Artian Infusions and Roles

[Marvelicious]

I wanna make Artian weapons, 1 Raw, 1 of each element, 1 of each status for all weapon types.

Can anybody tell me what infusions is better for each?

What rolls would I be aiming for?

[MCNacho-ナチョ]

Originally posted by Marvelicious:

I wanna make Artian weapons, 1 Raw, 1 of each element, 1 of each status for all weapon types.

Can anybody tell me whats better for each? Or do all Longswords for example want 3 Affinity Infusions?

What rolls would I be aiming for?

if you play with charged swordmode or wounds than damage, if you just smack affinity.

damage is the meta for most artians, because you can hit weakpoint kinda easy.

for infusion all 3 same elements everything else is wasted

[Marvelicious]

Originally posted by MCNacho-ナチョ:

Originally posted by Marvelicious:

I wanna make Artian weapons, 1 Raw, 1 of each element, 1 of each status for all weapon types.

Can anybody tell me whats better for each? Or do all Longswords for example want 3 Affinity Infusions?

What rolls would I be aiming for?

if you play with charged swordmode or wounds than damage, if you just smack affinity.

damage is the meta for most artians, because you can hit weakpoint kinda easy.

for infusion all 3 same elements everything else is wasted

I want a collection of the best possible artian weapon of each element, of each status and also raw.

I like to have a 100% collection since I also work on getting all armor parts to max defense

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Marvelicious:

Artian Infusions and Roles
I wanna make Artian weapons, 1 Raw, 1 of each element, 1 of each status for all weapon types.

Can anybody tell me whats better for each? Or do all Longswords for example want 3 Affinity Infusions?

What rolls would I be aiming for?

All ATK with two sharpness

[MCNacho-ナチョ]

Originally posted by Marvelicious:

Originally posted by MCNacho-ナチョ:

if you play with charged swordmode or wounds than damage, if you just smack affinity.

damage is the meta for most artians, because you can hit weakpoint kinda easy.

for infusion all 3 same elements everything else is wasted

I want a collection of the best possible artian weapon of each element, of each status and also raw.

I like to have a 100% collection since I also work on getting all armor parts to max defense

my chocie
well best uhm.... longsword dragon/stun (dragon because you can knockdwon flying dragons easy out of the sky and its a nice extradamage)
double blade explosion
morphaxe stun

didnt tried others yet

[Marvelicious]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

Originally posted by Marvelicious:

Artian Infusions and Roles
I wanna make Artian weapons, 1 Raw, 1 of each element, 1 of each status for all weapon types.

Can anybody tell me whats better for each? Or do all Longswords for example want 3 Affinity Infusions?

What rolls would I be aiming for?

All ATK with two sharpness

So all attack infusions with 2 sharpness rolls and 3 atk rolls?

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Marvelicious:

Originally posted by アンジェル:

All ATK with two sharpness

So all attack infusions with 2 sharpness rolls and 3 atk rolls?

Correct.

Just think about it:

- affinity infusion is near worthless, as everyone who use affinity usually have their builds around affinity already, as in weakspot affinity; that is why you go on critical boost damage after covering that

- element is all nice but the extra elemental damage can be negated too easily with dragonblight and status elements have a cap in buildup, that is why you use decos instead of higher element damage values

- attack on the other hand gives a steady baseline, no matter which monster you fight, regardless of dragonblight which negates elements (e.g. Arkveld) and so on

- if the weapon loses sharpness too quickly even the best affinity or attack values are bad if you suddenly lose like 12% or even 27% damage values midfight

Anything but going for attack makes, unfortunately, very little sense considering how the majority of people make their builds. You could in theory go the other way around and max out attack decorations while going with the weapon for affinity, but it would not match with the lack of crit boost.

And by the long shot a pure atk build will be always better due to the % multiplicator - but that is a matter for the expansion where you would get better weapons and armour anyroads.

By the end of the day:

Artian weapons have very limited usage. They are great for their 3-3-3 decoration slots, and if you get a good roll they can be the best weapon available for a type.

However, most weapon types have superior default choices which come with lesser decoration slots, but already pre-set skill which usually is very supportive and useful, making up or even turns out to be better than the 3-3-3, plus additional stuff

For the Artian, you will have a hard time to get good rolls as math says the chances to get a good roll is circa 0,5%

[Marvelicious]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

Originally posted by Marvelicious:

So all attack infusions with 2 sharpness rolls and 3 atk rolls?

Correct.

Just think about it:

- affinity infusion is near worthless, as everyone who use affinity usually have their builds around affinity already, as in weakspot affinity; that is why you go on critical boost damage after covering that

- element is all nice but the extra elemental damage can be negated too easily with dragonblight and status elements have a cap in buildup, that is why you use decos instead of higher element damage values

- attack on the other hand gives a steady baseline, no matter which monster you fight, regardless of dragonblight which negates elements (e.g. Arkveld) and so on

- if the weapon loses sharpness too quickly even the best affinity or attack values are bad if you suddenly lose like 12% or even 27% damage values midfight

Anything but going for attack makes, unfortunately, very little sense considering how the majority of people make their builds. You could in theory go the other way around and max out attack decorations while going with the weapon for affinity, but it would not match with the lack of crit boost.

And by the long shot a pure atk build will be always better due to the % multiplicator - but that is a matter for the expansion where you would get better weapons and armour anyroads.

By the end of the day:

Artian weapons have very limited usage. They are great for their 3-3-3 decoration slots, and if you get a good roll they can be the best weapon available for a type.

However, most weapon types have superior default choices which come with lesser decoration slots, but already pre-set skill which usually is very supportive and useful, making up or even turns out to be better than the 3-3-3, plus additional stuff

For the Artian, you will have a hard time to get good rolls as math says the chances to get a good roll is circa 0,5%

Thank you so much for the indepth answer, now I can work on this :D

[Aoitenshi]

The current meta is Sharpness 1 and Attack 4 for all element/status, where one gem slot will be reserved for Razor Sharp/Handicraft, or Mastery if you don't have the former.

The reason why Affinity and Element is not meta is because they don't increase your damage by 2% or more (Attack's baseline). So for the infusions you'd also be using 3 Attack and 0 Affinity.

But as others have pointed out, the chance to roll Sharpness 1 Attack 4 is 0.5%. So getting one or two Affinity isn't the end of the world. Not sure about Element though.

[Jin [Medic]]

Originally posted by Aoitenshi:

The current meta is Sharpness 1 and Attack 4 for all element/status, where one gem slot will be reserved for Razor Sharp/Handicraft, or Mastery if you don't have the former.

The reason why Affinity and Element is not meta is because they don't increase your damage by 2% or more (Attack's baseline). So for the infusions you'd also be using 3 Attack and 0 Affinity.

But as others have pointed out, the chance to roll Sharpness 1 Attack 4 is 0.5%. So getting one or two Affinity isn't the end of the world. Not sure about Element though.

Actually, while this is *mostly* true, if you're going for elemental build with DB, 1 sharpness and 4 element is the "best". just that you then need one of those for each element, which is already pushing way harder than just getting one perfect roll.
And the fact that the damage output is very marginally better than just going full physical with 1 sharpness and 4 attack on a paralysis or blast DB when you can use these for pretty much any monster.

but yes, since these take hundreds and hundreds of rolls if you're unlucky, the difference isnt too big (and also much easier to use) if you go with 2 sharpness and 3 attack, and those drop pretty often.

[Weitsicht]

as someone who plays mainly bowguns i can say you dont need to bother with artian bowguns

as long as you cant change rapid fire from normal ammo to pierce or shotgun they are just worse than most normal craftable bowguns

[Aoitenshi]

Originally posted by Jin Medic:

Actually, while this is *mostly* true, if you're going for elemental build with DB, 1 sharpness and 4 element is the "best". just that you then need one of those for each element, which is already pushing way harder than just getting one perfect roll.

mb forgot to specify that it was meta for Long Sword since tc specifically mentioned that weapon

[Marvelicious]

Originally posted by Aoitenshi:

Originally posted by Jin Medic:

Actually, while this is *mostly* true, if you're going for elemental build with DB, 1 sharpness and 4 element is the "best". just that you then need one of those for each element, which is already pushing way harder than just getting one perfect roll.

mb forgot to specify that it was meta for Long Sword since tc specifically mentioned that weapon

I wrote all weapon types and just mentioned longsword as an example. I do want the perfect rolls and infusion choices for all 14 weapon types, for a raw version, one of each status and one of each element

[Marvelicious]

Originally posted by Aoitenshi:

Originally posted by Jin Medic:

Actually, while this is *mostly* true, if you're going for elemental build with DB, 1 sharpness and 4 element is the "best". just that you then need one of those for each element, which is already pushing way harder than just getting one perfect roll.

mb forgot to specify that it was meta for Long Sword since tc specifically mentioned that weapon

I already basically crafted all weapons in the game besides artian ones, this is just for collection purposes

[Aoitenshi]

Originally posted by Marvelicious:

I already basically crafted all weapons in the game besides artian ones, this is just for collection purposes

Wish you luck.

[Jin [Medic]]

Originally posted by Marvelicious:

Originally posted by Aoitenshi:

mb forgot to specify that it was meta for Long Sword since tc specifically mentioned that weapon

I already basically crafted all weapons in the game besides artian ones, this is just for collection purposes

enjoy having to craft and dismantle HUNDREDS of one artian weapon until you get that perfect roll

think it took me around 600 to get the perfect switch axe artian roll.