Monster Hunter Wilds

Monster Hunter Wilds

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MHWILDS is First MH Game with 0 Elder Dragon thus far.
Wilds, suprisingly didnt have any Elder Dragon in the base game.
You'd think that Arkveld would be but it isnt.
its classified as "Extinct Species"

Jin Dahaad is also suprisingly not an elder dragon given its size, and way of manipulating its surroundings and freezing everything it touches. its classified as "Leviathan"

and finally,

Zoh Shia is a "Construct" monster.


so yeah... aint that a doozy
No elder dragons yet.
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AlbinoFrog původně napsal:
Illumina původně napsal:
You can shock trap Jin.

Ah then I guess he stepped around my trap. I had tried a pitfall trap once and he seemed to just ignore it so I didn't try again.

he ignores pitfalls, but can be briefly shocked.
zero původně napsal:
Akip Xof původně napsal:

Its not a square rectangle moment, the definition of elder dragon excludes any other possibility. The moment it goes in any other classification, its no longer an elder dragon.
it literally doesn't, as i provided for a third time:

zero původně napsal:
common monsters are defined by their physcial charateristics, elder dragons are defined by their removal from an ecosystem and danger level

which hey: applies to literally every black dragon.

Again, thats not what that says. Their shared trait is that they share no traits to classify as anything else. dangerous first class monsters are classified, and therefore not elder dragons. A right triangle is not an equilateral triangle, and will never be one.
AlbinoFrog původně napsal:
And technically we don't even know if Gore Magala is or is not a true elder dragon. In his debut game he's classified as ??? for most of the game and then randomly assigned "Demi Elder Dragon" for seemingly inexplicable reasons. He is literally the only monster in the entire history of this franchise with that classification. He is Schrödinger's Elder Dragon.
Gore Magala isn't an Elder Dragon.
Gore Magala is a Younger Dragon.


Akip Xof původně napsal:
A right triangle is not an equilateral triangle, and will never be one.
Someone never heard of non-euclidean geometry.
It is possible to make a triangle with three 90 degree angles. You just can't make it on a flat plane.
https://pi.math.cornell.edu/~mec/tripleright.jpg
Naposledy upravil The Debauchery; 3. bře. v 13.06
Akip Xof původně napsal:
zero původně napsal:
it literally doesn't, as i provided for a third time:


common monsters are defined by their physcial charateristics, elder dragons are defined by their removal from an ecosystem and danger level

which hey: applies to literally every black dragon.

Again, thats not what that says. Their shared trait is that they share no traits to classify as anything else. dangerous first class monsters are classified, and therefore not elder dragons. A right triangle is not an equilateral triangle, and will never be one.
i literally quoted what it says: if you think black dragons do not apply, then YOU must provided where, in lore, it states that black dragons are not elder dragons, because fatalis is a gen 1 elder dragon.
The classifications probably changed over time- Capcom is not great at being a lore guru for their bonk bonk skin monster game.

This game had the major opportunity to explain the fall of the wyverians and the equal dragon weapon and what that was supposed to be. Humans are watching over the tech and the wyverians are chillin on a mountain top and don't actually explain anything--they very specifically tell you absolutely nothing about lore, which is infuriating.

The hunter's guild has changed quite a bit. I haven't seen mention of the hunter-killing assassin group in ages either. Capcom could easily solve these arguments by just using their own lore and clarifying things.

What I'm saying is, there's a solid probability you're all correct and capcom just let the ball drop again.

also ur mom's a square rectangle.
Sigs původně napsal:
The classifications probably changed over time- Capcom is not great at being a lore guru for their bonk bonk skin monster game.

This game had the major opportunity to explain the fall of the wyverians and the equal dragon weapon and what that was supposed to be. Humans are watching over the tech and the wyverians are chillin on a mountain top and don't actually explain anything--they very specifically tell you absolutely nothing about lore, which is infuriating.

The hunter's guild has changed quite a bit. I haven't seen mention of the hunter-killing assassin group in ages either. Capcom could easily solve these arguments by just using their own lore and clarifying things.

What I'm saying is, there's a solid probability you're all correct and capcom just let the ball drop again.

also ur mom's a square rectangle.
it didn't change, per se, its just that elder dragon is a catch all for all dangerous dragons.

what they did, instead, was define elder dragons that are even worse then just "local enviorment hazard" as "dangerous first-class monsters" on top of their elder dragon status.

to no surprise: im sure you can guess what type of elder dragons you will see in that classification lol.

edit: for posterity:
dangerous first class monsters původně napsal:
Forbidden Monsters (禁忌モンスター, Kinki Monsutā)[1] is a term qualifying five Elder Dragons that Capcom disallowed from being represented or shown in any promotional material, keeping their existence secretive outside of the games themselves. They are said to be monsters with an unnatural presence about them, almost no documented knowledge regarding them, and extraordinary powers even for their kind, and are known to share the title of Black Dragon (Japanese: 黒龍) or some variant thereof.
Naposledy upravil zero; 3. bře. v 13.13
parent child bowl původně napsal:
AlbinoFrog původně napsal:

Gore Magala is not classified as an Elder Dragon. It's adult form Shagaru Magala is an Elder Dragon, but the baby Gore Magala is not. For some inexplicable reason. Gore Magala is in a different classification entirely on its own.
It IS classified as an Elder Dragon in Monster Hunter's Encyclopedia 4. You know. Like I already said.

I don't have easy access to that specific book so I'll have to take your word for that, but in every game that Gore Magala is in he is never once referred to as an Elder Dragon. In fact, you can even capture him in every game is present in. As far as I can tell, Monster Hunter's Encyclopedia 4 is the only place that ever refers to Gore Magala as being an Elder Dragon. MonHun 4, 4U, Generations, GenU, Rise, and Frontier Z all classify him as "???" and Wilds classifies him as a Demi Elder Dragon. I trust the 12 years worth of games between 4 and Wilds that all classify him NOT being an elder dragon over one external encyclopedia. Gore Magala is not classified as an Elder Dragon in universe. Only the adult version Shagara Magala is.
Sigs původně napsal:
The classifications probably changed over time- Capcom is not great at being a lore guru for their bonk bonk skin monster game.

This game had the major opportunity to explain the fall of the wyverians and the equal dragon weapon and what that was supposed to be. Humans are watching over the tech and the wyverians are chillin on a mountain top and don't actually explain anything--they very specifically tell you absolutely nothing about lore, which is infuriating.

The hunter's guild has changed quite a bit. I haven't seen mention of the hunter-killing assassin group in ages either. Capcom could easily solve these arguments by just using their own lore and clarifying things.
Damn right. Monster Hunter Lore is an absolute mess.
Take Fatalis for instance. Originally the concept for Monster Hunter was supposed to be a standard JRPG type fantasy fighting game... but they ditched the magic while keeping the monsters basically the same. Fatalis is literally just the unmodified Japanese "Black Dragon" fantasy trope, like the Yuusha (Hero) and Maou (Demon Lord) tropes. The problem is that because they committed to the idea of him being the biggest and strongest (because that is the trope) despite being the most generic, vanilla-as-hell, fire-breathing flying tank dragon right back at the start, they've decided to stick with what they said generation after generation.... even after making tons of Elder Dragons that are logically FAR more powerful and FAR more interesting than Fatalis.
So what do they do?
They COULD have changed their mind. They COULD have said they found other rarer dragons more powerful than Fatalis. They COULD have said that they just didn't understand. It would be fine. The Hunters Guild is unreliable and gets things wrong. They could have been wrong about Fatalis...
But no.
They buff the numbers.
Any other monster they'd give amazing new powers to, or out-do it with a stronger monster. Fatalis though? The fire just does more damage. The skin just tanks more damage. That is his whole thing. The fire doesn't even change colour. Fire does that. Hotter fire is different colours. Fatty's fire though... same orange as the Raths (at least usually). Fatalis literally can't do anything special that Rathalos can't do... but he does those same things STRONKER. Fatalis is the Artificial Difficulty Boss of the series.... and I HATE him for it.
Naposledy upravil The Debauchery; 3. bře. v 13.16
elder dragoons lost all its meaning awhile ago and frankly monster categories in this game are nearly as bad as power levels in dragon ball z!
The Debauchery původně napsal:
AlbinoFrog původně napsal:
And technically we don't even know if Gore Magala is or is not a true elder dragon. In his debut game he's classified as ??? for most of the game and then randomly assigned "Demi Elder Dragon" for seemingly inexplicable reasons. He is literally the only monster in the entire history of this franchise with that classification. He is Schrödinger's Elder Dragon.
Gore Magala isn't an Elder Dragon.
Gore Magala is a Younger Dragon.


Xeno'jiiva is considered an Elder Dragon though. So one of the two has to be wrong. They are both the baby version of an Elder Dragon and yet only one of them is classified as one.
Naposledy upravil AlbinoFrog; 3. bře. v 13.15
AlbinoFrog původně napsal:
The Debauchery původně napsal:
Gore Magala isn't an Elder Dragon.
Gore Magala is a Younger Dragon.


Xeno'jiiva is considered an Elder Dragon though. So one of the two has to be wrong. They are both the baby version of an Elder Dragon and yet only one of them is classified as one.
the gore magala one is only ever stated in an external source, rather then in game or from the devs themselves, along with the fact they can be captured in several games, so gore magala probably isn't an elder
AlbinoFrog původně napsal:
The Debauchery původně napsal:
Gore Magala isn't an Elder Dragon.
Gore Magala is a Younger Dragon.


Xeno'jiiva is considered an Elder Dragon though. So one of the two has to be wrong. They are both the baby version of an Elder Dragon and yet only one of them is classified as one.

Gore Magala is actually an argument for why "can't be classified" is not the classification for Elder Dragons. With that, it should be an Elder Dragon but it never was.

Gore Magala became a "Semi Elder" in Wilds.
zero původně napsal:
AlbinoFrog původně napsal:


Xeno'jiiva is considered an Elder Dragon though. So one of the two has to be wrong. They are both the baby version of an Elder Dragon and yet only one of them is classified as one.
the gore magala one is only ever stated in an external source, rather then in game or from the devs themselves, along with the fact they can be captured in several games, so gore magala probably isn't an elder

No, I agree with you. I was just pointing out that Capcom is inconsistent with its classifications. I even wrote a whole paragraph about Gore Magala a few messages back. Capcom SHOULD have either classified Gore Magala as an Elder Dragon or not classified Xeno as an Elder Dragon for the sake of consistency. But they chose to be confusing about it instead.
zero původně napsal:
Akip Xof původně napsal:

Again, thats not what that says. Their shared trait is that they share no traits to classify as anything else. dangerous first class monsters are classified, and therefore not elder dragons. A right triangle is not an equilateral triangle, and will never be one.
i literally quoted what it says: if you think black dragons do not apply, then YOU must provided where, in lore, it states that black dragons are not elder dragons, because fatalis is a gen 1 elder dragon.

Where does it state it? Literally in what you just posted. They are non classified. dangerous first class monster is classified.
AlbinoFrog původně napsal:
Jin Dahaad has literally all of the same characteristics of the other elder dragons in the series, the only difference is his classification in the logbook is randomly assigned as Leviathan, despite it fitting pretty much all of the guild's criteria to be considered an elder dragon. Hell, as far as I could tell he seems to be the only monster that you couldn't use traps on. If Kirin and Yama Tsukami are Elder Dragons there is no reason Jin Dahaad shouldn't be. It makes no sense why he isn't classified as an elder dragon. If any monster in this game would be an elder dragon it would be him but they actively chose to classify him as a regular monster.

And technically we don't even know if Gore Magala is or is not a true elder dragon. In his debut game he's classified as ??? for most of the game and then randomly assigned "Demi Elder Dragon" for seemingly inexplicable reasons. He is literally the only monster in the entire history of this franchise with that classification. He is Schrödinger's Elder Dragon.

Gin dad and the final boss who is in an arena I would imagine are both elder dragon status even if they didn't label em right?
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