Spoiler warning: OMG I hate Nata's story so much

[MadeofSand]

Don't get me wrong guys, I love the game but the story in wilds went from decent to absolute ASS.

It's a shame because the story had some really good ideas like for example artificial monsters that were created long ago during a time of war, nature adapting to these new monsters and creating new monsters that prey on these artificial monsters.

But what pisses me off is the out of no where sympathetic spiritual connection that nata and the rest of the crew just follows along.

Nata's character took a straight nose dive, at first you rightfully feel bad for him because Arkveld attacked his village and separated him from his family. But as we get to his village and learn more about the keepers and Arkveld, Nata somehow gets this idea that Arkveld is just like him. WTF did that come from.

Nata is 13 year old child that has lived in a bubble community most of life and just discovered that there are different civilizations and cultures for the first time. Arkveld is an artificial creature, the last of it's kind, that evolved past it's initial purpose and is acting on it's natural instinct as a monster trying to survive. They are NOT the same.

You're telling me Nata feels more empathy for a man-made bio-weapon than the people arkveld killed without hesitation. WTF do you mean you don't want me to kill the monster that is threatening the entire ecosystem and the people you love.

Screw Nata and this new crew for encouraging his naive mentality. I don't even want to begin to talk about the crews stupid decision on how to deal with Zou Shou.

[The Debauchery]

Автор сообщения: MadeofSand

Don't get me wrong guys, I love the game but the story in wilds went from decent to absolute ASS.

Honestly I thought it was more the other way around. I HATED him from the start... but I just sorta warmed up to him later. Now I'm in High Rank I don't even mind him. Little dude there with leather armour and a knife. I've basically stopped hating him now he looks like a little hunter.

It's a shame because the story had some really good ideas like for example artificial monsters that were created long ago during a time of war, nature adapting to these new monsters and creating new monsters that prey on these artificial monsters.

I'll be honest... I like a lot of the new monster designs, and I don't mind the ideas behind them... though technically speaking anything that has to be killed due to being a major threat to the ecosystem tends to get classified as an Elder Dragon in most other MH games..... except Deviljho, I guess.

Nata's character took a straight nose dive, at first you rightfully feel bad for him because Arkveld attacked his village and separated him from his family. But as we get to his village and learn more about the keepers and Arkveld, Nata somehow gets this idea that Arkveld is just like him. WTF did that come from.

Yeah to the last part, no to the first part.
I hated him at the start because he was just a mewling weakling.
Later on he was actually thinking things through, even if he drew entirely the wrong conclusions. We should have just had the option to explain to him that he was projecting and falsely applying anthropic bias to the monsters. Dangers of empathy, I guess. Kids gotta be taught that you can't just go around treating non-sophont species as people. Some of them WILL eat you and they just don't care.
Save the anthropomorphising for the Felynes. The poor kitties don't get enough respect despite being actual sophonts.

You're telling me Nata feels more empathy for a man-made bio-weapon than the people arkveld killed without hesitation. WTF do you mean you don't want me to kill the monster that is threatening the entire ecosystem and the people you love.

Well sure. It happens right now in front of him, as opposed to things that happened apparently years ago. Empathy is just like that. He needs to suppress his empathy and actually think things through. Reason, not emotion, is the key to making things better.

Screw Nata and this new crew for encouraging his naive mentality. I don't even want to begin to talk about the crews stupid decision on how to deal with Zou Shou.

Yeah. Not sure where they got the idea that the entire system had to be shut down from.
Thank fŭck our hunter stepped in at the end and went "Y'know what? We don't have to turn the power off. This problem can be solved with violence!"...

[MadeofSand]

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Автор сообщения: Black Lamb, Rock Enjoyer

Im gonna say it. Some people might not like it, but that whole spiel was like...bonafide woke dialogue. It actually made no sense, even though I agreed with Nata for the wrong reasons (I wanna see it transform but guess we have to wait for the expansion/drip feed content...)

fellas is it woke to see the impact of your families actions and feel responsible for them?

wild take lmao

There are much better ways to tell that story and this was not it. Heck, if we want to go that route then Nata should want arkveld to be slain and put an end to the guardians like zou shou because these creatures are world-ending weapons .

[zero]

Автор сообщения: MadeofSand

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fellas is it woke to see the impact of your families actions and feel responsible for them?

wild take lmao

There are much better ways to tell that story and this was not it. Heck, if we want to go that route then Nata should want arkveld to be slain and put an end to the guardians like zou shou because these creatures are world-ending weapons .

he is a child who has seen that the creature he feels at fault for is finally breaking free of his chains, he goes about it the wrong way, no doubt, but it makes sense for him to wish it to actually live, not thinking about the bigger picture.

[Shadowfox]

Автор сообщения: MadeofSand

Автор сообщения: Lycaon1765

You keep ignoring the point: He is being dumb, and that's annoying. The meaning behind what he's doing doesn't change the outcome of him coming off as annoying. Media literacy won't change that for people.

Also smh, now "media literacy" is becoming another insult phrase that's overused into meaninglessness. I hate it when people do this; now no one takes the term "gaslighting" seriously, people call any woman they don't like a "pick me", and people call married men with kids "incels" because misogynist isn't a brainrot-word insult. Trying to seem smart by shouting "U NO MEDIA LITERACY!!" is cringe. This isn't a situation of missing the point of the text because the point of the text doesn't matter here and wouldn't change people's feelings. I know why Nata is the way he is but he's still a stupid little ♥♥♥♥ and the adults are committing child endangerment by letting him tag along to everything even after they find his home and people.

Omg Thank you! People here don't seem to understand that it does not matter why Nata feels the way he does toward Arkvald because it's still stupid. Nata's entire thought process is based on an assumption that he understands the feelings of a wild animal that has gone insane.

oh yes cause this games all about logic like how dare any illogical ♥♥♥♥ like empathising with an animal in my totally grounded monster hunter game.
says the person who gets irrationally mad about a child existing and for having a bad take (bad take in your opinion).

[Lycaon1765]

Автор сообщения: zero

a lot of characters in games are annoying, notice how the only time people make threads its either a woman or a child.

The only characters that I've seen called annoying so far have been either Alma or Nata, who are also the characters you spend the most time with and thus the most likely to rub people the wrong way and be top of mind for posting about. You barely interact with Werner or Erik and so their moments of annoyance and chances for them having one at all are much lower. I just forget Werner even exists until I'm reminded when I need to talk to him for a quest or he happens to be there in a cutscene. And he's kinda made to be annoying on purpose (Him forgetting everyone's names because they're "unimportant details" for example), but he's barely around. Erik had a stupid moment of getting lost in the forest and then one of being so enthralled he didn't hear Olivia tell him to get back. That's like literally it and those are the only other possible characters I can see folks finding annoying (that I can think of off the top of my head). They are barely around.

While I know this is a phenomena that is common towards women of being found either annoying or weak (I just watched a video recently on the topic by a psychologist), and I know gamers are oftentimes particularly bigoted people; I don't like it when people immediately jump to "it's ___ism!" when it's clearly just happenstance of the characters you're around most getting named. It waters down any accusations of sexism in more serious situations because it makes it come off as a kneejerk reaction or like how those leftist youtubers say "capitalism did this" for literally every situation or problem. Making people take it less seriously.

Автор сообщения: zero

your response shows the point though cause it *is* a media literacy thing to actually understand more then surface level literal statements, which hey, look at this thread, people have failed to do.

I see your "media literacy" and raise you my "you have no reading comprehension because you clearly didn't understand what I wrote." Your line here implies I said that to "actually understand more then surface level literal statements" *wasn't* a "media literacy thing", which, I literally didn't say. I said that understanding WHY Nata says what he says, does what he does, and what the writers were trying to do and say with his arc, *doesn't matter* in THIS context of THIS conversation. This is a conversation of "I think Nata is annoying because he acts dumb/says dumb things", that is a subjective opinion about how this character rubbed them the wrong way. And it is true that he is acting dumb and says dumb things. But telling someone WHY he is like that isn't really going to change how the character made them feel (most of the time; making exceptions for the "mean rich girl with bad parents" trope). So saying "oh you clearly didn't pay attention to the story/can't understand it beyond surface level takes" is tantamount to a non-sequitur, because it's just as irrelevant to the point at hand.

[Lycaon1765]

Автор сообщения: MegaClaus

Bro I didn't even followed the story. I was busy staring at Alma and Gemma while also hunting monsters and make drip out of them. 😌

Based. Wish I could wife Alma. She's the best.

[zero]

Автор сообщения: Lycaon1765

snip cause wall.

the fact that you are ignoring the fact that you had to provde context in your orginal post to provide additional context that people very much ignores shows that you seem to understand that media literacy is lacking, but you hate that i specifically called it that lmao.

the child being dumb and saying dumb things is obvious: its a child, it does not warrant a thread unless people are, to no surprise, worked up over a child in a video game.

[Forte]

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Автор сообщения: Lycaon1765

snip cause wall.

the fact that you are ignoring the fact that you had to provde context in your orginal post to provide additional context that people very much ignores shows that you seem to understand that media literacy is lacking, but you hate that i specifically called it that lmao.

the child being dumb and saying dumb things is obvious: its a child, it does not warrant a thread unless people are, to no surprise, worked up over a child in a video game.

To be fair. It isn't a child. It's a poorly written character in an un-optimized video game. Unless they meant to make an annoying character, then kudos.

[zero]

Автор сообщения: Forte

Автор сообщения: zero

the fact that you are ignoring the fact that you had to provde context in your orginal post to provide additional context that people very much ignores shows that you seem to understand that media literacy is lacking, but you hate that i specifically called it that lmao.

the child being dumb and saying dumb things is obvious: its a child, it does not warrant a thread unless people are, to no surprise, worked up over a child in a video game.

To be fair. It isn't a child. It's a poorly written character in an un-optimized video game. Unless they meant to make an annoying character, then kudos.

it is written as a naive child with no real understanding of the outside world, let alone his history, and well, fills that role quite aptly, and it used to explain to players the fundamental role the guild plays in the setting, as an environmental balancer, while also telling his own story arc.

the story isn't exactly complex, its quite simple really, but it doesn't really have many issues in terms of delivering it.

and like i said, perfectly normal to find characters annoying in video games, there are thousands of characters like that, very strange to complain about them though, especially when the thing they find annoying is "the child is acting like a child" lmao

[MadeofSand]

Автор сообщения: Shadowfox

Автор сообщения: MadeofSand

Omg Thank you! People here don't seem to understand that it does not matter why Nata feels the way he does toward Arkvald because it's still stupid. Nata's entire thought process is based on an assumption that he understands the feelings of a wild animal that has gone insane.

oh yes cause this games all about logic like how dare any illogical ♥♥♥♥ like empathising with an animal in my totally grounded monster hunter game.
says the person who gets irrationally mad about a child existing and for having a bad take (bad take in your opinion).

ok, then let Arkveld and Zou Shou destroy everything because Nata feels ending the life of a dangerous creature he somehow bonded with is wrong.

[Lycaon1765]

Автор сообщения: zero

Автор сообщения: Lycaon1765

snip cause wall.

the fact that you are ignoring the fact that you had to provde context in your orginal post to provide additional context that people very much ignores shows that you seem to understand that media literacy is lacking, but you hate that i specifically called it that lmao.

the child being dumb and saying dumb things is obvious: its a child, it does not warrant a thread unless people are, to no surprise, worked up over a child in a video game.

Media literacy is lacking everywhere in our society today, but that doesn't matter here. I've restated my point to you already, others have as well, but it seems you keep wanting to ignore it in favor of """""winning""""" the argument and looking like you """""owned""""" someone.

[zero]

Автор сообщения: Lycaon1765

Автор сообщения: zero

the fact that you are ignoring the fact that you had to provde context in your orginal post to provide additional context that people very much ignores shows that you seem to understand that media literacy is lacking, but you hate that i specifically called it that lmao.

the child being dumb and saying dumb things is obvious: its a child, it does not warrant a thread unless people are, to no surprise, worked up over a child in a video game.

Media literacy is lacking everywhere in our society today, but that doesn't matter here. I've restated my point to you already, others have as well, but it seems you keep wanting to ignore it in favor of """""winning""""" the argument and looking like you """""owned""""" someone.

i mean it very much goes into what i was saying to you, so:

Автор сообщения: zero

Автор сообщения: Lycaon1765

No I could tell all of this, it was actually fairly obvious (At the end he literally states "It just wanted to be free! Like me!" (paraphrasing), which, it gets no more "surface level" than the story literally telling you the moral). He was still annoying though. Knowing the reasons why he is annoying doesn't change him being annoying and it being very dumb that all these adults are letting a 12 year old follow them and becoming a liability that must be protected against the 300 ton behemoths we're fighting.

the thing is: people aren't even getting to that stage, where they see the "like me" part, they are seeing "arkveld is finally making a choice for itself" and thats it, they only see "kid is saying something dumb" without even thinking about the truly minimalist media literacy it would take to see how it pertains to him and his entire community.

and then they come here to complain, no realizing the bare bones deeper meaning they could be seeing.

which, as per always comes back to: wild to get this worked up over a child in a video game lol

if you take it personally, thats on you, but people are very much not reaching the "like me" stage, and it shows, and that is media literacy, no idea why you hearing that made you take everything i said personally, but that will always say more about you then me.

so have fun "winning" and "owned" or w/e my dude, those are things you're thinking about not me.

[Oku]

Автор сообщения: Lycaon1765

Автор сообщения: zero

the thing is: people aren't even getting to that stage, where they see the "like me" part, they are seeing "arkveld is finally making a choice for itself" and thats it, they only see "kid is saying something dumb" without even thinking about the truly minimalist media literacy it would take to see how it pertains to him and his entire community.

and then they come here to complain, no realizing the bare bones deeper meaning they could be seeing.

which, as per always comes back to: wild to get this worked up over a child in a video game lol

You keep ignoring the point: He is being dumb, and that's annoying. The meaning behind what he's doing doesn't change the outcome of him coming off as annoying. Media literacy won't change that for people.

Also smh, now "media literacy" is becoming another insult phrase that's overused into meaninglessness. I hate it when people do this; now no one takes the term "gaslighting" seriously, people call any woman they don't like a "pick me", and people call married men with kids "incels" because misogynist isn't a brainrot-word insult. Trying to seem smart by shouting "U NO MEDIA LITERACY!!" is cringe. This isn't a situation of missing the point of the text because the point of the text doesn't matter here and wouldn't change people's feelings. I know why Nata is the way he is but he's still a stupid little ♥♥♥♥ and the adults are committing child endangerment by letting him tag along to everything even after they find his home and people.

If it isn't a situation of missing the point of what's going on then you're just being ridiculous and whining for the sake of whining.

"waaah he's annoying" he's a traumatized child and your whining about it is infinitely more annoying than anything he has ever said or done in the game.

Grow up and get over it.

[Oku]

Автор сообщения: MadeofSand

Автор сообщения: Shadowfox

oh yes cause this games all about logic like how dare any illogical ♥♥♥♥ like empathising with an animal in my totally grounded monster hunter game.
says the person who gets irrationally mad about a child existing and for having a bad take (bad take in your opinion).

ok, then let Arkveld and Zou Shou destroy everything because Nata feels ending the life of a dangerous creature he somehow bonded with is wrong.

And he is pulled away while the Hunter does what needs to be done to uphold ecological balance, and Nata later learns from it and understands why it was done.

He's becoming a Hunter and learning what it means to carry out the Guild's mission.

That's character development.

You are literally whining and malding about an ignorant and emotional child having character development as he learns that things are not always as they seem and that hard decisions have to be made for the sake of others even if you feel that decision is morally wrong.

Like I said earlier in the thread, you people are just incapable of reading anything beyond surface level because all you want to do is whine for the sake of whining.

[RoosterSuplex]

just capture the beast and backhand nata for speaking out of place