What was you benchmark Score?

[RainingTheBEST]

I just finished running my benchmark

I9-12900K
RTX 3080 12GB
32GB DDR5
1440P

No DLSS/Upscaling
Highest preset

SCORE: 21,161
Average: 62.31 fps

[Ograus]

引用自 Goblin：

引用自 Ograus：

what some call low range would cause zero problems with adequate optimisation...

maybe take a look at steams hardware survey
see what percentage of players uses what kind of hardware

We've been warned for years that the days of 6cores and 8GB VRAM is coming swiftly to an end.

At some point, devs need to stop "optimising" for inappropriate hardware and not only push users to upgrade, but to push Nvidia and Radeon to improve their lower end products.

hardware progress is slowing down
see performance gains & efficiency gains of nv rtx 5xxx vs rtx 4xxx as an examaple
and performance/price aka bang for the buck
there was/is also a massive artificial inflation with gaming hardware,better to use the term greedflation here
similar with games pricing btw
and whil3 we are at it,
comparing games prices: apples to apples not "phys distribution withou account binding" vs the current system

so it is just the opposite
we as gamers need to push the gaming software indsutry to stop offering unoptimised products in a pre-release (late beta?),
bananas mmaturing at the customer
and on top of that even asking premium prices for that

take a look at hello games and "no mans sky"
learn from it

if a current gen game on current gen hardware looks worse then a 7 year olf game on 8-12 year old hardware something is more then wrong
once again:
and just as an example
look for vids of forza horizon 4 running on i7 37xx cpu&gtx 1070 gpu
12 year old cpu architecture, 8 year old gpu architecture
7 year old game
looking better then what we have seen from wilds
and that by far

want a more current example?
take a look at the sequel fh5
still 3years old
maxed out settings on current hw
funfact: it even runs 60 fps fhd on the mentioned hardware for fh4 not with maxed settings so

[RotGoblin]

引用自 Ograus：

hardware progress is slowing down
see performance gains & efficiency gains of nv rtx 5xxx vs rtx 4xxx as an examaple
and performance/price aka bang for the buck

Yes because Nvidia abandoned gamers to develop AI, they literally stated it openly. They aren't a graphics company any more, they are an AI company.

Which is why Nvidia 5XXX sucks outside of DLSS 4. Because that's all they are actually working on.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

引用自 Ograus：

引用自 Goblin：

We've been warned for years that the days of 6cores and 8GB VRAM is coming swiftly to an end.

At some point, devs need to stop "optimising" for inappropriate hardware and not only push users to upgrade, but to push Nvidia and Radeon to improve their lower end products.

hardware progress is slowing down
see performance gains & efficiency gains of nv rtx 5xxx vs rtx 4xxx as an examaple
and performance/price aka bang for the buck
there was/is also a massive artificial inflation with gaming hardware,better to use the term greedflation here
similar with games pricing btw
and whil3 we are at it,
comparing games prices: apples to apples not "phys distribution withou account binding" vs the current system

so it is just the opposite
we as gamers need to push the gaming software indsutry to stop offering unoptimised products in a pre-release (late beta?),
bananas mmaturing at the customer
and on top of that even asking premium prices for that

take a look at hello games and "no mans sky"
learn from it

if a current gen game on current gen hardware looks worse then a 7 year olf game on 8-12 year old hardware something is more then wrong
once again:
and just as an example
look for vids of forza horizon 4 running on i7 37xx cpu&gtx 1070 gpu
12 year old cpu architecture, 8 year old gpu architecture
7 year old game
looking better then what we have seen from wilds
and that by far

want a more current example?
take a look at the sequel fh5
still 3years old
maxed out settings on current hw
funfact: it even runs 60 fps fhd on the mentioned hardware for fh4 not with maxed settings so

Well No man sky for sure does not run as well if you still have a machine from 2019 up to the point where consoles just streight up crash now on on that game.


Eitherway...

You can say that, but compare gtx 4060 8 gb ram too?

Games arnt going to use less vram. Theyr only gonna do more, and for accurate reading we also need AMD's gpus to releease.

[Cadaver]

引用自 Goblin：

引用自 Ograus：

hardware progress is slowing down
see performance gains & efficiency gains of nv rtx 5xxx vs rtx 4xxx as an examaple
and performance/price aka bang for the buck

Yes because Nvidia abandoned gamers to develop AI, they literally stated it openly. They aren't a graphics company any more, they are an AI company.

Which is why Nvidia 5XXX sucks outside of DLSS 4. Because that's all they are actually working on.

There is also the issue of it getting harder and harder to get more performacne out of current achitecture because, we cant really go much smaller, which is why GPUs are getting larger after initially having gotten smaller.

Tho for AI a Quadro makes a lot more sense than a regular RTX card, sow hile yeah they are pivoting more to AI i dont think thats why performance improvements have slowed, as there'd still be a massive benefit of those for both areas.

[RotGoblin]

引用自 Cadaver：

引用自 Goblin：

Yes because Nvidia abandoned gamers to develop AI, they literally stated it openly. They aren't a graphics company any more, they are an AI company.

Which is why Nvidia 5XXX sucks outside of DLSS 4. Because that's all they are actually working on.

There is also the issue of it getting harder and harder to get more performacne out of current achitecture because, we cant really go much smaller, which is why GPUs are getting larger after initially having gotten smaller.

Tho for AI a Quadro makes a lot more sense than a regular RTX card, sow hile yeah they are pivoting more to AI i dont think thats why performance improvements have slowed, as there'd still be a massive benefit of those for both areas.

Eh there's still carbon nano tubes, and flipping electrons to register as 0/1, but yeah we're reaching physical limitations based upon current known technology.

But Nvidia's stopped trying to improve. No longer innovating, and Radeon has realised that it doesn't really matter how hard they try because 80+% buy Nvidia no matter how poor the product is, so they've given up too.

[Cadaver]

引用自 Goblin：

引用自 Cadaver：

There is also the issue of it getting harder and harder to get more performacne out of current achitecture because, we cant really go much smaller, which is why GPUs are getting larger after initially having gotten smaller.

Tho for AI a Quadro makes a lot more sense than a regular RTX card, sow hile yeah they are pivoting more to AI i dont think thats why performance improvements have slowed, as there'd still be a massive benefit of those for both areas.

Eh there's still carbon nano tubes, and flipping electrons to register as 0/1, but yeah we're reaching physical limitations based upon current known technology.

But Nvidia's stopped trying to improve. No longer innovating, and Radeon has realised that it doesn't really matter how hard they try because 80+% buy Nvidia no matter how poor the product is, so they've given up too.

I dont think thats incorrect but i also think that the solution to innovation isnt as simple as yknow, iterating on current processes, we need a complete from the ground up new architecture that is not bloated like Apple did with the M1 chip, its going to be expensive and time consuming to make but its the only real way i can see things heavily improving going forward.

[בתאניה]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN4i85oHle8 Decent FPS with an RX6600, with FSR+ frame gen, I ran 3 tests, it's a mix of high med and low settings at 1440p.

[RotGoblin]

引用自 Cadaver：

引用自 Goblin：

Eh there's still carbon nano tubes, and flipping electrons to register as 0/1, but yeah we're reaching physical limitations based upon current known technology.

But Nvidia's stopped trying to improve. No longer innovating, and Radeon has realised that it doesn't really matter how hard they try because 80+% buy Nvidia no matter how poor the product is, so they've given up too.

I dont think thats incorrect but i also think that the solution to innovation isnt as simple as yknow, iterating on current processes, we need a complete from the ground up new architecture that is not bloated like Apple did with the M1 chip, its going to be expensive and time consuming to make but its the only real way i can see things heavily improving going forward.

I agree, but rehashing ai to just "predict rendered frames" does not strike me as the way forward, especially as it implements latency.

There are talks about completely offloading everything directly on to the CPU, so the GPU handles the entire game, processing, memory and rasterisation, that has the potential to (inflate costs dramatically...) lower latency whilst removing so many computer variables that make "optimisation" difficult for devs.

Valve is also doubling down on SteamOS it seems, which we may need as Win11 is a fustercluck and Windows has been on a steady decline for years now.

But at the same time, I think we're eraching an acceptable level of graphical fidelity, I don't think we need to be chasing 4k, 8k, 16k etc.

1440p is a fantastic pixel density for most monitors.

[Easybird]

Score: 24126
Average FPS: 73.69
Resolution: 1920x1080

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS
GPU: NVIDIA 4060 Laptop
RAM: 48GB
GPU Driver Version: 572.16

Graphics settings:
Texture, Mesh, Fur, tree Quality, Bloom- high
high, Grass sway, water effect - enable
Render distance, shadow quality, shadow distance, ambient light quality & Occulusion -medium
Sky, wind, surface, sand, distant shadow quality - low
motion blur, vignette effect, screen space reflection, SSSS scattering, Depth of field - OFF

FG - OFF,
DLSS - QUALITY,
DSR - 1.78X 2.25X

Is still acceptable. Only need stable 60fps during fight.

[GreatSleepWalker]

Resolution 2560x1440 no upscaling
Gpu Rx 7900xtx
Cpu Ryzen 9 5900x
32gb ram
Ultra settings

Score 23827
69.69 fps

Nice framerate, but cpu is a bottleneck.

[DAVOS CENSORSHIP 2030 FTW!!!]

引用自 Cadaver：

引用自 Goblin：

Eh there's still carbon nano tubes, and flipping electrons to register as 0/1, but yeah we're reaching physical limitations based upon current known technology.

But Nvidia's stopped trying to improve. No longer innovating, and Radeon has realised that it doesn't really matter how hard they try because 80+% buy Nvidia no matter how poor the product is, so they've given up too.

we need a complete from the ground up new architecture that is not bloated like Apple did with the M1 chip, its going to be expensive and time consuming to make but its the only real way i can see things heavily improving going forward.

Finally someone that uses his Brain.

In the End nothing is worthwhile when these Gens have 0% Price-Performance Ratio and can only "Simulate Game Performance Improvements" through the use of Software/App Gimmicks while getting Scalped to the Moon thanks to the A.I. Bubble Market.

Yes, they ( All Corpos, Scalpers and Scammers ) are trying to steal as much Money as possible before the Insane Incoming Market Crash.

[NDMK2]

Wait what? No 60fps for RTX4090 ?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3425476124

[Cadaver]

引用自 NDMK2：

Wait what? No 60fps for RTX4090 ?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3425476124

cpu bound

[Ograus]

引用自 GamingWithSilvertail：

引用自 Ograus：

hardware progress is slowing down
see performance gains & efficiency gains of nv rtx 5xxx vs rtx 4xxx as an examaple
and performance/price aka bang for the buck
there was/is also a massive artificial inflation with gaming hardware,better to use the term greedflation here
similar with games pricing btw
and whil3 we are at it,
comparing games prices: apples to apples not "phys distribution withou account binding" vs the current system

so it is just the opposite
we as gamers need to push the gaming software indsutry to stop offering unoptimised products in a pre-release (late beta?),
bananas mmaturing at the customer
and on top of that even asking premium prices for that

take a look at hello games and "no mans sky"
learn from it

if a current gen game on current gen hardware looks worse then a 7 year olf game on 8-12 year old hardware something is more then wrong
once again:
and just as an example
look for vids of forza horizon 4 running on i7 37xx cpu&gtx 1070 gpu
12 year old cpu architecture, 8 year old gpu architecture
7 year old game
looking better then what we have seen from wilds
and that by far

want a more current example?
take a look at the sequel fh5
still 3years old
maxed out settings on current hw
funfact: it even runs 60 fps fhd on the mentioned hardware for fh4 not with maxed settings so

Well No man sky for sure does not run as well if you still have a machine from 2019 up to the point where consoles just streight up crash now on on that game.


Eitherway...

You can say that, but compare gtx 4060 8 gb ram too?

Games arnt going to use less vram. Theyr only gonna do more, and for accurate reading we also need AMD's gpus to releease.

nowadays imho selling gpus with 8gb or less above a price point of250$/€ maybe even 200$/€ is a joke "out of time"
more vram atm quite likely is still the easiest way to allow graphis improvement, for example via better textures,

this is not a new lesson so
vram frugality even caused image quality isuees during the old days of 3dfx voodoo2
there is a good reason why almost evrybody wanted the 12mb verion over the 8mb one
*g* yes mb
and even more for those who wanted to use sli

one reason why especially nvidias vram-frugality is an issue
and also a reason why amd needs to release its new gen.
vram-frugality is even worse since this usually goes hand in hand with a "slim" memory bus


about nms, sure it is not the worlds most optimised game
still runs even on "ancient" hardware
but the support and quality of the game makes it hard for other developers to compete
phoenix from the ashes
ugly duckling to swan
make your choice
other devs/companies would sell all the major updates they did as a "content dlc"
or would have sold a new game/sequel evry 3-4 updates

[DAVOS CENSORSHIP 2030 FTW!!!]

I still remember when Ngreedia was marketed as being all about the Efficiency as they just dropped the Electricity Bill Serial Killer in 2025.