Artian weapons: Worth it?

[Keeva]

I've heard that they're the "new meta" or whatever, but considering the effort you put in to them (buying then spending loads of ores), they don't come out much better than regular top tier weapons, and a lot of the time worse. For example, I made the tier 8 long sword and rolled it once with all 5 upgrades and I had (from memory):

+30 element
+5 attack
+5 attack
+5 attack
Sharpness

That was on top of the base of 70 element and 190 damage (pushing element to 100 and attack to 205). Now compared to the lala barina weapon tier 8 it was about the same damage and about 150 less element.

What am I missing? Is that it? At BEST roll, I can add 25 damage or 150 element but this takes farming for hours for ONE WEAPON hoping for a good roll. Then do it again for every element? Something is off there, or I'm missing something. Think I'll be sticking to regular weapons

(above figures are all with attack value compensation turned off btw)

[Parmak]

Artian weapons are generally pretty ass and people are just drooling over them for no reason. The actual monster weapons are where it's at 90% of the time since they come with skills built into them for free, often several deco slots worth of skills too while Artian doesn't.

Artian weapons are basically the "jingling keys" of this game for people who think endgame is just getting the best gear with the highest number. When really the game has 100s of hours of interesting side content to explore and experience.

[Katitoff]

They are relevant exclusively to absolute min-maxers and speed runners.

If you're not one of these two, run what you like instead.

Compared to normal monster weapons, with S-tier perfect rolls you'll shave off 10-15 seconds of the run as a speedrunner.

[Maiden Lightlina]

They aren't wowing me tbh, a lot of the normal weapons seem to be better, we need another tier before they become must haves, the only upside to them is the 3 level 3 slots, so you can choose which abilites you want vs the innate ones the normal weapons have. but right now, i personally don't think they are worth the resources, better to save them untill they get another upgrade tier.

Edit: distilled it down to one post as i got aggroed by a troll that doesn't actually understand the game.

Basic summery, they aren't worth the waste of materials due to how underpowered they are, i really got to stop giving trolls (who love calling me a troll because they get defeated in an argument) any attention, it tends to go no where.

[Zordiark Darkeater]

Artian Weapons are the best of the best IF you get good RNG with with it and get the stats you want.

Its also the ONLY weapon that has 3x3 deco slots helping you make anybuild you want.

[Tarv]

I don't have the patience but wonder if anyone tested how much time they actually saved on an average hunt using a regular t8 weapon vs Artian

[Aldroen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Holyna, The High Seraph:

They aren't wowing me tbh, a lot of the normal weapons seem to be better, we need another tier before they become must haves, the only upside to them is the 3 level 3 slots, so you can choose which abilites you want vs the innate ones the normal weapons have. but right now, i personally don't think they are worth the resources, better to save them untill they get another upgrade tier.

You can dismantle them and get the exact same amount of ore you put into them so there is no reason to not invest and see if rng goods will smile upon you.

[Louis Cypher]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Parmak:

Artian weapons are generally pretty ass and people are just drooling over them for no reason. The actual monster weapons are where it's at 90% of the time since they come with skills built into them for free, often several deco slots worth of skills too while Artian doesn't.

Artian weapons are basically the "jingling keys" of this game for people who think endgame is just getting the best gear with the highest number. When really the game has 100s of hours of interesting side content to explore and experience.

and if those people want ot farm Artian, let them - you camn experience the side content, discover stuff and farm fort artian at the same time

[Aoitenshi]

I already got my perfect artian blast long sword, but I'm maining the Lala Barina sword because I care more about fashion than numbers.

[Aldroen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Holyna, The High Seraph:

You don't get the materials you used to make the weapon back though, which is a lot of rng and different types, so yes, there is a reason not to waste them, and a weapon not upgraded is absolutely worse than the originals.

so yeah, it's not worth it.

I mean you COULD save scum or just not save and just keep reloading until RNG favors you, but that is a lot of effort to fight for what is more or less side grades.

The only weapon that seems to slightly edge out for me was a water LBG, but even then, i don't feel proud of it.

You mean the parts ? They are easy to farm and once you hit HR 100 you can re use the old parts to make the specific you want and only rng is with element and infusion at that point so its very little and I usually get what I want easily and at this point I have multiple of every type.

Also what is the point of keeping them ? Parts are tied to the rank so if they make rank 9 weapons all those parts become useless anyway. Ore is the only hard part to get and that can be fully refunded with dismantle.

[Aldroen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Holyna, The High Seraph:

You're not getting it, and i'm not going to keep trying to teach you.

You lose materials for making the weapon, does not matter that you can farm them.

it's not worth it for side grades. period. i have 2 and they really don't perform any better then normal weapons, i didn't think this was hard to understand.

What materials ? Did you actually played the game or just watch some people on YT ?

Explain exactly what MATERIALS you are talking about ?

If you dont find a reason to engage the system that is fine, but there is absolute zero reason to avoid it either.

[Aldroen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Holyna, The High Seraph:

Play the game and come back, or you're just being willfully ignorant.

You are the one who does not even own on it steam..... so for all I know you are just a troll.

Tell me what Material. Exact name of it and we can talk otherwise you have no idea what you are talking about. Until then I am not wasting my time with you.

[Arngrim]

A perfect roll Artian is usually a tiny bit stronger than monster part stuff.
Not worth chasing imo.
I do like that you can put any element or ailment on any class of weapon though and the triple 3-slot is nice.

In general, no they’re extremely overrated and not worth the effort at all. The best roll one can get on an Artian weapon in general would arguably be something like 3/4 x +5 Attack (or element) and 2/1 x Sharpness, which gives 220 True raw (or a large value of Element) and is comparable to most craftable weapons. Although getting such perfect roll might take an humongous amount of grinding. The maximum amount of skills on an Artian is 12, while on a normal its just 10. Lvl 4 decos also can take a long time to grind and most of the time some of the best ones are simple lvl 3 Critical eye or critical boost.
I can tell the only instances where an Artian weapon can be significantly superior to a normal one:
Paralysis CB: Good raw with impact phials and enough space to get Load Shells, Rapid Morph, Offensive guard (or something) and some levels of Guard, Slugger and Handicraft.
Elemental IGs, SnS, DBs and Bs: The amount of element in theory can be insanely high, although so far vs all Monsters it kind of falls flat (and there’s the Critical Element “problem”).
Can’t honestly think of another instance. Normal high true raw GS, H, SA, LS, L with good innate skills at best only lose in DPS by less than 2% to a Perfect Artian. Normal HH have the best melodies. Highest true raw GL (with low sharpness) has the best shelling damage. HBG and BG have more ammo types and even in elemental damage are superior.

[Mikbane]

As a charge blade user, i like using a poison artian weapon so that i'm not forced into guarding, or draw attacks.

I Like having the ability to customize how i want to play with the weapon, not necessarily to be the best, just how i want to play. The three level 3 deco slots really help with that. All of the top tier monster weapons are great too, and have their advantages also. All about play style in my opinion.

With all of the hunting rewards, and the amount of apex and tempered monster to hunt to get some achievements you'll likely have a surplus of parts anyway so may as well have some fun making some weapons. :D

[Umbral Priestess]

No, they aren't, they seem too weak to bother with it, i know no matter how hard i tried, i couldn't get hammer better than the glav one.

Maybe next major update they make them worth using. or maybe it's just for very specific weapons where they show, the all 3 slots are nice, but those seem to be to make up for the fact they don't come with a skill like all weapons do.

in short: they are vastly overrated and i just ignore them now.