Requiring DLSS and Frame Generation is a TRAVESTY

[NezahualDoomer]

This technologies were for the CONSUMERS not for lazy developers that can't and won't optimize their games, requiring DLSS and Frame Generation for 1080 is nothing short of a TRAVESTY.

Your game has to be AWFULLY optimized for that to be true, I don't even remember a single game that has done this.

The Beta was AWFUL and showed us exactly how bad performing this game was, even 4000 series cards had to RELY on Frame Generation to get some playable fps, it's honestly a joke, like I said, nothing short of a travesty.

"i dIDnT hAd aNi IZzU!"

Stop lying fanatics, anyone posting this or similar stuff will get an immediate block.

"oH bUt tHeY lOwErEd tHe rEKirEMeNts!"

No, they are still putting DLSS and Frame Generation as requierements, nothing is fixed until they remove those.

This is a video I made about this topic back then when the beta released, the links are on the image below.

And somehow this video IS still relevant because the wiritng was on the wall, the game is an unoptimized mess.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3421630199

[Cadaver]

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worst part is its still going to sell millions, this ♥♥♥♥ is going to keep repeating because of privileged mfers having too much expendable income and low standards

Or maybe people think playing a game at 60 fps is playable

[Moonwitch]

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People who say "it's a beta test, it will be better in a few months" Please this is not a good talking point to deny the performance issues.

Do you know why?

Because Dragon Dogma 2 is from the same company and its still terrible, they fixed nothing, it was a nightmare of a game and still a nightmare, and because the fans who were repeating the same nonsense like some fans here, now the reviews score is %60.
no one want to buy that game, and many who bought it regret.

Do you want the same for Monster Hunter Wilds?

For me I swear I don't care because I will not buy or play this game, just want to check it for free, Monster hunting thing is not my type.

Steam users here can't critically think, asking them to understand that "its a beta, it'll be better on launch or in a few months after launch" is such a cop out. These people think having the best cpu/gpu combo money can buy and still only getting around 60-80 fps on 1080p upscaled and 60 fps frame gen is great.

It isn't, and many are going to learn that lesson the hard way come launch day. As usual with poorly optimized games. Same as it ever was.

[kakodaimonos]

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Love how he said I was using 4k textures and Witcher 3s graphics updates when all those screenshots were from when the games came out. That Witcher 3 screenshot is from a compressed YouTube video from 8 years ago by Digital Foundry.

Massive cope.

Also I just looked at this video which said the game was GPU heavy not CPU on a 3060: https://youtu.be/qAV8TqtNZSg

You should actually watch the video first, that would be a good start. On the medium Hardware in the beginning he clearly states it is CPU bound not GPU bound. (5 minutes exactly) It becomes GPU bound on high end hardware because the X3D CPUs are insanely good and completely outscale older CPU architecture.

And yeah it's heavy on the GPU as well obviously it's a 3060.

[Moonwitch]

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Love how he said I was using 4k textures and Witcher 3s graphics updates when all those screenshots were from when the games came out. That Witcher 3 screenshot is from a compressed YouTube video from 8 years ago by Digital Foundry.

Massive cope.

Also I just looked at this video which said the game was GPU heavy not CPU on a 3060: https://youtu.be/qAV8TqtNZSg

Oh definitely. I agree with Daniel saying that benchmark comes off as gaslighting. It absolutely is with how little it actually shows you in that benchmark.

[NezahualDoomer]

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good ♥♥♥♥ lähetti viestin:

worst part is its still going to sell millions, this ♥♥♥♥ is going to keep repeating because of privileged mfers having too much expendable income and low standards

Or maybe people think playing a game at 60 fps is playable

The problem is not that, is the hardware that they are going to use to achieve that.

4000 series, Hell 3000 series should not be getting lower than 60 fps in native resolution at 1440p and specially not at 1080p.

And we should not be relying to DLSS and FG to achieve what we should have by default:

70 - 100+ fps should be what we should be getting native and a 4090 should be getting 165 fps no problem in native with no upscalling specially at 1440p.

4090 is a 4k card and it's struggling to get 100 fps even with AI tech.

We should not conform with mediocrity.

[Moonwitch]

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Or maybe people think playing a game at 60 fps is playable

The problem is not that, is the hardware that they are going to use to achieve that.

4000 series, Hell 3000 series should not be getting lower than 60 fps in native resolution at 1440p and specially not at 1080p.

And we should not be relying to DLSS and FG to achieve what we should have by default:

70 - 100+ fps should be what we should be getting native and a 4090 should be getting 165 fps no problem in native with no upscalling specially at 1440p.

4090 is a 4k card and it's struggling to get 100 fps even with AI tech.

We should not conform with mediocrity.

Let me blast this on a loudspeaker, on repeat for the beta/benchmark defenders.

[MasterSlave]

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-Me: "DLSS & FG shouldn't be requierements, the perfromance sucks"
-Fanatic: "Your hardware just sucks!"
-Me: (Post specs)
-Fanatic: "wElL mAyBe aCtIvAtE tHe FrAmE gEn yOu pAiD fOr"

Circular logic fallacy and this is why I immediately block fanatics, nothing good comes from talking to irrational people.

I think you should take a second look at World's requirements and the gpu's that were available during it's launch. It's the same situation. I'm not saying it's right for frame gen to be mandatory but that's the situation we are in. I'll see you in 3-4 years down the road when you won't even need frame gen with the latest cards.

At World Launch there were the GTX 1000 series and the RX Polaris-Vega from AMD and both of them were good enought to run the game at 1080p maxed out settings and get around 80/100Fps easily on an RTX 1070Ti or RX Vega 56, even on the RX 580 or GTX 1060 the game ran smooth at launch without the need of activate any Frame Generation technology or an upscaling technology, and remember MH World was launched at the same year as the RTX 2000 series and RX 5000 series and both of them in their medium tier GPUs were capable of run the game at max settings + 1440p at 70-100Fps.

Right now talking from my own experience and having a RIG with an RTX 4080 Super at 1440p Native resolution (Using only DLAA, no upscaling, No RT activated) in the best case scenario is impossible to go far beyond the 100Fps in at game that is not that astonishing visually, i mean, go and look at Cyberpunk 2077 (knowing all the ♥♥♥♥ CD Porject did at launch) and compare this game with it... visually falls far behind and Cyberpunk runs by far better than this game in the same conditions (No RT/FG and Upscaling)... So yeah, they didnt worked at all in optimize the game, thats reminds me of Dragons Dogma 2 and really i preffer that they announce tomorrow that eh game will have a delay of 4 months and work hard on it and recieve an optimized game instead of waiting for patcches to fix and optimize the game.

[MasterSlave]

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I don't need to cope. Even the beta runs at a 100 FPS on ultra settings for me. That is not the point tho.

You people need to realize that you are bottlenecked at some point. What you need to do is figure out what the bottleneck is. I can already tell you if you want to save your time. It's your CPU. GPU only gets you so far.

On another node. This is not an exception and this will not be one in the future. This is an ongoin trend and you either deal with it or stop playing Tripple A games on PC. The market is moving on. Games are always developed on absolute high end hardware and then downscaled for all the others but at that point in time you have made your decisions how the game is supposed to be and I'm telling you it ran absolutely fine for the developers because of the hardware they are using. In this case the game is insanely CPU heavy. Even if your GPU can get you some frames the game will run most stable with good CPU. Scaling a game down on the GPU side is easy. On the CPU side on the other hand needs some very heavy tweaking on the source code. Which might happen over time in the next few months or so. But maybe it won't.

In the end you either take it or you don't. PC gaming was always expensive when you wanted the most out of it and there is always outliers which demand more hardware than others.

Still would love to know your specs.

I am absolutely sick of people saying "it runs x frames on my PC so therefore it's good"

It's bad. Go run RDR2 natively and run this game natively. Do the same with CP2077. And tell me the results. I am genuinely interested.

Either way the game is unoptimized. RDR2 has complex AI features as well and my CPU runs it fine. Cyberpunk2077 arguably has more NPCs and things on screen at a given time than this game.

No excuse.

Im on R7 9800X3D + RTX 4080 Super, tell me im bottlenecked with the best CPU for gaming in the market...

[Reb Militia]

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I am absolutely sick of people saying "it runs x frames on my PC so therefore it's good"

It's bad. Go run RDR2 natively and run this game natively. Do the same with CP2077. And tell me the results. I am genuinely interested.

Either way the game is unoptimized. RDR2 has complex AI features as well and my CPU runs it fine. Cyberpunk2077 arguably has more NPCs and things on screen at a given time than this game.

No excuse.

Im on R7 9800X3D + RTX 4080 Super, tell me im bottlenecked with the best CPU for gaming in the market...

Simple, that is not the best CPU for gaming on the market.

I just ran a bottleneck calculator and you are bottlenecked by the CPU actually. 5.2% at 1440p for general tasks. 10% for CPU intensive tasks

[Fluffy Bunny of Despair]

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MasterSlave lähetti viestin:

Im on R7 9800X3D + RTX 4080 Super, tell me im bottlenecked with the best CPU for gaming in the market...

Simple, that is not the best CPU for gaming on the market.

? oh yeah? and which one would it be then in your opinion? ^^

[Moonwitch]

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I am absolutely sick of people saying "it runs x frames on my PC so therefore it's good"

It's bad. Go run RDR2 natively and run this game natively. Do the same with CP2077. And tell me the results. I am genuinely interested.

Either way the game is unoptimized. RDR2 has complex AI features as well and my CPU runs it fine. Cyberpunk2077 arguably has more NPCs and things on screen at a given time than this game.

No excuse.

Im on R7 9800X3D + RTX 4080 Super, tell me im bottlenecked with the best CPU for gaming in the market...

You're bottlenecked by shoddy optimization. Sorry, your 9800X3D is old, maybe you should of upgraded to a better stronger cpu.

There's a reason the RE Engine is called the Reach for the Moon Engine.

[Reb Militia]

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Simple, that is not the best CPU for gaming on the market.

? oh yeah? and which one would it be then in your opinion? ^^

According to UserBenchmark, there are 16 CPUs that fare better, all of them Intel, starting with the 13900 and up.

[Fluffy Bunny of Despair]

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? oh yeah? and which one would it be then in your opinion? ^^

According to UserBenchmark, there are 16 CPUs that fare better, all of them Intel, starting with the 13900 and up.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/top-gaming-cpus.html

huh ....

https://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-CPU-154106/Tests/Rangliste-Bestenliste-1143392/2/

hmmm

https://gamersnexus.net/megacharts/cpus

i mean ... okay guess these are just all wrong then. My bad.

[RotGoblin]

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According to UserBenchmark

Well, you just invalidated everything you've ever said and will say. Good job.

[Reb Militia]

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According to UserBenchmark, there are 16 CPUs that fare better, all of them Intel, starting with the 13900 and up.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/top-gaming-cpus.html

huh ....

https://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-CPU-154106/Tests/Rangliste-Bestenliste-1143392/2/

hmmm

https://gamersnexus.net/megacharts/cpus

i mean ... okay guess these are just all wrong then. My bad.

Nice marketing links, shill. Yeah, I'll stick to actual USER benchmarks. Thank you.