling powerful is a thing. Not only that but hammer has some serious disadvantages from a design perspective that is supposed to reward it. The head of a monster is the most dangerous part to go after because it means you're consistently in the monsters' zone of danger.

If a weapon that has to be in the face of a monster constantly do do good damage (And do KO's which isn't even hammers' niche anymore, hilariously) then all it is, is risk. Not risk vs reward, just risk for no reward.

Look, I understand that every weapon won't be perfectly balanced. The series has had massive issues with balancing. Gunlance is great now, and that's awesome, but people need to stop pretending that weapon balance shouldn't matter or be important to anyone. If a weapon like hammer is literally last or second to last place with its design philosophy that's an issue. And taking several minutes longer to hunt anything isn't fun.

Your argument about speedruns is invalid. Hammer is literally one of the least forgiving weapons and it's the worst. That's a design problem.

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Sai původně napsal:

Fast původně napsal:

we have a list of speedrun times, and dps meters?
In the future think before type.

Don't see it in the post. More cool words with no evidence.

So dont believe it, i dont care, someone posted it in here anyway.

Believe what you want, maybe in your world Hunting Horn is the strongest weapon.

[Gill]

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I use a gunlance and have since the day it was introduced in the PSP days and didn't even have the big booms or stake. By your logic I should accept the spoon-fed nonsense you're pushing.

I am not trying to recreate anything. You just don't know how to play monster hunter if the only thing you care about is how long it takes to down something. No wonder this forum is filled with people arguing about captures and part acquisition.

You guys don't seem to know know what the hell you're doing, if I'm being blunt.

in what world, is killing something fastest and that has the highest potential dps not the most important metrics for knowing whats best?

If the thing is dead and the only thing that changes how quick it gets there is the max possible dps. Thats all that matters

Bro you are living in some alternative reality.

And you're going to be one of the hunters people don't want to group with.

DPS isn't the only metric for what's best. "Best" depends on what you're doing. If you're chasing tail carves you don't pack gunlances. You know how you can gurantee fast tail carves? Keep it stunned with a hammer\horn\SnS and have a longsword lop it off in a few hits.

Or you can melt it quick and get three measly carves while hoping RNG is with you and grind 12 of them and ironically take longer in the process.

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Gill původně napsal:

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in what world, is killing something fastest and that has the highest potential dps not the most important metrics for knowing whats best?

If the thing is dead and the only thing that changes how quick it gets there is the max possible dps. Thats all that matters

Bro you are living in some alternative reality.

And you're going to be one of the hunters people don't want to group with.

DPS isn't the only metric for what's best. "Best" depends on what you're doing. If you're chasing tail carves you don't pack gunlances. You know how you can gurantee fast tail carves? Keep it stunned with a hammer\horn\SnS and have a longsword lop it off in a few hits.

Or you can melt it quick and get three measly carves while hoping RNG is with you and grind 12 of them and ironically take longer in the process.

So you don't know what you are doing.
You can cut a tail off tempered arkveld in less than 60 seconds of fifht starting with gunlance.
If you want gems it's all captures anyway. If you want to break parts gunlace is unironically one of the best part breakers especially because GL can easily slot part breaker 3 and has some of the highest wound damage.

Charge blade is in a similar spot as is IG.

Hammer doesn't provide anything that you can't get else where. Stunned locked and stagger thresholds are so low you can perma lock down any monster to cut or break as needed with any weapon and do more damage.

[Nyxtus]

Gill původně napsal:

Fast původně napsal:

in what world, is killing something fastest and that has the highest potential dps not the most important metrics for knowing whats best?

If the thing is dead and the only thing that changes how quick it gets there is the max possible dps. Thats all that matters

Bro you are living in some alternative reality.

And you're going to be one of the hunters people don't want to group with.

DPS isn't the only metric for what's best. "Best" depends on what you're doing. If you're chasing tail carves you don't pack gunlances. You know how you can gurantee fast tail carves? Keep it stunned with a hammer\horn\SnS and have a longsword lop it off in a few hits.

Or you can melt it quick and get three measly carves while hoping RNG is with you and grind 12 of them and ironically take longer in the process.

Your yapping is taking away from actual discussion. Say less.

[Gill]

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Gill původně napsal:

And you're going to be one of the hunters people don't want to group with.

DPS isn't the only metric for what's best. "Best" depends on what you're doing. If you're chasing tail carves you don't pack gunlances. You know how you can gurantee fast tail carves? Keep it stunned with a hammer\horn\SnS and have a longsword lop it off in a few hits.

Or you can melt it quick and get three measly carves while hoping RNG is with you and grind 12 of them and ironically take longer in the process.

So you don't know what you are doing.
You can cut a tail off tempered arkveld in less than 60 seconds of fifht starting with gunlance.
If you want gems it's all captures anyway. If you want to break parts gunlace is unironically one of the best part breakers especially because GL can easily slot part breaker 3 and has some of the highest wound damage.

Charge blade is in a similar spot as is IG.

Hammer doesn't provide anything that you can't get else where. Stunned locked and stagger thresholds are so low you can perma lock down any monster to cut or break as needed with any weapon and do more damage.

And it'd be 10 seconds with a similarly placed and skilled LS. Everything has a place. If you want to make the game (hell the whole franchise) unnecessarily tedious for yourself, do exactly what you're suggesting.

[Gill]

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Gill původně napsal:

And you're going to be one of the hunters people don't want to group with.

DPS isn't the only metric for what's best. "Best" depends on what you're doing. If you're chasing tail carves you don't pack gunlances. You know how you can gurantee fast tail carves? Keep it stunned with a hammer\horn\SnS and have a longsword lop it off in a few hits.

Or you can melt it quick and get three measly carves while hoping RNG is with you and grind 12 of them and ironically take longer in the process.

Your yapping is taking away from actual discussion. Say less.

There is no discussion. This isn't a series of DPS checks.

This guy is going to be relying on carries a LOT for actually getting materials.

[Nyxtus]

Gill původně napsal:

Nyxtus původně napsal:

Your yapping is taking away from actual discussion. Say less.

There is no discussion. This isn't a series of DPS checks.

This guy is going to be relying on carries a LOT for actually getting materials.

With all due respect, I think the last person we should listen to about video game design is a former Star Citizen dev.

[Gill]

Nyxtus původně napsal:

Gill původně napsal:

There is no discussion. This isn't a series of DPS checks.

This guy is going to be relying on carries a LOT for actually getting materials.

With all due respect, I think the last person we should listen to about video game design is a former Star Citizen dev.

My man you don't even own the game. Hush it up.

[Fluffy Monster Thing]

Nyxtus původně napsal:

Gill původně napsal:

There is no discussion. This isn't a series of DPS checks.

This guy is going to be relying on carries a LOT for actually getting materials.

With all due respect, I think the last person we should listen to about video game design is a former Star Citizen dev.

If anything, getting fired by Chris Roberts means you had too many good ideas.

[Sai]

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Sai původně napsal:

Don't see it in the post. More cool words with no evidence.

So dont believe it, i dont care, someone posted it in here anyway.

Believe what you want, maybe in your world Hunting Horn is the strongest weapon.

No in my world people just back claims up with real facts and evidence not personal insults and spewing more nonsense. Yes, I saw someone else posted information you should provide before comparing a "DPS only" tier list. Which is extremely weird in a game with more than just DPS numbers, utility is quite important in Hunting.

But sure, I will "believe what I want" from my 100s of hours of experience and actual data, rather than a number list someone provides with no actual reasoning behind it until 50+ posts later in the discussion where they say what they actually did.

Cool story.