Lore question: was it ever explained in any game of the franchise why hunters are ridiculously strong for a human?

[El Macho]

We swing giant weapons like its a piece of toilet paper.. Jump several stories high cliff and perfectly landed on two feet.. clashes with monsters 10x our size..

[Bruva Guren]

iirc, some ancient wyverians did something to our ancestors that culminates into the Hunter culture, or maybe we're built differently from the start

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by El Macho:

Lore question: was it ever explained in any game of the franchise why hunters are ridiculously strong for a human?
We swing giant weapons like its a piece of toilet paper.. Jump several stories high cliff and perfectly landed on two feet.. clashes with monsters 10x our size..

I like the MH:W idea, which describes how the environment is so strong, and that due to the food the hunters eat they became naturally strong too. Same reason why monsters can grow so abundant and powerful to begin with.

[Null Winter]

If you crack open the older games and the lorebooks that pretty much never left Japan, it's vaguely hinted that hunters are genetically modified (by the ever mysterious ancient civilization) humans whose latent "superior genes" carry down through family trees and get activated by... hunting and eating monsters. Which makes them rapidly stack on muscle mass, among other things.

In World (and, hilariously, Marvel VS Capcom), it's further implied there is so much "generic, vague life essence" in everything in the Monster Hunter world that basically any being living there for an extended period of time can go far beyond Earth-equivalent limits just by breathing the air and eating the food. This actually contradicts the existence of super passive, weak, and helpless generic civilians in the setting, because they're breathing the same air and eating the same food as hunters yet never get mondo buff and instead actively stain their clothing when they so much as see anything bigger than a seikret.

In this game, CAPCOM finally stopped tip-toeing around the issue and straight up confirms the ancient civilization, called Wyveria, engaged in mass-scale genetic engineering and modification. They effectively went full on Rainworld and made a lot of purpose-built lifeforms who then proliferated and evolved on their own after Wyveria fell and their designated tasks were no longer valid. This makes the OG lore and theories seem a lot more likely than the newer World's and crossover materials.

[El Macho]

Originally posted by Null Winter:

If you crack open the older games and the lorebooks that pretty much never left Japan, it's vaguely hinted that hunters are genetically modified (by the ever mysterious ancient civilization) humans whose latent "superior genes" carry down through family trees and get activated by... hunting and eating monsters. Which makes them rapidly stack on muscle mass, among other things.

In World (and, hilariously, Marvel VS Capcom), it's further implied there is so much "generic, vague life essence" in everything in the Monster Hunter world that basically any being living there for an extended period of time can go far beyond Earth-equivalent limits just by breathing the air and eating the food. This actually contradicts the existence of super passive, weak, and helpless generic civilians in the setting, because they're breathing the same air and eating the same food as hunters yet never get mondo buff and instead actively stain their clothing when they so much as see anything bigger than a seikret.

In this game, CAPCOM finally stopped tip-toeing around the issue and straight up confirms the ancient civilization, called Wyveria, engaged in mass-scale genetic engineering and modification. They effectively went full on Rainworld and made a lot of purpose-built lifeforms who then proliferated and evolved on their own after Wyveria fell and their designated tasks were no longer valid. This makes the OG lore and theories seem a lot more likely than the newer World's and crossover materials.

I see. In world, Fatalis was described and told to be a Elder Dragon so powerful it wiped out an entire civilization in one night. I'm guessing that civilization is the wyveria?

[Null Winter]

Originally posted by El Macho:

I see. In world, Fatalis was described and told to be a Elder Dragon so powerful it wiped out an entire civilization in one night. I'm guessing that civilization is the wyveria?

We don't know! I'd be surprised if a single Fatalis accomplished that, given that Wyveria in this game has a creature on par with Fatalis, referencing the Equal Dragon Weapon from the lorebooks specifically designed to kill things like Fatalis while being under outside control. Your character will reference the final boss looking vaguely like Fatalis during the fight, though.

From the evidence we're given, it's entirely possible the base level Fatalis took out all of one pre-gunpowder medieval kingdom, which is "a civilization".

[The Debauchery]

Originally posted by El Macho:

Lore question: was it ever explained in any game of the franchise why hunters are ridiculously strong for a human?

We swing giant weapons like its a piece of toilet paper.. Jump several stories high cliff and perfectly landed on two feet.. clashes with monsters 10x our size..

What makes you think it is just the Hunters that are different?
How can something as big as Rathalos fly and still be tough enough to shrug off most of our attacks? And that is to say nothing of bigger things like Fatalis.
Jump several stories high cliff, you say... but in MHGU you can jump off the top of the Ruined Pinnacle all the way to the bottom.... or in the 3rd generation when you can jump off the volcano and fall half its entire height down to the ground below without sustaining any damage. Like the human body isn't even heavy enough to achieve a fatal velocity in the Monster Hunter world no matter how far it falls.

You want to know my theory?

Everything is scaled down.

No really... just think about it for a second... if the "humans" in the MH world are literally the size they appear on the screen during regular play, EVERYTHING makes more sense. Humans are about 5 inches tall in MH. Rathalos is about the size of a chicken. That is how it can fly. People can swing around greatswords like it nothing the same way ants can carry items several times their own size: because that is how the square cubed law works with tiny things.

How is that for a theory?

[Mander]

Originally posted by El Macho:

Originally posted by Null Winter:

If you crack open the older games and the lorebooks that pretty much never left Japan, it's vaguely hinted that hunters are genetically modified (by the ever mysterious ancient civilization) humans whose latent "superior genes" carry down through family trees and get activated by... hunting and eating monsters. Which makes them rapidly stack on muscle mass, among other things.

In World (and, hilariously, Marvel VS Capcom), it's further implied there is so much "generic, vague life essence" in everything in the Monster Hunter world that basically any being living there for an extended period of time can go far beyond Earth-equivalent limits just by breathing the air and eating the food. This actually contradicts the existence of super passive, weak, and helpless generic civilians in the setting, because they're breathing the same air and eating the same food as hunters yet never get mondo buff and instead actively stain their clothing when they so much as see anything bigger than a seikret.

In this game, CAPCOM finally stopped tip-toeing around the issue and straight up confirms the ancient civilization, called Wyveria, engaged in mass-scale genetic engineering and modification. They effectively went full on Rainworld and made a lot of purpose-built lifeforms who then proliferated and evolved on their own after Wyveria fell and their designated tasks were no longer valid. This makes the OG lore and theories seem a lot more likely than the newer World's and crossover materials.

I see. In world, Fatalis was described and told to be a Elder Dragon so powerful it wiped out an entire civilization in one night. I'm guessing that civilization is the wyveria?

Yep.
Fatalis was "sorta" an accident the ancient civilization did not account for: a weapon which outgrew its purpose (or a natural response to their hubris) and choose violence against them. With great success.
We don’t know much about the ancient civilization (were they good or evil?), but we know they were mostly uncaring of the consequences of their action and played fast and loose with the lives of their own creation.
It has surprised me to discover that Odogaron was a species created from the ground up from the Ancient: I imagine someone rich and bored (an “elevated” fool) guy constructed a monster doggo just because, only to sell the blueprint to the military when he grew bored of it, which used it to patrol the walls of the city.

Also, if you look closely to the artian armor, it is apparent that it was donned by “something” or someone who, if human, needed to be heavily mutilated to use it. Biological drones, utterly expendable, with almost reality breaking weapons (if you believe the descriptions, at least).

And after the fall, humanity has… branched out, donning the shapes the ancient civilization imposed on it (wyverians may have been humans too, possibly the ruling class of the ancient civilization who “perfected” their biology), trying to rediscover a world which fell to a verdant chaos of new life forms. With the guild of hunters studying and trying to preserve what little of the past is left.

[Null Winter]

Originally posted by Mander:

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Where's the confirmation that Fatalis was itself either an artificial lifeform or a direct evolutionary response to them? I also don't see hard evidence that it was specifically Fatalis that led to their specific ruin; if anything, existing evidence suggests it wasn't because they had greater monsters and technology than Fatalis' "I breath fire real good".

A lot of this feels like head-canon. :P

[Mander]

Originally posted by Null Winter:

Originally posted by Mander:

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Where's the confirmation that Fatalis was itself either an artificial lifeform or a direct evolutionary response to them? I also don't see hard evidence that it was specifically Fatalis that led to their specific ruin; if anything, existing evidence suggests it wasn't because they had greater monsters and technology than Fatalis' "I breath fire real good".

A lot of this feels like head-canon. :P

From GenU Fatalis description:

"Stories of this legendary dragon date back to antiquity. Many skilled hunters have sought to challenge it, but none have ever returned. A monster shrouded in mystery..."

So, Fatalis, as an idea, has been around for a very long time.

Iceborne description:
"A legendary black dragon known only as Fatalis. Rumored to have destroyed a kingdom in a single night, and has taken its castle for a roost."

Castel Shrade could have been an outpost of the ancient civilization (supported by the "ancient weapons" we find around the arena. And if Fatalis can level a city once, he can do it again and again and again and again...
Helped maybe by other monsters who rebelled their creators.
It also flows with the narrative of the Ancient Civilization being... unprepared for the consequences of their own creations. Their “monsters”, created by hubris and harvested as resources (equal dragon weapon) and hardly cared for as life forms, rebelled. Who would have thought?

And if we have standing proof in Wilds that Wyveria could create artificial life ex-nihilo, personally, I don’t have the need to find another culprit for Fatalis creation.

[Null Winter]

Originally posted by Mander:

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Rumors, even in canon. Shrade's design doesn't match the ancient civilization's usual tech or structural designs. Dragon-killer weapons and machines are often scavenged, moved, and copied by later civilizations. I just don't see it as "confirmed".

[El Macho]

Originally posted by Mander:

Originally posted by Null Winter:

Where's the confirmation that Fatalis was itself either an artificial lifeform or a direct evolutionary response to them? I also don't see hard evidence that it was specifically Fatalis that led to their specific ruin; if anything, existing evidence suggests it wasn't because they had greater monsters and technology than Fatalis' "I breath fire real good".

A lot of this feels like head-canon. :P

From GenU Fatalis description:

"Stories of this legendary dragon date back to antiquity. Many skilled hunters have sought to challenge it, but none have ever returned. A monster shrouded in mystery..."

So, Fatalis, as an idea, has been around for a very long time.

Iceborne description:
"A legendary black dragon known only as Fatalis. Rumored to have destroyed a kingdom in a single night, and has taken its castle for a roost."

Castel Shrade could have been an outpost of the ancient civilization (supported by the "ancient weapons" we find around the arena. And if Fatalis can level a city once, he can do it again and again and again and again...
Helped maybe by other monsters who rebelled their creators.
It also flows with the narrative of the Ancient Civilization being... unprepared for the consequences of their own creations. Their “monsters”, created by hubris and harvested as resources (equal dragon weapon) and hardly cared for as life forms, rebelled. Who would have thought?

And if we have standing proof in Wilds that Wyveria could create artificial life ex-nihilo, personally, I don’t have the need to find another culprit for Fatalis creation.

I also read a lore about the fatalis armor being cursed because fatalis "collects" hunters and have them melded in to its skin.. making the hunter insane and slowly turning them into fatalis? if that were true, then its basically a cycle of life and death? making Fatalis technically an artificial life?

[Mander]

Originally posted by Null Winter:

Originally posted by Mander:

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Rumors, even in canon. Shrade's design doesn't match the ancient civilization's usual tech or structural designs. Dragon-killer weapons and machines are often scavenged, moved, and copied by later civilizations. I just don't see it as "confirmed".

Yeah, because every city in the world is shaped the very same way, with the same architecture....
Military outposts all have the same grandeur of a well lived city...
And THE black dragon nesting in a destroyed city just happens by chance. Not because he razed it to the ground (as he did before many times).

I’m not interested in convincing you or changing your views, mind it.
We just have more than 20 years of speculations and circumstantial evidence aimed a certain way.
I’m satisfied with the interpretation resulting from all that, that Fatalis was the deciding actor for the fall of the Ancient Civilization.

[Mander]

Originally posted by El Macho:

Originally posted by Mander:

From GenU Fatalis description:

"Stories of this legendary dragon date back to antiquity. Many skilled hunters have sought to challenge it, but none have ever returned. A monster shrouded in mystery..."

So, Fatalis, as an idea, has been around for a very long time.

Iceborne description:
"A legendary black dragon known only as Fatalis. Rumored to have destroyed a kingdom in a single night, and has taken its castle for a roost."

Castel Shrade could have been an outpost of the ancient civilization (supported by the "ancient weapons" we find around the arena. And if Fatalis can level a city once, he can do it again and again and again and again...
Helped maybe by other monsters who rebelled their creators.
It also flows with the narrative of the Ancient Civilization being... unprepared for the consequences of their own creations. Their “monsters”, created by hubris and harvested as resources (equal dragon weapon) and hardly cared for as life forms, rebelled. Who would have thought?

And if we have standing proof in Wilds that Wyveria could create artificial life ex-nihilo, personally, I don’t have the need to find another culprit for Fatalis creation.

I also read a lore about the fatalis armor being cursed because fatalis "collects" hunters and have them melded in to its skin.. making the hunter insane and slowly turning them into fatalis? if that were true, then its basically a cycle of life and death? making Fatalis technically an artificial life?

It is possibly worse.
In Pokke village (MHFreedom2 and MHFreedomUnite), there is a black sword in a ice cavern shaped like a Fatalis GS. The GS is slowly growing, and you mine it to obtain ore to craft armor.
It is possible a new Fatalis will "bud" from it, sooner or later.

Funny rendition from "Tea Common Shark":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoFIf6OEjwo&ab_channel=TeaCommonShark

[Lach]

Lore wise humans are on the losing side though, hunter does get injured from fall damage and do get killed by monster. The first hunter ( village chief of the first game)'s wife was killed during the hunt (also the lore reason why we have max 4 people team) ."legendary gunner" from first game,monster hunter 4's defense commander were injured and retired.

There are only few hunters that can do what players can do, and lore wise we didn't kill Fatalis,we defeated it also we did it with an army not alone(unlike how it's represented in the game)