Denuvo is gonna kill this game on release (clearly a hyperbole)

[BrrVlad]

I find it funny how people think release is gonna be better than the benchmark , have fun seeing a 20% drop on fps , crashes , cpu being to used . Its not for nothing that they removed denuvo on world after 4 months

[Pheace]

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I just love how everyone is just ignoring that Denuvo's product manager himself confirmed the performance impact. I'm out, you guys don't want the truth, you just want to bicker endlessly.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/denuvo-respond-to-their-rep-for-tanking-games-im-a-gamer-myself-and-therefore-i-know-what-im-talking-about

You mean this? Where he acknowledges that some games do end up with performance problems. Again, bad implementations of a few do not equal the whole. How about when he states that they put Denuvo in about 70 games a year and no one complains about almost any of them actually having performance problems? What about when he shows tests have been done to show no performance differences in other examples?

You are the toxic community he's talking about. People that like to cry and moan about things they are incapable of or unwilling to understand. You love having something to cry about.

This is what the discord says. So yes, they're not denying it affects performance, but quoting what they said would've made it clear the performance they're talking about is also nothing similar to the 20% performance nonsense that gets brought up in this thread.

Does Denuvo Anti-Tamper affect performance?
If implemented properly, there is no noticeable performance impact. The protection is applied only in non-critical parts of the game, like loading screens, where it may add a slight delay of 50-100ms - well below what a player would notice. Our solution is used by around 60 games per year, and the vast majority time without performance issues. Most of the claims that can be found on the internet with regards to performance issues are related to a handful of incidents which, more often than not, have nothing to do with our solution or how it has been implemented in the games.

You can find an independent technical analysis of our solution here, including some side notes on the performance topic, confirming our claims above:
https://momo5502.com/posts/2024-03-31-bypassing-denuvo-in-hogwarts-legacy/#what-about-performance

[lukaself]

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Does Denuvo Anti-Tamper affect performance?
If implemented properly, there is no noticeable performance impact. The protection is applied only in non-critical parts of the game, like loading screens, where it may add a slight delay of 50-100ms - well below what a player would notice. Our solution is used by around 60 games per year, and the vast majority time without performance issues. Most of the claims that can be found on the internet with regards to performance issues are related to a handful of incidents which, more often than not, have nothing to do with our solution or how it has been implemented in the games.

You can find an independent technical analysis of our solution here, including some side notes on the performance topic, confirming our claims above:
https://momo5502.com/posts/2024-03-31-bypassing-denuvo-in-hogwarts-legacy/#what-about-performance

"Independent" analysis from a DRM developer which stands to benefit financially from defending DRMs? Do I REALLY need to point out the obvious issue there? Which DRM company has he worked for before 2019? Oh he doesn't tell? How convenient.

And I love how you guys again exonerate yourselves from the very things you accuse others of. Your whole defense is a farce.

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You are the toxic community he's talking about. People that like to cry and moan about things they are incapable of or unwilling to understand. You love having something to cry about.

Easier to label the opposition as malicious rather than having to address their points, I guess. First, there was no performance impact, then there was a performance impact but it's because of the developer, then when developers who felt miffed to be called incompetent began to shun the solution Denuvo actually started admitting "it has a performance impact, but it's only minor cases". The goalpost has been moved so many times, they added wheels to make it easier to lug it around.

Denuvo is in panic mode after multiple AAA publishers - some of them long time customers - started re-evaluating their need of DRM and it shows.

https://youtu.be/27UUF07Gr1Y

[Silverborn]

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I find it funny how people think release is gonna be better than the benchmark , have fun seeing a 20% drop on fps , crashes , cpu being to used . Its not for nothing that they removed denuvo on world after 4 months

thats because they sold 2.5 million copies in the first week, its used to deter piracy for the first initial month. once they reach their sales goal they'll take it off for ya, but other than that, denuvo doesn't cause any issue with performance, I've owned every denuvo game there is.

watching people cry wolf without evidence is absolutely hilarious, mhw ran the same with and without denuvo.

World refused to use 100% of the cpu because of it. It ran like trash on release.

[Pheace]

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"Independent" analysis from a DRM developer which stands to benefit financially from defending DRMs? Do I REALLY need to point out the obvious issue there? Which DRM company has he worked for before 2019? Oh he doesn't tell? How convenient.

The analysis didn't have anything to do with my point, it just happened to be part of the quoted section of the faq

[tadger_kp]

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You are just lying its a straight fact that world ran better after denuvo was removed and there is a llt of documentation that proves that denuvo takes performance a lot of games plan that ahead of time but not capcom apparently with dogma 2 and world before

Post these straight facts? All i can find is
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/nr299a/monster_hunter_world_on_steam_has_removed_denuvo/

and people are saying it runs the same, so uh, yeah where are your facts feel free to post solid evidence, not journalist write ups and bs from other people mouth.

My fact is, I stream those games, no difference in performance, literally with or without denuvo. My evidence is, I literally livestream myself and my fps with no changes in it running ANY better. So why would I be lying about something I do on air while observing the performance remain the same.

Everyone who has cried on these forums about denuvo has NEVER presented any solid proof that it causes performance degradation at all, Not one person who has done what you did has presented solid evidence and test. Still using the same SSD for years and waiting for it to blow up like people have claimed about Denuvo degrading your ssd and causing it to blow up.

Denuvo going to kill this game on release?
Uh no, I think i'll just call it that it'll do quite well on release, just like other denuvo big hitters.

Bro you are a dellusional liar. Denuvo affects performance. No one watches your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ streams. Any program uses resources. Even if you turn off Spotify it will improve your I game performance by some degree. I think you are american by the way you type. I am almost certain of it , classic ignorant clueless american . Give capcom your money clown . I will pirate it minus the denuvo thanks

[Caesar]

It's mind boggling how there are still people out there defending Denuvo.

[Aju]

I don't even care if or if not Denuvo has any effect on performance. By adding it to the game, I have to believe the devs presume that I would pirate the game if they didn't put DRM on it. If they have no faith in me, I won't have faith in them, and I won't buy it. Not now, not in the future, even if they remove Denuvo at some point after release - by that point, I wouldn't be able to get a pre-order bonus anymore. Not that I particularly think the pre-order stuff looks good, but being likely permanently locked out of stuff annoys me more than not playing a game at all. So for me, them putting Denuvo on means I save quite a bit of money from not buying premium deluxe preorder + maybe some other DLCs later on that aren't included in that. Thanks, Capcom.

[Xaelon]

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I don't even care if or if not Denuvo has any effect on performance. By adding it to the game, I have to believe the devs presume that I would pirate the game if they didn't put DRM on it. If they have no faith in me, I won't have faith in them, and I won't buy it. Not now, not in the future, even if they remove Denuvo at some point after release - by that point, I wouldn't be able to get a pre-order bonus anymore. Not that I particularly think the pre-order stuff looks good, but being likely permanently locked out of stuff annoys me more than not playing a game at all. So for me, them putting Denuvo on means I save quite a bit of money from not buying premium deluxe preorder + maybe some other DLCs later on that aren't included in that. Thanks, Capcom.

You should be able to get the preorder bonuses as DLC after launch in a month or two. The same thing goes for the Deluxe and Premium Deluxe edition bonuses.

While I'm not 100% sure about Rise and World specifically (since both of those games launched on console and were later ported to PC, I don't know if you COULD preorder on PC) but the preorder bonuses for most or all of the Resident Evil remakes are currently being sold as DLC. As such I assume any cosmetic preorder bonuses for World will be sold later.

I know for sure that the Deluxe edition's extras and Premium's 2 cosmetic packs will be sold later though. You can still buy the Deluxe editions for World, Iceborne, Rise and Sunbreak right now if you wish.

[Aju]

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I don't even care if or if not Denuvo has any effect on performance. By adding it to the game, I have to believe the devs presume that I would pirate the game if they didn't put DRM on it. If they have no faith in me, I won't have faith in them, and I won't buy it. Not now, not in the future, even if they remove Denuvo at some point after release - by that point, I wouldn't be able to get a pre-order bonus anymore. Not that I particularly think the pre-order stuff looks good, but being likely permanently locked out of stuff annoys me more than not playing a game at all. So for me, them putting Denuvo on means I save quite a bit of money from not buying premium deluxe preorder + maybe some other DLCs later on that aren't included in that. Thanks, Capcom.

You should be able to get the preorder bonuses as DLC after launch in a month or two. The same thing goes for the Deluxe and Premium Deluxe edition bonuses.

While I'm not 100% sure about Rise and World specifically (since both of those games launched on console and were later ported to PC, I don't know if you COULD preorder on PC) but the preorder bonuses for most or all of the Resident Evil remakes are currently being sold as DLC. As such I assume any cosmetic preorder bonuses for World will be sold later.

I know for sure that the Deluxe edition's extras and Premium's 2 cosmetic packs will be sold later though. You can still buy the Deluxe editions for World, Iceborne, Rise and Sunbreak right now if you wish.

I see. I'll consider it then, if they do end up removing Denuvo. Thanks!

[Scyris]

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I find it funny how people think release is gonna be better than the benchmark , have fun seeing a 20% drop on fps , crashes , cpu being to used . Its not for nothing that they removed denuvo on world after 4 months

thats because they sold 2.5 million copies in the first week, its used to deter piracy for the first initial month. once they reach their sales goal they'll take it off for ya, but other than that, denuvo doesn't cause any issue with performance, I've owned every denuvo game there is.

watching people cry wolf without evidence is absolutely hilarious, mhw ran the same with and without denuvo.

Except there is evidence you just haven't looked. Also, they do not always remove denuvo after the sales goals, so thats a cope right there, in actuality most games do not remove it period.

[Dregora]

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thats because they sold 2.5 million copies in the first week, its used to deter piracy for the first initial month. once they reach their sales goal they'll take it off for ya, but other than that, denuvo doesn't cause any issue with performance, I've owned every denuvo game there is.

watching people cry wolf without evidence is absolutely hilarious, mhw ran the same with and without denuvo.

You are just lying its a straight fact that world ran better after denuvo was removed and there is a lot of documentation that proves that denuvo takes performance, a lot of games plan that ahead of time but not capcom apparently with dogma 2 and world before

Not 20% buddy and if you claim there is, i'll just ask you to link it. Does it have performance impact on a small scale? Ofc. So does leaving your browser open.

[Infevo]

What is this "Denuvo", why is everyone crying about it since years and why did I never ever have a problem with it? Let alone got my game "killed"?

[DDENN]

not everyone have top class cpu, i wish 5600x3d to be sold world wide. denuvo will deter those who dont have top class cpu since the game already insane demand on cpu work load that calculating something some where u cant see.

[Scyris]

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You are just lying its a straight fact that world ran better after denuvo was removed and there is a lot of documentation that proves that denuvo takes performance, a lot of games plan that ahead of time but not capcom apparently with dogma 2 and world before

Not 20% buddy and if you claim there is, i'll just ask you to link it. Does it have performance impact on a small scale? Ofc. So does leaving your browser open.

Its usually not that bad, but its usually 10% or so, the problem is the drm wastes to many cpu cycles doing checks multiple times a second, and thats what causes the performance loss. You especially noticed this in Tekken 8 I think it was? as the DRM was setup to do a check on certain special moves chars use, and when you used these moves there would be a noticable fps drop during that move as denuvo did some of its checks during it. Then after the move it would spike back up. Now before you try to argue about maybe it was a graphically intensive move and that caused the fps loss, but that is not true, it was literally just a kick variant with nothing fancy about it. IMO Denuvo should only need to do a check maybe once every 60 seconds or so, this would basically remove its performance hit. However this would also make it easier to crack, as the main reason denuvo is so hard to bypass is due to how many checks it does and how often it does them.

IMO after the first week denuvo should be removed from the games, maybe after 2 weeks at most, as after that sales usually are a trickle. Even if denuvo is removed from Wilds, it is basically a always online game, it needs the server there is no offline mode that alone should be enough drm.

[Silverborn]

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What is this "Denuvo", why is everyone crying about it since years and why did I never ever have a problem with it? Let alone got my game "killed"?

Denuvo is a background program that does two things. It is partly anti-cheat, but also anti-piracy. This means that this game basically checks every interaction you have within the game: is legit.

So, this beta, and the benchmark. They don't have Denuvo yet. So your results in these experiences might consider you to buy the game. But on full release, this software is included.

And with both MH:World and Rise, denuvo also checks all your actions and - game related - online interactions as well.

So your CPU doens't only process what is going on in the game. But Denuvo also claims a fairly big chunk of your CPU load, just to make sure that the game is protected from cheaters, and pirates.

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The problem, lies in the fact that most western studio's sorta "allow" priracy, but no online access. Meaning, a large part of the experience, can't be enjoyed. And monster hunter refuses to have a single-player (offline) experience -> after full release. And because of Denuvo, your pc might handle the game just fine -> but won't, because of Denuvo.

In World, my bottleneck was my cpu. But only 50% of my CPU would be used. It drove me crazy, until Iceborn released. And I upgraded my PC.