Doshaguma of the Hollow

[Fallen]

This seems to be poorly put together... or maybe it is just arena quests in general. From my perspective since i am not a tryhard sweater who mastered every weapon across all 20+ games of monster hunter, being forced to use weapons i do not use, and not only that even if i get used to them a bit, they are just bad picks kinda sucks.

it would be nice if i could choose a weapon i am used to, even if it was in the same tier.

managed to get down to 6:37 with greatsword though. bow was bad, insect glaive i cannot get used to for the life of me, and lance is just slower than great sword.

has anyone managed to get under 5 minutes with the greatsword at all? i would team up with other hunters but my connection is not the greatest, and olivia so far has been useless.

[Rune]

Oprindeligt skrevet af MINUANO GAMING:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rune:

my friend and I got a 3:42 in duos with me as greatsword, and him as heavybowgun
and even then we made mistakes and didnt play perfectly so we could cut our time down by a few seconds, I can promise you anyone getting 3:30 probably isn't cheating

3:42 in duos with two of the easier weapons seems doable, yeah

Go solo with something like the bow and 5 minutes cuts extremely close even with flawless gameplay

I'm not sure how the ranking is gonna work, if it's the top 10k overall or top 10k solo, top 10k duo, top 10k every weapon

if It's top 10k everything then it's completely unbalanced

It's top 10k Solo and 10k Duos, doesn't matter what weapon you use, so only 20k people will get the pendant.

[Rosalina]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rune:

It's top 10k Solo and 10k Duos, doesn't matter what weapon you use, so only 20k people will get the pendant.

This is so bad designed... Just give all A ranks a pendant... 50% of those go to cheaters anyways.

[MINUANO GAMING]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rune:

It's top 10k Solo and 10k Duos, doesn't matter what weapon you use, so only 20k people will get the pendant.

Ahh, that sucks. I managed to cut my time down a lot to 4:23 but I don't think a <4min bow solo is possible. Fastest I've seen was 4:06.

I got a 3:55 GS but it's not one of my main weapons, so I don't think I can go much lower than that, and doubt it'll make top 10k.

[Xiere]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rune:

It's top 10k Solo and 10k Duos, doesn't matter what weapon you use, so only 20k people will get the pendant.

Bad math. Also, many of the duos are someone with Olivia, so it'd be the top 10,000 solos, and then all players in the top 10,000 positions in duos, which excludes maybe about 400-800 players, due to Olivia.

[HexTraThirstyツ]

They have to scratch this FOMO ♥♥♥♥ anyway.
IF they give out pendants normally for this, even tho pretty much half of the top 10k are obviously cheating.. then this game will never get any positive review from myself, since that would be straight-up stupid.

They should just change the rewards for world ranking into stuff like Gold Eggs, Vouchers etc. - stuff you can farm.

Exclusive stuff as rewards has to be the dumbest thing possible.

[Jin [Medic]]

Oprindeligt skrevet af HexTraThirstyツ:

They have to scratch this FOMO ♥♥♥♥ anyway.
IF they give out pendants normally for this, even tho pretty much half of the top 10k are obviously cheating.. then this game will never get any positive review from myself, since that would be straight-up stupid.

They should just change the rewards for world ranking into stuff like Gold Eggs, Vouchers etc. - stuff you can farm.

Exclusive stuff as rewards has to be the dumbest thing possible.

already been a day or two since they posted they'll be giving out the 10k rewards to everyone that got an A instead of pushing their original intention due to cheaters, and also stated they'll scrap the whole idea of leaderboard exclusive rewards in any future arena quests. they also did purge around 4k runs on the solo leaderboards, tho they are getting filled up again with more cheaters. havent checked the duo leaderboards since i didnt compete for it, having a 2'08''08 solo record.

but yes, arena quests are about a true test of skills, stripping you of all the powerful skills and utilities you have on your gear, making you work with what they give you.
while i only play a few select weapons mostly, i could get an A with most melee weapons with either just my basic knowledge of said weapon and/or the patterns of the monster, or with a quick practice session in the training area. dont care of ranged so i didnt do that.

some weapon loadouts may be harder than others since they cant *all* be perfectly balanced (like the HH loadout being pretty strong in the current doshaguma challenge, provided you know how to use it) but all of them are designed to be able to get a solo A with some wiggle room if you play them well enough. And no, this is not with TA methods included. TA is a completely different story.

[Jessie]

Took me and bro about 6 tries, kept getting close to 5min mark, then we swapped weapons out, Glaive and HBG combo blew right past 5 mins and got 3:56

[Lecruidant]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Jin Medic:

Oprindeligt skrevet af HexTraThirstyツ:

They have to scratch this FOMO ♥♥♥♥ anyway.
IF they give out pendants normally for this, even tho pretty much half of the top 10k are obviously cheating.. then this game will never get any positive review from myself, since that would be straight-up stupid.

They should just change the rewards for world ranking into stuff like Gold Eggs, Vouchers etc. - stuff you can farm.

Exclusive stuff as rewards has to be the dumbest thing possible.

already been a day or two since they posted they'll be giving out the 10k rewards to everyone that got an A instead of pushing their original intention due to cheaters, and also stated they'll scrap the whole idea of leaderboard exclusive rewards in any future arena quests. they also did purge around 4k runs on the solo leaderboards, tho they are getting filled up again with more cheaters. havent checked the duo leaderboards since i didnt compete for it, having a 2'08''08 solo record.

but yes, arena quests are about a true test of skills, stripping you of all the powerful skills and utilities you have on your gear, making you work with what they give you.
while i only play a few select weapons mostly, i could get an A with most melee weapons with either just my basic knowledge of said weapon and/or the patterns of the monster, or with a quick practice session in the training area. dont care of ranged so i didnt do that.

some weapon loadouts may be harder than others since they cant *all* be perfectly balanced (like the HH loadout being pretty strong in the current doshaguma challenge, provided you know how to use it) but all of them are designed to be able to get a solo A with some wiggle room if you play them well enough. And no, this is not with TA methods included. TA is a completely different story.

So where exactly was this stated? Because I Don't see this anywhere. Just that they were looking at the numbers and cheaters. Not that everyone in A would get all the rewards.

[StarExile]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lecruidant:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Jin Medic:

already been a day or two since they posted they'll be giving out the 10k rewards to everyone that got an A instead of pushing their original intention due to cheaters, and also stated they'll scrap the whole idea of leaderboard exclusive rewards in any future arena quests. they also did purge around 4k runs on the solo leaderboards, tho they are getting filled up again with more cheaters. havent checked the duo leaderboards since i didnt compete for it, having a 2'08''08 solo record.

but yes, arena quests are about a true test of skills, stripping you of all the powerful skills and utilities you have on your gear, making you work with what they give you.
while i only play a few select weapons mostly, i could get an A with most melee weapons with either just my basic knowledge of said weapon and/or the patterns of the monster, or with a quick practice session in the training area. dont care of ranged so i didnt do that.

some weapon loadouts may be harder than others since they cant *all* be perfectly balanced (like the HH loadout being pretty strong in the current doshaguma challenge, provided you know how to use it) but all of them are designed to be able to get a solo A with some wiggle room if you play them well enough. And no, this is not with TA methods included. TA is a completely different story.

So where exactly was this stated? Because I Don't see this anywhere. Just that they were looking at the numbers and cheaters. Not that everyone in A would get all the rewards.

https://x.com/monsterhunter/status/1912105873326882924

[weirdkid5]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lecruidant:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Jin Medic:

already been a day or two since they posted they'll be giving out the 10k rewards to everyone that got an A instead of pushing their original intention due to cheaters, and also stated they'll scrap the whole idea of leaderboard exclusive rewards in any future arena quests. they also did purge around 4k runs on the solo leaderboards, tho they are getting filled up again with more cheaters. havent checked the duo leaderboards since i didnt compete for it, having a 2'08''08 solo record.

but yes, arena quests are about a true test of skills, stripping you of all the powerful skills and utilities you have on your gear, making you work with what they give you.
while i only play a few select weapons mostly, i could get an A with most melee weapons with either just my basic knowledge of said weapon and/or the patterns of the monster, or with a quick practice session in the training area. dont care of ranged so i didnt do that.

some weapon loadouts may be harder than others since they cant *all* be perfectly balanced (like the HH loadout being pretty strong in the current doshaguma challenge, provided you know how to use it) but all of them are designed to be able to get a solo A with some wiggle room if you play them well enough. And no, this is not with TA methods included. TA is a completely different story.

So where exactly was this stated? Because I Don't see this anywhere. Just that they were looking at the numbers and cheaters. Not that everyone in A would get all the rewards.

Look harder.

[StarExile]

Lol looks like we won't get pendant for a few more weeks because they are starting to investigate the results of the event and will be banning all cheaters.

Also anyone who gets banned will be permanently banned with no right to appeal.

https://www.monsterhunter.com/wilds/en-us/topics/unauthorized-modification-data/

https://x.com/MH_Wilds/status/1913175156228603937

[DaBa]

Oprindeligt skrevet af StarExile:

Lol looks like we won't get pendant for a few more weeks because they are starting to investigate the results of the event and will be banning all cheaters. :mhwilds_grr:

Also anyone who gets banned will be permanently banned with no right to appeal. :Emil:

https://www.monsterhunter.com/wilds/en-us/topics/unauthorized-modification-data/

https://x.com/MH_Wilds/status/1913175156228603937

You sure you read it? Because none of this say anything about them investigating any of the cheating in the arena, or them handing out "permanent bans" for it, this is literally just a PSA about people posting modified quests online.

And even if they wanted to do this for the arena quests, genuine question: how do you imagine they would "investigate"? Besides getting rid of the blatantly obvious cheated runs that took a few seconds. Do you really think they have implemented anything in the game that would allow them to figure out if a person who got a 2 minute run with a HH is cheating, or if they are actually just really good? It's a possible time, and honestly not that hard to get if you just watch how somebody else has done it and copy it. I managed to get a sub 3min run myself simply by copying the strategy from the video, and it took me like 10 attempts.

For Capcom to have any shot at figuring this out properly they would need some SERIOUS telemetry. And let me ask you this: do you really think Capcom cares enough to spend all this time implementing something this complex for the sole purpose of weedng out arena quest cheaters? Do you think the opportunity cost here is justified? Not even remotely.

As I said before, the best you can hope for is they will get rid of all the obvious cheaters, and then leave the rest be. That's the only, realistic thing they CAN do without screwing over any innocent people. They wouldn't want pissing off anybody and losing out on potential DLC sales, would they?

[SapienChavez]

These quests were originally called, "Training School" for a reason! iirc, they were single player, in the first two games.

Training School is what made me the hunter I am. Hammer v Rajang was considered one of the hardest quests in MH, at the time (and may still be in the top5, honestly) and is what made me a Hammer Bros from then on.

Plesioth v Heavy Bowgun was another nightmare quest and one of the hardest all time. Made the HBGer I am today.

Youll get there!

[StarExile]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DaBa:

Oprindeligt skrevet af StarExile:

Lol looks like we won't get pendant for a few more weeks because they are starting to investigate the results of the event and will be banning all cheaters.

Also anyone who gets banned will be permanently banned with no right to appeal.

https://www.monsterhunter.com/wilds/en-us/topics/unauthorized-modification-data/

https://x.com/MH_Wilds/status/1913175156228603937

You sure you read it? Because none of this say anything about them investigating any of the cheating in the arena, or them handing out "permanent bans" for it, this is literally just a PSA about people posting modified quests online.

And even if they wanted to do this for the arena quests, genuine question: how do you imagine they would "investigate"? Besides getting rid of the blatantly obvious cheated runs that took a few seconds. Do you really think they have implemented anything in the game that would allow them to figure out if a person who got a 2 minute run with a HH is cheating, or if they are actually just really good? It's a possible time, and honestly not that hard to get if you just watch how somebody else has done it and copy it. I managed to get a sub 3min run myself simply by copying the strategy from the video, and it took me like 10 attempts.

For Capcom to have any shot at figuring this out properly they would need some SERIOUS telemetry. And let me ask you this: do you really think Capcom cares enough to spend all this time implementing something this complex for the sole purpose of weedng out arena quest cheaters? Do you think the opportunity cost here is justified? Not even remotely.

As I said before, the best you can hope for is they will get rid of all the obvious cheaters, and then leave the rest be. That's the only, realistic thing they CAN do without screwing over any innocent people. They wouldn't want pissing off anybody and losing out on potential DLC sales, would they?

Yeah i watched stream of a guy covering this, here is twiter about it https://imgur.com/a/Ni5Yldz
cant find direct link to the post its in japaneese somewhere lol.

Also, the fact that they finally realized it's time to start banning cheaters is great news. How they're gonna implement it is their business.

[I3lood_Dr4gon]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Fallen:

This seems to be poorly put together... or maybe it is just arena quests in general. From my perspective since i am not a tryhard sweater who mastered every weapon across all 20+ games of monster hunter, being forced to use weapons i do not use, and not only that even if i get used to them a bit, they are just bad picks kinda sucks.

it would be nice if i could choose a weapon i am used to, even if it was in the same tier.

managed to get down to 6:37 with greatsword though. bow was bad, insect glaive i cannot get used to for the life of me, and lance is just slower than great sword.

has anyone managed to get under 5 minutes with the greatsword at all? i would team up with other hunters but my connection is not the greatest, and olivia so far has been useless.

as some said, its just really strategy basically (and luck)
first yeah ofc its that you have set weapons for a regulation
2nd you dont have to master any weapon to get gud times, i myself am just a gs guy yet i used hbg with a random togather and we made it to 4:37 (while i mostly got dmg) so just team up and be patient i had 10min run with ig eventho i play also ig so yh