To Those Complaining About Zoh Shia Kill Times

[weirdkid5]

Hate to break it to you, if it's taking you 20 or more minutes to kill him and you're wondering why, it isn't cause he has a massive health pool. It's because you either don't know his patterns, you have a gear issue, or hear me out, you have a skill issue. This was my 2nd attempt killing him and first one I ran solo, first time was with a single friend.

Mind you, I got slapped around like a ragdoll and wasn't very good at dealing with his patterns since I don't know them 100% yet. By no means am I a speedrunner or claiming that this is even a good time.

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Everyone was complaining about how the game is easy, well, here's a monster you actually need to gear up for. Even with my VERY suboptimal play I killed him in under 20 minutes. If I played optimally and stopped getting hit so much, I could probably shave this time down to 14 minutes or a little faster. News flash, that's standard Elder Dragon hunt time for the AVERAGE MH player that's actually trying to have a somewhat decent build.

His health isn't bloated. You're just under prepared.

[newbnooby]

yeah, we'll get better eventually. My first and 2nd try is failure, my third is 24 mins, down to 14 mins on my 6th run. The fight itself is epic. Its a good direction I think. I imagine AT Rey Dau would hit even harder than this.

[weirdkid5]

newbnooby lähetti viestin:

yeah, we'll get better eventually. My first and 2nd try is failure, my third is 24 mins, down to 14 mins on my 6th run. The fight itself is epic. Its a good direction I think. I imagine AT Rey Dau would hit even harder than this.

I agree. I think it's a pretty good fight. I'm also a lore nut so I enjoy Zoh as a concept in general. Listen carefully and you can hear the Fatalis theme chanting during the 2nd phase.

Newer players just need to understand if the fight is a slog, it's most likely cause of gear or lack of pattern recognition.

[Cryptic Deets]

Stop basing the game around the top 1% of the damn population. There is a reason this title over ALL the other monster hunter games is successful. Its appealing to casuals, so if Zoh Shia is the metric of how hard and hp sponge future updates will be the game will hemorrhage players. He is overtuned in the HP aspect by at least 20-25%. Who cares if spee d runners and experts can beat him in under 17 mins when the average player is hitting 30 minutes and wiping. This isn't a get gud brag time, its a fine balance that is needed but its not old MH fans that built up the 10 million sales, that I can promise you.

[weirdkid5]

Cryptic Deets lähetti viestin:

Stop basing the game around the top 1% of the damn population. There is a reason this title over ALL the other monster hunter games is successful. Its appealing to casuals, so if Zoh Shia is the metric of how hard and hp sponge future updates will be the game will hemorrhage players. He is overtuned in the HP aspect by at least 20-25%. Who cares if spee d runners and experts can beat him in under 17 mins when the average player is hitting 30 minutes and wiping. This isn't a get gud brag time, its a fine balance that is needed but its not old MH fans that built up the 10 million sales, that I can promise you.

I'm not a speedrunner. I literally said as such and even said this isn't even a good time.

The guy who first commented said he failed the first two times and eventually got down to 14minutes on his 6th attempt. Because he got better at the fight. He didn't come whining to the forums about kill times. He buckled down and got better.

That's not top 1%. That's average Elder Dragon kill times for average players.

People need to gear better before they complain about kill times. This game doesn't need to be any easier by no means.

[DigitalCam]

It will definitely take more than 20 minutes if you are in a party of 4. Monsters' health pool scales with the number of players.

[weirdkid5]

DigitalCam lähetti viestin:

It will definitely take more than 20 minutes if you are in a party of 4. Monsters' health pool scales with the number of players.

Not really. 4 player scaling is 234%. So if all 4 players are actually carrying their own weight, it's still very possible to get well under 20 minutes, especially if you can do 14 or less solo based on what the first commenter said.

If you have a weak link, then absolutely it will take longer. But this is why I also don't play with randoms. I try to help others with stuff like Tempered Gore and there's often that one guy that doubles or triple carts.

So again, even with 4 players, it boils down to the same thing. Gear or skill issue.

[iSpeed]

Cryptic Deets lähetti viestin:

Stop basing the game around the top 1% of the damn population. There is a reason this title over ALL the other monster hunter games is successful. Its appealing to casuals, so if Zoh Shia is the metric of how hard and hp sponge future updates will be the game will hemorrhage players. He is overtuned in the HP aspect by at least 20-25%. Who cares if spee d runners and experts can beat him in under 17 mins when the average player is hitting 30 minutes and wiping. This isn't a get gud brag time, its a fine balance that is needed but its not old MH fans that built up the 10 million sales, that I can promise you.

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[JaykobeS]

weirdkid5 lähetti viestin:

DigitalCam lähetti viestin:

It will definitely take more than 20 minutes if you are in a party of 4. Monsters' health pool scales with the number of players.

Not really. 4 player scaling is 234%. So if all 4 players are actually carrying their own weight, it's still very possible to get well under 20 minutes, especially if you can do 14 or less solo based on what the first commenter said.

If you have a weak link, then absolutely it will take longer. But this is why I also don't play with randoms. I try to help others with stuff like Tempered Gore and there's often that one guy that doubles or triple carts.

So again, even with 4 players, it boils down to the same thing. Gear or skill issue.

I nearly got sub 12 with randoms on my second hunt. You just need to avoid sos flares with low hunter ranks.

[Johnson B. Tittywack]

People we're crying about the game being too easy then the very next patch they are saying its too hard.

The modern gamer is so pathetic.

[palacentes]

DigitalCam lähetti viestin:

It will definitely take more than 20 minutes if you are in a party of 4. Monsters' health pool scales with the number of players.

not quite. The monster doesnt get 4x more health for 4 people. It would get like 240%? I forgot the exact number, but each guy has to deal w 60-70% HP. It will seem like more if someone is not fighting right.

It can be harder if 2+ players dont know how to deal w nukes and consistently die to them.

[Glaugast]

Yeah the boss is fine, does feel like a slog towards the end but its a decent fight, actually got ended, luckily my palico revived me. My first clear was just under 20 minutes, got tossed around, especially by those nuke fireballs, their explosion hitbox is deceptively big. Paid off in the end though, as I cut off it's tail and got a gem as a carve reward.

[DOOM]

This fight feels terrible on lance. So many of his attacks are just straight up un-blockable, which kinda ruins its entire gimmick. You dont even have the mobility to dodge them either.

[Ginnungagap]

This hunt is great. I'm glad its around 20 minutes long.

[weirdkid5]

DOOM lähetti viestin:

This fight feels terrible on lance. So many of his attacks are just straight up un-blockable, which kinda ruins its entire gimmick. You dont even have the mobility to dodge them either.

I assume you're running Guard Up? I don't use Lance and I haven't tried my S&S on this hunt yet. I don't imagine his nuke is blockable at all but again, haven't ran a shield weapon against this guy yet.

Either that or you're getting hit in the back cause hitboxes for some of the attacks are huge.

[DOOM]

weirdkid5 lähetti viestin:

DOOM lähetti viestin:

This fight feels terrible on lance. So many of his attacks are just straight up un-blockable, which kinda ruins its entire gimmick. You dont even have the mobility to dodge them either.

I assume you're running Guard Up? I don't use Lance and I haven't tried my S&S on this hunt yet. I don't imagine his nuke is blockable at all but again, haven't ran a shield weapon against this guy yet.

Either that or you're getting hit in the back cause hitboxes for some of the attacks are huge.

Its mainly the attack where he shoots flames straight down at you. Even with a perfect guard it still does its full damage and knocks you back. My first attempt at him he just kept spamming it and id die extremely quick.

Also yeah i have guard up.