MHWILDS is First MH Game with 0 Elder Dragon thus far.

[Daryl]

Wilds, suprisingly didnt have any Elder Dragon in the base game.
You'd think that Arkveld would be but it isnt.
its classified as "Extinct Species"

Jin Dahaad is also suprisingly not an elder dragon given its size, and way of manipulating its surroundings and freezing everything it touches. its classified as "Leviathan"

and finally,

Zoh Shia is a "Construct" monster.


so yeah... aint that a doozy
No elder dragons yet.

[在北欧蒙德索♡]

I'm coming for DRAGONS not monkeys.

[SolusiRadikal]

Publicado originalmente por Daryl:

Compared to most black dragons,
Zoh Shia seems .... weak
but i mean gamewise so far maybe the Zoh Shia we face is but one of the infant ones
that hasnt been supercharged

Because it's a man made elder dragon, but "nature always a way to survive" which mean these creature somehow lay egg like Arkveld and it turn to you know what

[vindurza]

there is 1 but it's a complicated creature

[vindurza]

Publicado originalmente por 在北欧蒙德索♡:

I'm coming for DRAGONS not monkeys.

then you are playing the wrong series

[Akip Xof]

Publicado originalmente por Zu:

The lore of this series is a complete mess ever since they tried to expand upon it only to end up making it dumber and dumber with additional material such as Stories and movies.

Like just by definition Jin should be an elder dragon because it fits all the criterias but nooo gotta call it a levianthan because it it needs more representation so we are going to ignore lore just to call it that.

The criteria to be an elder dragon is "idk wtf you are, so you go in this box until i find something better". Elder dragon is the lack of criteria to meet anything else. It being classified as something is more impressive for it than being an elder dragon.

[Akip Xof]

Publicado originalmente por Daryl:

Publicado originalmente por Akip Xof:

Zoh Shia is literally stated to be the sole reason for the total destruction of the ancient civilization referenced in the game. Thats an entire civilization that was factually wiped off the planet due to it in particular.

Its a black dragon. The game flat out tells you thats the classification as youre fighting it. Its a man made black dragon.

Editing to add; yes, black dragon isnt an actual classification, dangerous first class monster is the actual classification, but its irrelevant to the point.

Compared to most black dragons,
Zoh Shia seems .... weak
but i mean gamewise so far maybe the Zoh Shia we face is but one of the infant ones
that hasnt been supercharged

It likely wasnt weak, we are just really that good. Tends to be how it goes. This thing wiped out an advanced civilization that was well above our own, and now its even stronger. And we slapped it with a big stick until it died. You cant logic these things, just recognize we are a total badass and roll with it.

[SCIM]

Maybe the real Elder Dragons were the friends we made along the way

[Soulles]

kirin was a dragon btw

[zero]

zoh shia is literally an elder dragon(it being a black dragon should if nothing else give this away), they are *also* a construct, they do not contradict.

in the same way guardian odo is both a construct and a fanged beast.

[Akip Xof]

Publicado originalmente por zero:

zoh shia is literally an elder dragon(it being a black dragon should if nothing else give this away), they are *also* a construct, they do not contradict.

in the same way guardian odo is both a construct and a fanged beast.

Its not an elder dragon. It physically cannot be. Its a construct and a dangerous first class monster (black dragon), but it being able to be categorized as anything means its not an elder dragon. Elder dragons arent major badass things, theyre just things we dont know how to put into a box yet. Its quite a lame classification, all considered.

[zero]

Publicado originalmente por Akip Xof:

Publicado originalmente por zero:

zoh shia is literally an elder dragon(it being a black dragon should if nothing else give this away), they are *also* a construct, they do not contradict.

in the same way guardian odo is both a construct and a fanged beast.

Its not an elder dragon. It physically cannot be. Its a construct and a dangerous first class monster (black dragon), but it being able to be categorized as anything means its not an elder dragon. Elder dragons arent major badass things, theyre just things we dont know how to put into a box yet. Its quite a lame classification, all considered.

Publicado originalmente por elder dragon, monhun lore:

Elder Dragons (Japanese: 古龍種 Koryūshu) are a class of monsters introduced in the first generation. Unlike other monster types, which classify monsters by shared traits, Elder Dragons are creatures that defy typical classification and reside outside of the standard ecosystem, regardless of their resemblance to a dragon. These monsters are rare creatures with immense power that have lived since ancient times.

you could argue that it being a copy of an actual zoh shia makes it not an elder dragon because "it hasn't lived since ancient time" but it is the same argument with arkveld then, in that arkveld isn't arkveld cause it is extinct.

but that is a pedantic argument, an exact copy of a black dragon is still gonna be an elder dragon in terms of everything that matters: it is entirely absent from the ecosystem and can cause unparalleled damage to it by its mere existence, which is very much the point of that scene, which does support what im saying.

[Akip Xof]

Publicado originalmente por zero:

Publicado originalmente por Akip Xof:

Its not an elder dragon. It physically cannot be. Its a construct and a dangerous first class monster (black dragon), but it being able to be categorized as anything means its not an elder dragon. Elder dragons arent major badass things, theyre just things we dont know how to put into a box yet. Its quite a lame classification, all considered.

Publicado originalmente por elder dragon, monhun lore:

Elder Dragons (Japanese: 古龍種 Koryūshu) are a class of monsters introduced in the first generation. Unlike other monster types, which classify monsters by shared traits, Elder Dragons are creatures that defy typical classification and reside outside of the standard ecosystem, regardless of their resemblance to a dragon. These monsters are rare creatures with immense power that have lived since ancient times.

you could argue that it being a copy of an actual zoh shia makes it not an elder dragon because "it hasn't lived since ancient time" but it is the same argument with arkveld then, in that arkveld isn't arkveld cause it is extinct.

but that is a pedantic argument, an exact copy of a black dragon is still gonna be an elder dragon in terms of everything that matters: it is entirely absent from the ecosystem and can cause unparalleled damage to it by its mere existence, which is very much the point of that scene, which does support what im saying.

It wouldnt be an elder dragon if it is a black dragon. "creatures that defy typical classification". Once you classify it, its not an elder dragon. Black dragons are by definition not elder dragons. Its not a pedantic argument, its just what elder dragon is. Its not that great a classification, and the games hype up elder dragons as the top of the food chain when most are just... bob from accounting.

[zero]

Publicado originalmente por Akip Xof:

Publicado originalmente por zero:

you could argue that it being a copy of an actual zoh shia makes it not an elder dragon because "it hasn't lived since ancient time" but it is the same argument with arkveld then, in that arkveld isn't arkveld cause it is extinct.

but that is a pedantic argument, an exact copy of a black dragon is still gonna be an elder dragon in terms of everything that matters: it is entirely absent from the ecosystem and can cause unparalleled damage to it by its mere existence, which is very much the point of that scene, which does support what im saying.

It wouldnt be an elder dragon if it is a black dragon. "creatures that defy typical classification". Once you classify it, its not an elder dragon. Black dragons are by definition not elder dragons.

fatalis is literally a first generation elder dragon my dude

[Akip Xof]

Publicado originalmente por zero:

Publicado originalmente por Akip Xof:

It wouldnt be an elder dragon if it is a black dragon. "creatures that defy typical classification". Once you classify it, its not an elder dragon. Black dragons are by definition not elder dragons.

fatalis is literally a first generation elder dragon my dude

And fatalis isnt an elder dragon.

[zero]

Publicado originalmente por Akip Xof:

Publicado originalmente por zero:

fatalis is literally a first generation elder dragon my dude

And fatalis isnt an elder dragon.

to which we go back to:

Publicado originalmente por zero:

Publicado originalmente por Akip Xof:

It wouldnt be an elder dragon if it is a black dragon. "creatures that defy typical classification". Once you classify it, its not an elder dragon. Black dragons are by definition not elder dragons.

fatalis is literally a first generation elder dragon my dude