doubt about at in other games

[ѴIPΣR]

I've knew the monster hunter frenchise properly at 2020 with MHWI in a sale, didnt play it as soon when bought it, but when I've played the game already not receiving new updates, and I've played it solo all the time, and did not tried to find any tip of the game until i've reached master rank... i've stayed on lower ranks for a while, because I was realy enjoying random hunting elder dragons as soon as their appear, but I just found out the high rank AT missions when was on very deep master rank, and they werent not even close to the tempered master rank version of them, even did the AT namielle with minor trouble...

but the question here is, how hard were the AT versions of World elder dragons compared to Wilds? since we didnt see any elder dragon in Wilds, what this will means? the apex but not considering arkveld, magala and zohshia right now, they are the equivalent of the elder dragons from world? how the balance between these two games?

[wackyspartan]

I'd say the current AT we have is about as hard as AT nerg, if not harder as Rey Dau has a bit more than the high rank one does.

A high rank fight will never be a master rank fight, but it is is pretty close imo

[ѴIPΣR]

Originally posted by wackyspartan:

I'd say the current AT we have is about as hard as AT nerg, if not harder as Rey Dau has a bit more than the high rank one does.

oh, realy? I was expecting someone to come here and say: "any HR AT in world, would shred all the currently and upcoming AT apexes on wilds in half"

surprisingly astounding, so people should get a bit more chill, gaming is get frustrating for this back and forth about their dificulty, if the guys are thinking the current state of the game boring, go throw a stone in a police car, problem solved!

[L:D]

Originally posted by ѴIPΣR:

Originally posted by wackyspartan:

I'd say the current AT we have is about as hard as AT nerg, if not harder as Rey Dau has a bit more than the high rank one does.

oh, realy? I was expecting someone to come here and say: "any HR AT in world, would shred all the currently and upcoming AT apexes on wilds in half"

surprisingly astounding, so people should get a bit more chill, gaming is get frustrating for this back and forth about their dificulty, if the guys are thinking the current state of the game boring, go throw a stone in a police car, problem solved!

No, not really. Wilds current AT is more or less the same as AT teostra in world, but wilds AT can't kill you if you have your armor upgraded and of course you can capture it.

And if you felt like AT Namielle was easy you could just test it yourself, you have Wilds after all.

[wackyspartan]

Originally posted by ѴIPΣR:

Originally posted by wackyspartan:

I'd say the current AT we have is about as hard as AT nerg, if not harder as Rey Dau has a bit more than the high rank one does.

oh, realy? I was expecting someone to come here and say: "any HR AT in world, would shred all the currently and upcoming AT apexes on wilds in half"

surprisingly astounding, so people should get a bit more chill, gaming is get frustrating for this back and forth about their dificulty, if the guys are thinking the current state of the game boring, go throw a stone in a police car, problem solved!

Difficultly in different games is also a much, much more complicated conversation than people make it out to be. Like, if I was to discuss respective mechanics, AT nerg asks for a lot more mechanical efficiency because of the game being slower and the hitboxes being significantly worse, where AT Rey Dau is in a game with A LOT of mechanics to bypass stuff that it can't fully consider, but it still manages to ask of you to engage with it very actively in a way that's comparable to Nerg.

It's complicated, but that's my basic idea as to why I think it's harder

[ѴIPΣR]

Originally posted by L:D:

No, not really. Wilds current AT is more or less the same as AT teostra in world, but wilds AT can't kill you if you have your armor upgraded and of course you can capture it.

And if you felt like AT Namielle was easy you could just test it yourself, you have Wilds after all.

test what? where? I think I didnt understood, also I didnt say it was easy, I just said I had minor troubles with it, I've even failed it more than one time, mostly because I wasnt patience enough to avoid and gotten hit prety hard with its attacks

one thing i am curious is, when they begin to introduce elder dragons, and if they will, because if so before the expansion, how much they will be strong, they must be stronger than the current monsters of the game, very strange how this will develop, to me!

[ѴIPΣR]

Originally posted by wackyspartan:

Difficultly in different games is also a much, much more complicated conversation than people make it out to be. Like, if I was to discuss respective mechanics, AT nerg asks for a lot more mechanical efficiency because of the game being slower and the hitboxes being significantly worse, where AT Rey Dau is in a game with A LOT of mechanics to bypass stuff that it can't fully consider, but it still manages to ask of you to engage with it very actively in a way that's comparable to Nerg.

It's complicated, but that's my basic idea as to why I think it's harder

yea, happened to me youtube suggested some videos about the game, curiously the more catching videos were about the skill check walls in the game: nergigante and the divebomb, and barioth, which I didnt get trouble because I was very prepared for them

despisite my experience with the high rank of world, is hard to say, because I was enjoying the game, and not seeking the challenges, also when I reached to the very very endgame, I was already enough of the game, I've unlocked the guiding lands, hunted a few AT namielle, doesnt touched the siege missions of the game nor fought alatreon, because I used to think that those were multiplayer content, and I think the game was already on decline when i've quited it

that was not true, after the full release of rise on computer, people began to move back to world, and I think it world more active than before on the days previous to wilds...
Idk it was from my gathered experience from world (obviously I wasnt fresh, but I've developed faster than I did in world), wilds looked much easier for me

[L:D]

Originally posted by ѴIPΣR:

Originally posted by L:D:

No, not really. Wilds current AT is more or less the same as AT teostra in world, but wilds AT can't kill you if you have your armor upgraded and of course you can capture it.

And if you felt like AT Namielle was easy you could just test it yourself, you have Wilds after all.

test what? where? I think I didnt understood, also I didnt say it was easy, I just said I had minor troubles with it, I've even failed it more than one time, mostly because I wasnt patience enough to avoid and gotten hit prety hard with its attacks

one thing i am curious is, when they begin to introduce elder dragons, and if they will, because if so before the expansion, how much they will be strong, they must be stronger than the current monsters of the game, very strange how this will develop, to me!

Test AT Rey Dau, no? You have the game, go out there and test yourself to decide if it's hard or not. And i'm not trying to be mean saying this, but you should consider your own experience above anyone else.

I don't think they'll bring back elder dragons, if so we'll only see on expansion but even tho i doubt it.
If they do and they need to be harder compared to current AT, it's not going to be so hard to top that. AT Rey Dau doesn't add anything in the game, it's basically the same Rey Dau we fight over and over like, again, how AT teostra was released on world.

[Popcorn]

Imho, on par with AT Kirin.
Got stunned quite a lot from him, carted once because of my stun but overall, eh, capped it in 14min

[RobeRonin]

Originally posted by ѴIPΣR:

I've knew the monster hunter frenchise properly at 2020 with MHWI in a sale, didnt play it as soon when bought it, but when I've played the game already not receiving new updates, and I've played it solo all the time, and did not tried to find any tip of the game until i've reached master rank... i've stayed on lower ranks for a while, because I was realy enjoying random hunting elder dragons as soon as their appear, but I just found out the high rank AT missions when was on very deep master rank, and they werent not even close to the tempered master rank version of them, even did the AT namielle with minor trouble...

but the question here is, how hard were the AT versions of World elder dragons compared to Wilds? since we didnt see any elder dragon in Wilds, what this will means? the apex but not considering arkveld, magala and zohshia right now, they are the equivalent of the elder dragons from world? how the balance between these two games?

the temperd elders and dlc quests in worlds destroyed me when they where current ! wilds i walked over rey dau first attempt its night and day!

[Soji]

well it's only been AT Rey Dau right now which is arguably the easiest Apex already and they didn't give it any new attacks, just added lightning to it's already existing attacks that barely change how you have to dodge them. It's without a doubt easier than any AT Elder in Worlds besides maybe Kirin. They're honestly both similar in that the only way either is going to cart you is getting clipped by lightning, instastunned and then followed up on with another attack.

[Popcorn]

Originally posted by RobeRonin:

Originally posted by ѴIPΣR:

I've knew the monster hunter frenchise properly at 2020 with MHWI in a sale, didnt play it as soon when bought it, but when I've played the game already not receiving new updates, and I've played it solo all the time, and did not tried to find any tip of the game until i've reached master rank... i've stayed on lower ranks for a while, because I was realy enjoying random hunting elder dragons as soon as their appear, but I just found out the high rank AT missions when was on very deep master rank, and they werent not even close to the tempered master rank version of them, even did the AT namielle with minor trouble...

but the question here is, how hard were the AT versions of World elder dragons compared to Wilds? since we didnt see any elder dragon in Wilds, what this will means? the apex but not considering arkveld, magala and zohshia right now, they are the equivalent of the elder dragons from world? how the balance between these two games?

the temperd elders and dlc quests in worlds destroyed me when they where current ! wilds i walked over rey dau first attempt its night and day!

Originally posted by Soji:

well it's only been AT Rey Dau right now which is arguably the easiest Apex already and they didn't give it any new attacks, just added lightning to it's already existing attacks that barely change how you have to dodge them. It's without a doubt easier than any AT Elder in Worlds besides maybe Kirin. They're honestly both similar in that the only way either is going to cart you is getting clipped by lightning, instastunned and then followed up on with another attack.

*because it was my first MH game*

[Dagný]

What's stopping you from making a World HR set and fighting the AT monsters there the proper way?

AT Nami was released before Fatalis and Alatreon by the way. Alongside Kulve Taroth. If you're bullying AT Namielle with Fatalis or AT Velkhana gear that was not the proper experience when it was released as well.

[Varagonax]

Originally posted by L:D:

Originally posted by ѴIPΣR:

oh, realy? I was expecting someone to come here and say: "any HR AT in world, would shred all the currently and upcoming AT apexes on wilds in half"

surprisingly astounding, so people should get a bit more chill, gaming is get frustrating for this back and forth about their dificulty, if the guys are thinking the current state of the game boring, go throw a stone in a police car, problem solved!

No, not really. Wilds current AT is more or less the same as AT teostra in world, but wilds AT can't kill you if you have your armor upgraded and of course you can capture it.

And if you felt like AT Namielle was easy you could just test it yourself, you have Wilds after all.

TBF, Toaster couldnt kill you outside of his nova if you were paying attention to your health and had basic game knowledge. Im seeing a bunch of presumably newer players getting blasted by Ray Dau repeatedly, primarily melee players. Mostly just this one longsword guy. BUT, my lobby is filled with HR 300s predominately so I suppose most people are relatively well versed in how to fight the big bads of the MH universe.

[Popcorn]

Originally posted by Varagonax:

Originally posted by L:D:

No, not really. Wilds current AT is more or less the same as AT teostra in world, but wilds AT can't kill you if you have your armor upgraded and of course you can capture it.

And if you felt like AT Namielle was easy you could just test it yourself, you have Wilds after all.

TBF, Toaster couldnt kill you outside of his nova if you were paying attention to your health and had basic game knowledge. Im seeing a bunch of presumably newer players getting blasted by Ray Dau repeatedly, primarily melee players. Mostly just this one longsword guy. BUT, my lobby is filled with HR 300s predominately so I suppose most people are relatively well versed in how to fight the big bads of the MH universe.

I mean, you'd expect some people to get some knowledge of the monsters they're going to fight, no?

It's like in sports, practicing before the actual game

[Dagný]

Originally posted by Varagonax:

Originally posted by L:D:

No, not really. Wilds current AT is more or less the same as AT teostra in world, but wilds AT can't kill you if you have your armor upgraded and of course you can capture it.

And if you felt like AT Namielle was easy you could just test it yourself, you have Wilds after all.

TBF, Toaster couldnt kill you outside of his nova if you were paying attention to your health and had basic game knowledge. Im seeing a bunch of presumably newer players getting blasted by Ray Dau repeatedly, primarily melee players. Mostly just this one longsword guy. BUT, my lobby is filled with HR 300s predominately so I suppose most people are relatively well versed in how to fight the big bads of the MH universe.

I'm gonna be honest with you, i've been reading a lot of your posts since morning and you're either misremembering base game AT monsters in world, never actually did any testing or are an insane speedrunner with thousands or hours in that game.

So, which is it?

Can someone with basic game knowledge beat MR Teostra with HR gear? AT Teostra is on pair with MR Teostra, so is Lunastra by the way.