modders have already fixed issues with performance lmao

[Patriarch Misha]

the REframework is a mod that dramaticly improve stability highly recamend sad that paid 100s of devs cant fix this for realease and the consumer is left to fix things....

[ikko]

"Bethesda: 'Wait for the users to fix it for us!'"

[Patriarch Misha]

Originally posted by ぼんぼん:

"Bethesda: 'Wait for the users to fix it for us!'"

hahah yeah im getting that vibe

[Tyvern]

Haha this is lame for the devs. Jeez.

[CH13F]

you cant fix issues working 9-5 meanwhile a publisher on top of your head, pulls your collars , shakes you and tells you to create more revenue.

corporates and their capitalistic culture is anti-development by nature.

[Patriarch Misha]

Originally posted by CH13F:

you cant fix issues working 9-5 meanwhile a publisher on top of your head, pulls your collars , shakes you and tells you to create more revenue.

.... its their job... it cost 70 usd (it costs 150 nzd) they get paid for this im done sucking devs ♥♥♥♥♥ last i check the publishers didnt create the glitches texture issue and performance issues

[AmaiAmai]

Originally posted by CH13F:

you cant fix issues working 9-5 meanwhile a publisher on top of your head, pulls your collars , shakes you and tells you to create more revenue.

corporates and their capitalistic culture is anti-development by nature.

If they can't do that, then software engineering isn't for them.

Imagine if your family was on a plane and it crashed and someone gave that excuse ...would you tolerate it?

No. But because gaming isn't critical or serves such a function, game developers are given a lot more slack where everyone else in software engineering is not.

No one needs to make excuses for these guys --

[Fruchtgummi]

Originally posted by Patriarch Misha:

Originally posted by CH13F:

you cant fix issues working 9-5 meanwhile a publisher on top of your head, pulls your collars , shakes you and tells you to create more revenue.

.... its their job... it cost 70 usd (it costs 150 nzd) they get paid for this im done sucking devs ♥♥♥♥♥ last i check the publishers didnt create the glitches texture issue and performance issues

You clearly have no idea how game development or human decency work. When higher ups decide that stuff is not getting fixed because "Add more stuff and make the game ready to ship because stockholders demand maneyz" then you're not fixing bugs, no matter how much you want it.

Let me guess, you're the first one to go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in a Starbucks as soon as you feel like you've waited too long, purposefully ignoring the fact that there are three baristas serving fourty people at the same time because the suit in the back is too busy counting money instead of making work easier and more efficient for his workers because that would be "too expensive" am right?

I mean I own the game, have fun with it AND have a powerful rig. So I don't have 90% of the problems people talk about here. At least not to an extend it lowers my mood. So: eh. I just want that blame is put on the right people. And that is usually the guys calling the shots, which are rarely the game devs themselves.

[Patriarch Misha]

Originally posted by Fruchtgummi:

Originally posted by Patriarch Misha:

.... its their job... it cost 70 usd (it costs 150 nzd) they get paid for this im done sucking devs ♥♥♥♥♥ last i check the publishers didnt create the glitches texture issue and performance issues

You clearly have no idea how game development or human decency work. Let me guess, you're the first one to go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in a Starbucks as soon as you feel like you've waited too long, purposefully ignoring the fact that there are three baristas serving fourty people at the same time because the suit in the back is too busy counting money instead of making work easier and more efficient for his workers because that would be "too expensive" am right?

hahaha no. its jsut simple there selling a product for a insane price all that are invold in that product making is paid to do so i dont work 12 - 16 hours shifts to spend what little money i have on a game and pretend its okay that the state of that product dosent reflect 60 usd let alone 70

[Fruchtgummi]

Originally posted by Patriarch Misha:

Originally posted by Fruchtgummi:

You clearly have no idea how game development or human decency work. Let me guess, you're the first one to go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in a Starbucks as soon as you feel like you've waited too long, purposefully ignoring the fact that there are three baristas serving fourty people at the same time because the suit in the back is too busy counting money instead of making work easier and more efficient for his workers because that would be "too expensive" am right?

hahaha no. its jsut simple there selling a product for a insane price all that are invold in that product making is paid to do so i dont work 12 - 16 hours shifts to spend what little money i have on a game and pretend its okay that the state of that product dosent reflect 60 usd let alone 70

I'm not arguing about that. I just want to make sure people know that the devs are NOT the people who decide the games pricing and - usually - want to make a great game. More often than not it's the management that doesn't know what the ♥♥♥♥ to do but still demand ♥♥♥♥ in horrendous timeframes because the suits in the higher ups demand progress. Hate on those guys all you want. But ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the devs is kind of the misguided move.

[AmaiAmai]

Originally posted by Fruchtgummi:

Originally posted by Patriarch Misha:

.... its their job... it cost 70 usd (it costs 150 nzd) they get paid for this im done sucking devs ♥♥♥♥♥ last i check the publishers didnt create the glitches texture issue and performance issues

You clearly have no idea how game development or human decency work. When higher ups decide that stuff is not getting fixed because "Add more stuff and make the game ready to ship because stockholders demand maneyz" then you're not fixing bugs, no matter how much you want it.

Let me guess, you're the first one to go ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in a Starbucks as soon as you feel like you've waited too long, purposefully ignoring the fact that there are three baristas serving fourty people at the same time because the suit in the back is too busy counting money instead of making work easier and more efficient for his workers because that would be "too expensive" am right?

This argument makes no sense. If you went to a Starbucks they would refund you or actually try to make it right, not stonewall you and hold your money.

Also, nothing stopped the developers from NOT releasing the game in this broken state besides simple greed.

Do you know this game is bundled with AMD GPUs and CPUs right now? Do ya?

That's likely the only reason why it came out, when any developer -- no any decent human being with a brain knew that the software wasn't in a polished state nor workable one.

The developers deserve to catch heat for releasing something broken, baiting and switching, and ultimately lying to their loyal fanbase.

Back to the Starbucks analogy, it would actually be like if you always visit Starbucks and the barista watered down the drink your ordered, but paid full price for, then refused a refund when you were not happy.

[무궁화]

where you put the REframework and will it help the instant crashing i have 30minutes total played all of it crashing

[kohlrak]

Originally posted by CH13F:

you cant fix issues working 9-5 meanwhile a publisher on top of your head, pulls your collars , shakes you and tells you to create more revenue.

corporates and their capitalistic culture is anti-development by nature.

Corporate capitalism ignores the customer and therefore is not seeking maximum profit. It seeks shareholder approval. This isn't capitalism.

[Fruchtgummi]

Originally posted by AmaiAmai:

Also, nothing stopped the developers from NOT releasing the game in this broken state besides simple greed.

I don't think that's correct. You have to be more specific. Do you mean the devs who actually WORK on the game? If that's the case you are wrong. They have no say whatsoever if a game comes out when it comes out. When ♥♥♥♥ starts to hit the fan they can only urge the higher ups to give them more time. If they say no you'll release the game in whatever state it is in once deadline hits. If not you're really in big trouble because of pretty messed up contract clauses.

Do you mean the developers as the corporation in itself, including the higher ups and publisher? When you do, you are absolutely right.

[CH13F]

Originally posted by kohlrak:

Originally posted by CH13F:

you cant fix issues working 9-5 meanwhile a publisher on top of your head, pulls your collars , shakes you and tells you to create more revenue.

corporates and their capitalistic culture is anti-development by nature.

Corporate capitalism ignores the customer and therefore is not seeking maximum profit. It seeks shareholder approval. This isn't capitalism.

in the end it all comes to profits. if lowering costs and increasing profits aint capitalism ,then idk what real capitalism is. and i got no interest finding it out.

[FellowNick]

Originally posted by Patriarch Misha:

the REframework is a mod that dramaticly improve stability highly recamend sad that paid 100s of devs cant fix this for realease and the consumer is left to fix things....

Wait really? Will mods disable Steam achievements? How do we get this mod?