Nice GPU Upgrade from a RTX 3060 / R 7-5800x ?

[Oldboylol]

Hellou. I'm not super hard into hardware and stuff so the Title pretty much says it.

My Specs: RTX 3060 (12gb vram), Ryzen 7 5800X. - i play on 1080p,

I basically want to upgrade for MH wilds and also future titles. planning to stay at 1080p but maybe 1440p would be an option ? i also want to make sure there is no mayor Bottleneck between CPU and GPU which i know nothing about.

budget is around 600 buckeroo's maybe 700 max. im happy for any suggestions. thx in advance

[Mythily]

Originally posted by del_bosque_dol:

The real questions are 4060 and 4060ti, both of which seems really underperforming.

That's because they are. Nvidia explicitly said that those two are 1080p cards. Even then I would say they are barely managing to reach those expectations. The 4060 cards were condemned by reviewers for that reason.

[del_bosque_dol]

Originally posted by Mythily:

1440p is going to be a no with that budget. A CPU upgrade in your case means getting a new mobo as well which is 200 bucks for a decent one and another 300 for the cpu.
I'm hesitant to recommend the 7800x3d because it is still quite expensive. Even the new gen non x3d CPUs are cheaper, like the 9700X. On the intel side, 14600K is a good option.
It only leaves you with 300 for a new GPU which nowadays gets you not much better than "a waste of silicon".

Yes 9700x and 7700x outperforms AM4 CPUs easily. But requiring to upgrade the mother board and memory, both of which I personally do believe enhancing the performance or later uses, but costing is costing. It is the same questio for 4070ti super, which is the best 1440p GPU in my opinion but it does cost and still overpriced.

9070xt will change that.

[del_bosque_dol]

Originally posted by Mythily:

Originally posted by del_bosque_dol:

The real questions are 4060 and 4060ti, both of which seems really underperforming.

That's because they are. Nvidia explicitly said that those two are 1080p cards. Even then I would say they are barely managing to reach those expectations. The 4060 cards were condemned by reviewers for that reason.

And I have seen far too many people complaining about 4060 and 4060ti cannot play 1440p gaming, and I addressed that 8gb vram should be criminalized.

I wrote exactly what those things really are designed to perform. dlss 4 hype, maybe?

[Niczu]

Originally posted by del_bosque_dol:

Originally posted by Niczu:

Without framegen
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3422117028

With framegen
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3422117402

oh yeah 4070ti super such a great piece you have. But I somewhat believe, you will even get better results after the release.

4070super is also capable for 1440p gaming with 5800x3d.

The real questions are 4060 and 4060ti, both of which seems really underperforming.

I will definitely tune some settings that I see not that necessary for myself, so full ultra is not what I plan to play on. And hopefully post launch patches improve the performance even more.

5800X3D is obviously still very good, that is if you have one or can find one for a decent price (used perhaps).

[Niczu]

Originally posted by DeadJericho:

Originally posted by Niczu:

The problem with that CPU is that its availability has been really rough in past months due it being discontinued. Even if you can find one its probably going to be way overpriced.

5700X3D on the other hand is a much reasonable option for those who are still on AM4 platform. Its a bit weaker than 5800X3D but not all that much. Not sure if upgrading either of these make sense for OP though since they have 5800X. Probably better to use it until platform change.

interesting your framegen results.
when i used framegen i got lower fps on average.
you would think it would double the fps upto my fps cap (set as 117fps in nvidia control panel for gsync purposes) but it got nowhere near that, often being 10fps lower than without fg on

Hmm yeah, thats quite odd. I'm not really that tech savvy to be able to give a solid answer to that. :D

[Mythily]

Originally posted by Niczu:

Hmm yeah, thats quite odd. I'm not really that tech savvy to be able to give a solid answer to that. :D

It increases VRAM usage so if you're already capping out, it is pointless to use FG.

[DeadJericho]

Originally posted by Mythily:

Originally posted by Niczu:

Hmm yeah, thats quite odd. I'm not really that tech savvy to be able to give a solid answer to that. :D

It increases VRAM usage so if you're already capping out, it is pointless to use FG.

i dont think it was a vram over budget. unless the ingame vram usage indicator doesnt work correctly.
it said i was 9gb out of 11.8gb used.

[Oldboylol]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3422128990 maybe i should add this for context: DLSS was on Performance, lowest dips was around 40-45fps

[del_bosque_dol]

Originally posted by Mythily:

Originally posted by Niczu:

Hmm yeah, thats quite odd. I'm not really that tech savvy to be able to give a solid answer to that. :D

It increases VRAM usage so if you're already capping out, it is pointless to use FG.

It is pointless to use FG, but 4060 is required to use in order to perform 1080p 60fps.

There are too many contradictions, and I can telll all the underperformed nvidia GPU specially those 3060, 3060ti, 3070, 4060, or 4060ti users to wait, until you will get a game ready driver.

[del_bosque_dol]

Originally posted by DeadJericho:

Originally posted by Niczu:

The problem with that CPU is that its availability has been really rough in past months due it being discontinued. Even if you can find one its probably going to be way overpriced.

5700X3D on the other hand is a much reasonable option for those who are still on AM4 platform. Its a bit weaker than 5800X3D but not all that much. Not sure if upgrading either of these make sense for OP though since they have 5800X. Probably better to use it until platform change.

yeah i agree the 5700x3d would be good.
the v cache makes the difference really.

but im sticking with my 5700x personally. i feel it still has legs.
op has a 5800x which should still be good when paired with a 4070/ti/super etc

interesting your framegen results.
when i used framegen i got lower fps on average.
you would think it would double the fps upto my fps cap (set as 117fps in nvidia control panel for gsync purposes) but it got nowhere near that, often being 10fps lower than without fg on

It does cost $1500 for a 4070ti super. Retail price is crazy.

[Oldboylol]

Originally posted by del_bosque_dol:

Originally posted by Mythily:

It increases VRAM usage so if you're already capping out, it is pointless to use FG.

It is pointless to use FG, but 4060 is required to use in order to perform 1080p 60fps.

There are too many contradictions, and I can telll all the underperformed nvidia GPU specially those 3060, 3060ti, 3070, 4060, or 4060ti users to wait, until you will get a game ready driver.

yeah i guess maybe day 1 patch + drivers might make a little difference.

[Skaar]

For GPUs you might want to wait til March. AMD is going to release it's new GPUs then and they are rumored to take on the 5070 / 4080 in performance for a lower price point and with much improved FSR4. When they have released and reviews are in, that'd be the best time to decide what card is best suited for you.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by del_bosque_dol:

Originally posted by DeadJericho:

yeah i agree the 5700x3d would be good.
the v cache makes the difference really.

but im sticking with my 5700x personally. i feel it still has legs.
op has a 5800x which should still be good when paired with a 4070/ti/super etc

interesting your framegen results.
when i used framegen i got lower fps on average.
you would think it would double the fps upto my fps cap (set as 117fps in nvidia control panel for gsync purposes) but it got nowhere near that, often being 10fps lower than without fg on

It does cost $1500 for a 4070ti super. Retail price is crazy.

It does not cost that much.

You can find 4070 ti'superfrom 800 (Not that its a small investment), but if your paying more then 1000 you're paying brandprice on it.

I wouldnt even consider using a 5700x3d with that gpu.

According to benchmarks my 7600x with 4070 super outperforms that combination on the very same settings.

[Niczu]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by del_bosque_dol:

It does cost $1500 for a 4070ti super. Retail price is crazy.

It does not cost that much.

You can find 4070 ti'superfrom 800 (Not that its a small investment), but if your paying more then 1000 you're paying brandprice on it.

I wouldnt even consider using a 5700x3d with that gpu.

According to benchmarks my 7600x with 4070 super outperforms that combination on the very same settings.

Obviously its not as good as 7800X3D or 9800X3D but for the time being, it made sense to me. And it has been a huge improvement over the 3800X which I previously had.

Anyway, out of curiosity because of your claims I went in and replicated your test at high preset where you used native, without upscaling and framegen. Here's what I got:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3422195935

Probably could have squeezed a bit more had I closed my Vivaldi browser with tens of background tabs before running the benchmark.

[Oldboylol]

So my local computer assembly guy told me, upgrading from a RTX 3060 to a 4070 would still be a huge performance upgrade even in 1080p (given my CPU), with the option to go for a 1440p monitor later on. so you guys think this is a good Idea or would that be a huge cpu bottleneck or an 1080p Overkill ? or in other words: will it be a good performance boost ?