HBG Spread ammo + recoil is awful

[minedixer]

With 30 hours of HBG in Wilds and a couple hundred hours of HBG in Worlds, I think the new additions and general quality of life improvements to the HBG is nice. But I think Spread ammo is genuinely awful to use. Not only is it generally out DPS'd by Normal/Piercing/Elemental, it has an insanely long recoil (and subsequently lower rate of fire). The lack of literally any method to decrease recoil (no skills or attachments) on Spread ammo makes it feel so dangerously clunky to be in melee range for little reward. Piercing ammo can very easily deal more damage than Spread, and they don't have to be anywhere near danger at all. Shouldn't more risky, melee-ranged HBGs deal more damage than Ammo types that can basically stand 50 feet back to attack monsters?

[Charkko]

HBG main since OG MH on ps2, yeah, it feels awkward. I imagine once we get access to new content, we will see the return of a lot of the bowgun skills.

[jscjml]

Just use element XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf0l_THxltQ

[minedixer]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Charkko:

HBG main since OG MH on ps2, yeah, it feels awkward. I imagine once we get access to new content, we will see the return of a lot of the bowgun skills.

I wouldn't put my money on it, they would basically need to completely redesign the HGB from Wilds.

[minedixer]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von jscjml:

Just use element XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf0l_THxltQ

That's insane damage, but also, how does he have 2 (!!!) Weakness Exploit decorations?? I haven't even seen one, and the wiki doesn't even show their stats.

[Ahoishot]

Does element ammo pierce?!?

[OnePunchGay]

pierce still work

[Darkside99x]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Charkko:

HBG main since OG MH on ps2, yeah, it feels awkward. I imagine once we get access to new content, we will see the return of a lot of the bowgun skills.

But will we get Disc shot back. lol.

[Little Yuki]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von jscjml:

Just use element XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf0l_THxltQ

Your comment makes no sense. We are complaining about Spread/Sticky ammo precisely because they are fun to use. He doesn't want to trade one ammo for another, it's simple.

Nobody is complaining about elemental ammo. If HBG/LBG/Bow have different ammo, it makes more than sense that ALL of them can be used and not just a select group.

I say from experience with HBG. I am literally being forced to use elemental ammo even though I don't like it.

[Duvall12]

I have to disagree completely. If you play solo spread is the main ammo. In this one you tend to use the ammo for the crit range you are standing in, so you use spread and pierce respectively when out of elemental ammo. I can hit well over 100 damage on a single shot of spread and I'm not even done building yet. If you play with others or bots yeah you can take advantage of being able to stand back but still pierce isn't pumping out what spread can in a single shot. Normal ammo won't keep up with spread. Spread is the easiest ammo to stay in crit range when playing solo and produces the largest burst damage. I agree I want the customization for HBG from world back but if you play solo you are using spread or you are putting out crap damage.

[Lynsis]

use the seikret as a combat mount and just run around the monster shooting spread.

[Fluffy Pocket Dragon]

Yeah, they need to do something about the recoil. It's just not fun to use. Keep trying to use it, and the risk reward is nonexistent. Played HBG throughout the series, and this is just not pleasant to use. For a slight reduction in damage output (not enough to matter), pierce is so much easier to use, and more fun.

I get they may not have wanted the repeat of spread HBG from World, but this is not the way to resolve that. HBG just as a whole feels less fun than before, but this change in particular is the most less fun part.

[❤️ニューハーフ]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Fluffy Pocket Dragon:

Yeah, they need to do something about the recoil. It's just not fun to use. Keep trying to use it, and the risk reward is nonexistent. Played HBG throughout the series, and this is just not pleasant to use. For a slight reduction in damage output (not enough to matter), pierce is so much easier to use, and more fun.

I get they may not have wanted the repeat of spread HBG from World, but this is not the way to resolve that.

nah it feels like they double down on hbg being op in wilds with auto guard, just one dev was unable to use spread

[Chaos]

Not just HBG really.
Even LBG got hit too with their very limited ammo selection and no mods to fix recoil or reload speed anymore.

Like, the new "move" for the bowgun is nice and all.
But the way we are going now, bowgun will stop being bowgun soon and be a like bow instead.

[Fluffy Pocket Dragon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ❤️ニューハーフ:

nah it feels like they double down on hbg being op in wilds with auto guard, just one dev was unable to use spread

You know if you faced the monster with HBG shield in prior games it would automatically block it provided you weren't in the middle of something, right? That is not remotely the issue, nor does it make it more potent.

[minedixer]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lynsis:

use the seikret as a combat mount and just run around the monster shooting spread.

You shouldn't have to resort to mounted combat to make an ammo type semi-viable lol