Requiring DLSS and Frame Generation is a TRAVESTY

[NezahualDoomer]

This technologies were for the CONSUMERS not for lazy developers that can't and won't optimize their games, requiring DLSS and Frame Generation for 1080 is nothing short of a TRAVESTY.

Your game has to be AWFULLY optimized for that to be true, I don't even remember a single game that has done this.

The Beta was AWFUL and showed us exactly how bad performing this game was, even 4000 series cards had to RELY on Frame Generation to get some playable fps, it's honestly a joke, like I said, nothing short of a travesty.

"i dIDnT hAd aNi IZzU!"

Stop lying fanatics, anyone posting this or similar stuff will get an immediate block.

"oH bUt tHeY lOwErEd tHe rEKirEMeNts!"

No, they are still putting DLSS and Frame Generation as requierements, nothing is fixed until they remove those.

This is a video I made about this topic back then when the beta released, the links are on the image below.

And somehow this video IS still relevant because the wiritng was on the wall, the game is an unoptimized mess.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3421630199

[Prismatic Lollipop]

Цитата допису Reb Militia:

Цитата допису Kenuty:

Uh, I'am waiting to run the beta for that reason,

Pretty sure if i can run star citizen max settings while streaming, I can run this and the game is way worst off in alpha than you think until server meshing, still bad but I'am able to run it, SUPER unoptimized.

There's a difference between running something and running it well, though. There's no reason this cutscene benchmark with 0 combat should not be hitting 120+ fps all the time on my 4090..

adjust your settings and you will hit the 120 fps.
if your CPU and the rest of your PC is up to it, that is.

and it's not a cutscene only, the benchmark also runs gameplay sections.
all of the above are rendered in real time obviously, otherwise the benchmark would not be a benchmark.
please tell me that you are aware of what a benchmark does.

[Moonwitch]

Цитата допису Prismatic Lollipop:

Цитата допису Moonwitch:

Because you're not paying attention, but that's okay. Keep doubling down with how incorrect you are. I'm sure we're all eager to hear you boast on about how your 9800x3d and 3080 Ti is getting 77 fps from a cutscene benchmark.

you can stay ignorant all you want but the results speak for themselves.
the benchmark has the most load heavy scenes included in it, gameplay itself won't dip further than the heaviest part in the benchmark really.

the thing you have written on your profile seems to be meaningless, as you are spending alot of time here trying to make other people feel miserable.
of course it's not working, but you're still trying.

people get very, VERY playable results without frame gen on MH Wilds, and that's all that matters.
you should accept that and move on.

No need to "stay ignorant" I know the game is going to perform badly at launch and the user reviews are going to be very indecisive among the community. This benchmark doesn't show anything meaningful. Cute that you're resorting to snooping around my steam profile in order to get some gotcha on winning this weird argument of yours. Let's see if you still stick around on launch with all the posts saying how performance hasn't changed at all and how it now performs worse than the beta.

Sorry that you choose to continuously be ignorant toward the fact that MH Wilds has a very concerning problem, and continuing to gaslight yourself in thinking that what ever results you're getting is "good" or "excellent"

[liberator65853]

The issue isn't the game it was that Nvidia didn't have drivers to support it during the last beta. It ran fine on AMD cards without framegen and FSR. On my rx6650xt I get a stable 90fps with high settings at 1080p and no FSR or Framegen, 180+ if I do enable them

[Prismatic Lollipop]

Цитата допису Moonwitch:

Цитата допису Prismatic Lollipop:

you can stay ignorant all you want but the results speak for themselves.
the benchmark has the most load heavy scenes included in it, gameplay itself won't dip further than the heaviest part in the benchmark really.

the thing you have written on your profile seems to be meaningless, as you are spending alot of time here trying to make other people feel miserable.
of course it's not working, but you're still trying.

people get very, VERY playable results without frame gen on MH Wilds, and that's all that matters.
you should accept that and move on.

No need to "stay ignorant" I know the game is going to perform badly at launch and the user reviews are going to be very indecisive among the community. This benchmark doesn't show anything meaningful. Cute that you're resorting to snooping around my steam profile in order to get some gotcha on winning this weird argument of yours. Let's see if you still stick around on launch with all the posts saying how performance hasn't changed at all and how it now performs worse than the beta.

Sorry that you choose to continuously be ignorant toward the fact that MH Wilds has a very concerning problem, and continuing to gaslight yourself in thinking that what ever results you're getting is "good" or "excellent"

it's not gaslighting, the game is literally running smooth, i already had no issues with the first beta to begin with.
you are so hateful towards this game for whatever reason, that you really seem to go overboard here and are unable to see your own folly in this.

it is absolutely not perfectly optimized, no, it could be better optimized, absolutely yes.
however, it's not in a terrible state, either, and it's perfectly playable.
i got this running playably on a handheld PC and a laptop with a 3070 quite comfortably.

people should adjust their settings and inform themselves about what their own hardware is actually capable of, in the first place, before blaming developers all the time.

this game is going to break sales records and is absolutely not going to fail, but you can also tell yourself that it will flop, if that helps you sleep at night.

[Ashley]

There is no point in arguing anymore. The benchmarks have spoken.
It is also obvious that the defenders don't have the technical know-how to even understand why.

"Why not use the technology?" Because you don't use frame gen to hit 60. You use it to go above 60. "Why?" Because these are not real frames. All they do is make a 30 fps game look like a 60 fps game (or 60 like 120). It still plays and feels like a 30 fps game (basically a Switch port). The lower you go, the worse it plays, the fewer frames you can generate, etc. This is especially bad for 120+ fps gamers like me. I can't just magically quadruple my frames. All of this is basic PC gaming knowledge. You. Should. Know. This.

DLSS and frame gen are supposed to help let lower-spec PCs play newer games with a trade-off. Now that trade-off is basically a requirement - and some of you act like that's completely fine. Absolutely baffling behavior that can only be explained by ignorance if you ask me.

If you're fine with the game's performance, by all means, enjoy it.
You do you, I am not going to stop you.

But don't think you can come here and freaking argue with people who know better.
If we stop replying, it's not because you "won", but because we deem you a lost cause not worthy of our time.

Digital Foundry will tear this thing apart, btw.
You know it, I know it, the people at Capcom know it.

I am so disappointed.

[Rhila]

Цитата допису Kenuty:

Цитата допису Rhila:

The more I read about "Frame Generation" the more I hate it

Why do people hate frame generation? its so wierd the technology has gotten so much better that it's barely noticeable

I'm still researching about this "Frame Generation" and I think it's worse than we thought.

Frame Generation = The same one frame is displayed twice 😱

This means that games development will become lazier, instead of making games run well, they just add this Frame Generation option to fix performance in a very cheap way.

[Kenuty]

Цитата допису Prismatic Lollipop:

Цитата допису Moonwitch:

No need to "stay ignorant" I know the game is going to perform badly at launch and the user reviews are going to be very indecisive among the community. This benchmark doesn't show anything meaningful. Cute that you're resorting to snooping around my steam profile in order to get some gotcha on winning this weird argument of yours. Let's see if you still stick around on launch with all the posts saying how performance hasn't changed at all and how it now performs worse than the beta.

Sorry that you choose to continuously be ignorant toward the fact that MH Wilds has a very concerning problem, and continuing to gaslight yourself in thinking that what ever results you're getting is "good" or "excellent"

it's not gaslighting, the game is literally running smooth, i already had no issues with the first beta to begin with.
you are so hateful towards this game for whatever reason, that you really seem to go overboard here and are unable to see your own folly in this.

it is absolutely not perfectly optimized, no, it could be better optimized, absolutely yes.
however, it's not in a terrible state, either, and it's perfectly playable.
i got this running playably on a handheld PC and a laptop with a 3070 quite comfortably.

people should adjust their settings and inform themselves about what their own hardware is actually capable of, in the first place, before blaming developers all the time.

this game is going to break sales records and is absolutely not going to fail, but you can also tell yourself that it will flop, if that helps you sleep at night.

I mean, the person deeply supports dragon age veilguard, liberals tend to react with their emotions over common sense sometimes.

[Mike]

Цитата допису Rhila:

Цитата допису Kenuty:

Why do people hate frame generation? its so wierd the technology has gotten so much better that it's barely noticeable

I'm still researching about this "Frame Generation" and I think it's worse than we thought.

Frame Generation = The same one frame is displayed twice 😱

This means that game development will become lazier, instead of making games run well, they just add this Frame Generation option to fix performance in a very cheap way.

What do you mean "will become lazier" its ben lazy for the past 5+ years lol. Its just now people are finally noticing and it will get even worse now.

[Kenuty]

Цитата допису Ashley:

There is no point in arguing anymore. The benchmarks have spoken.
It is also obvious that the defenders don't have the technical know-how to even understand why.

"Why not use the technology?" Because you don't use frame gen to hit 60. You use it to go above 60. "Why?" Because these are not real frames. All they do is make a 30 fps game look like a 60 fps game (or 60 like 120). It still plays and feels like a 30 fps game (basically a Switch port). The lower you go, the worse it plays, the fewer frames you can generate, etc. This is especially bad for 120+ fps gamers like me. I can't just magically quadruple my frames. All of this is basic PC gaming knowledge. You. Should. Know. This.

DLSS and frame gen are supposed to help let lower-spec PCs play newer games with a trade-off. Now that trade-off is basically a requirement - and some of you act like that's completely fine. Absolutely baffling behavior that can only be explained by ignorance if you ask me.

If you're fine with the game's performance, by all means, enjoy it.
You do you, I am not going to stop you.

But don't think you can come here and freaking argue with people who know better.
If we stop replying, it's not because you "won", but because we deem you a lost cause not worthy of our time.

Digital Foundry will tear this thing apart, btw.
You know it, I know it, the people at Capcom know it.

I am so disappointed.

But if you actually look at my post up top, i get stable 75-80 fps without framegen, no dlss, and in 4k with high raytracing

[Prismatic Lollipop]

Цитата допису Kenuty:

Цитата допису Ashley:

There is no point in arguing anymore. The benchmarks have spoken.
It is also obvious that the defenders don't have the technical know-how to even understand why.

"Why not use the technology?" Because you don't use frame gen to hit 60. You use it to go above 60. "Why?" Because these are not real frames. All they do is make a 30 fps game look like a 60 fps game (or 60 like 120). It still plays and feels like a 30 fps game (basically a Switch port). The lower you go, the worse it plays, the fewer frames you can generate, etc. This is especially bad for 120+ fps gamers like me. I can't just magically quadruple my frames. All of this is basic PC gaming knowledge. You. Should. Know. This.

DLSS and frame gen are supposed to help let lower-spec PCs play newer games with a trade-off. Now that trade-off is basically a requirement - and some of you act like that's completely fine. Absolutely baffling behavior that can only be explained by ignorance if you ask me.

If you're fine with the game's performance, by all means, enjoy it.
You do you, I am not going to stop you.

But don't think you can come here and freaking argue with people who know better.
If we stop replying, it's not because you "won", but because we deem you a lost cause not worthy of our time.

Digital Foundry will tear this thing apart, btw.
You know it, I know it, the people at Capcom know it.

I am so disappointed.

But if you actually look at my post up top, i get stable 75-80 fps without framegen, no dlss, and in 4k with high raytracing

forget about it.
you might aswell just leave this thread, i know i will.
every fact, every piece of evidence, even attempts at helping them adjust settings to get a good result just falls on deaf ears or is blocked out on purpose.

i'm leaving at least, not going to argue with children anymore.

[Moonwitch]

Цитата допису Prismatic Lollipop:

it's not gaslighting

It is. It absolutely is. But you can keep on making up stuff to make yourself sound right in this situation. As someone that's trying really hard to paint me in a bad light when there is clear proof that this benchmark is extremely misleading, and going far as going to my steam profile to take a quote and use it against me because I said your benchmark results are bad and inaccurate. Some of you are taking this WAY too personally.

[NezahualDoomer]

Цитата допису Kenuty:

Цитата допису NezahualDoomer:

We hate it because it is being used as a crutch for lazy developers that don't optimize their games like this devs, their game looks even worse than MH World and it runs 10 times worse.

The technonogy is good but only when it is FOR THE CONSUMERS not when the developers rely on it because they are lazy like in this case.

the technology is there, might as well use it, and I don't think the developers are trying to be lazy, if they were they wouldn't have attempted to further optimize the game, I think this is more of an engine issue they are trying to solve which really kinda take time. Even if the game releases with decent performance i think they're going to further optimize it down the road because this is one capcom flagship title. They did it for worlds and made it run so much better.

Any idea why Capcom would suddenly be lazy and just throw their game under the bus just to get the bad rep? they have a pretty good rep on their games so far. Cept maybe DD2.

They are lazy because they rather use an engine that is UNFIT for this type of games than make a new one, the writing on the wall was there since Dragons Dogma 2 and they still did nothing about it.

It's offensive to put DLSS and Frame Gen as requierements for 1080, it's UNACCEPTABLE.

[NezahualDoomer]

Цитата допису Prismatic Lollipop:

Цитата допису NezahualDoomer:

We hate it because it is being used as a crutch for lazy developers that don't optimize their games like this devs, their game looks even worse than MH World and it runs 10 times worse.

The technonogy is good but only when it is FOR THE CONSUMERS not when the developers rely on it because they are lazy like in this case.

game hits 60 fps even on an RTX 4060 Ti without frame gen.
what exactly are you on about?

No frame gen and no DLSS?

60 fps for 4000 series cards is UNACCEPTABLE

This benchmark is NOT what you are going to see in fights, you will see, this is going to be a debacle, I already see the TONS of people complaining about performance when they get to actually play the game.

[NezahualDoomer]

Цитата допису Prismatic Lollipop:

gameplay itself won't dip further than the heaviest part in the benchmark really

Outright gaslighting, blocking you now.

[Kenuty]

Цитата допису NezahualDoomer:

Цитата допису Prismatic Lollipop:

game hits 60 fps even on an RTX 4060 Ti without frame gen.
what exactly are you on about?

No frame gen and no DLSS?

60 fps for 4000 series cards is UNACCEPTABLE

This benchmark is NOT what you are going to see in fights, you will see, this is going to be a debacle, I already see the TONS of people complaining about performance when they get to actually play the game.

Then I rather wait for the game release to start complaining, not over a benchmark, Things get fixed when people complain and Japanese developers tend to pull back when it hits hard enough. There is a deeper honor in the culture when it comes to these type of things.