Monster Hunter Wilds

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MHWILDS is First MH Game with 0 Elder Dragon thus far.
Wilds, suprisingly didnt have any Elder Dragon in the base game.
You'd think that Arkveld would be but it isnt.
its classified as "Extinct Species"

Jin Dahaad is also suprisingly not an elder dragon given its size, and way of manipulating its surroundings and freezing everything it touches. its classified as "Leviathan"

and finally,

Zoh Shia is a "Construct" monster.


so yeah... aint that a doozy
No elder dragons yet.
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I believe they wanted to not go ham with Elders at least for the beginning of it. As World was HEAVILY about Elder Dragons.

I can see them adding some in eventually or via Master/G Rank.
God help us all.
Jin Dahaad has literally all of the same characteristics of the other elder dragons in the series, the only difference is his classification in the logbook is randomly assigned as Leviathan, despite it fitting pretty much all of the guild's criteria to be considered an elder dragon. Hell, as far as I could tell he seems to be the only monster that you couldn't use traps on. If Kirin and Yama Tsukami are Elder Dragons there is no reason Jin Dahaad shouldn't be. It makes no sense why he isn't classified as an elder dragon. If any monster in this game would be an elder dragon it would be him but they actively chose to classify him as a regular monster.

And technically we don't even know if Gore Magala is or is not a true elder dragon. In his debut game he's classified as ??? for most of the game and then randomly assigned "Demi Elder Dragon" for seemingly inexplicable reasons. He is literally the only monster in the entire history of this franchise with that classification. He is Schrödinger's Elder Dragon.
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Illumina Mar 2 @ 11:42pm 
You can shock trap Jin.
Originally posted by AlbinoFrog:
Jin Dahaad has literally all of the same characteristics of the other elder dragons in the series, the only difference is a singular classification in the logbook. Hell, as far as I could tell he seems to be the only monster that you couldn't use traps on. If Kirin and Yama Tsukami are Elder Dragons there is no reason Jin Dahaad shouldn't be. It makes no sense why he isn't classified as an elder dragon. If any monster in this game would be an elder dragon it would be him but they actively chose to classify him as a regular monster.
Jin is definitely one of my favorites , the fact he can go thermonuclear is hillarious
Originally posted by Illumina:
You can shock trap Jin.

Ah then I guess he stepped around my trap. I had tried a pitfall trap once and he seemed to just ignore it so I didn't try again.
kl250d Mar 2 @ 11:44pm 
isnt zoh shia a black dragon? when fighting it they were making a big deal out of it being a dragon that was jet black talking all fearful like
Originally posted by kl250d:
isnt zoh shia a black dragon? when fighting it they were making a big deal out of it being a dragon that was jet black talking all fearful like

No, he is classified as a construct because he is an artificial creature. He isn't a natural being.
Chaos Mar 2 @ 11:48pm 
Right, I was expecting the sequel to the 2018 hit game.
Elder Hunter World.
kl250d Mar 2 @ 11:50pm 
Originally posted by AlbinoFrog:
Originally posted by kl250d:
isnt zoh shia a black dragon? when fighting it they were making a big deal out of it being a dragon that was jet black talking all fearful like

No, he is classified as a construct because he is an artificial creature. He isn't a natural being.
im not sure how prevalent constructs are in the monster hunter series, but is there anything that stops something from being/having the potential to be a black dragon just because it was created? like how genetically modified corn is still corn, zoh shia is just gm black dragon?
eb Mar 2 @ 11:53pm 
I'll take that over high rank being Teostra + Kushala again.
NiamhNyx Mar 2 @ 11:54pm 
Originally posted by AlbinoFrog:
Jin Dahaad has literally all of the same characteristics of the other elder dragons in the series, the only difference is his classification in the logbook is randomly assigned as Leviathan, despite it fitting pretty much all of the guild's criteria to be considered an elder dragon. Hell, as far as I could tell he seems to be the only monster that you couldn't use traps on. If Kirin and Yama Tsukami are Elder Dragons there is no reason Jin Dahaad shouldn't be. It makes no sense why he isn't classified as an elder dragon. If any monster in this game would be an elder dragon it would be him but they actively chose to classify him as a regular monster.

And technically we don't even know if Gore Magala is or is not a true elder dragon. In his debut game he's classified as ??? for most of the game and then randomly assigned "Demi Elder Dragon" for seemingly inexplicable reasons. He is literally the only monster in the entire history of this franchise with that classification. He is Schrödinger's Elder Dragon.
The guilds criteria for elder dragons is them not to fit in with others. Jin Dahaad is similar to the big boys, Akantor and Ukanlos with how it is.
Jin Dahaad is an elder dragon mate. It looks BDSM as f*ck, but it's an elder dragon nonetheless.
But yeah, i get your point, everybody wants Chameleos, Kushala Daora, Nergigante and Teostra.
Also, not an elder dragon, but Bazelgeuse please!
No Kirin, please. Ultimate cancer that one.
Originally posted by Gochisosama:
Jin Dahaad is an elder dragon mate. It looks BDSM as f*ck, but it's an elder dragon nonetheless.
But yeah, i get your point, everybody wants Chameleos, Kushala Daora, Nergigante and Teostra.
Also, not an elder dragon, but Bazelgeuse please!
No Kirin, please. Ultimate cancer that one.
How does it look BDSM, what?
Originally posted by kl250d:
Originally posted by AlbinoFrog:

No, he is classified as a construct because he is an artificial creature. He isn't a natural being.
im not sure how prevalent constructs are in the monster hunter series, but is there anything that stops something from being/having the potential to be a black dragon just because it was created? like how genetically modified corn is still corn, zoh shia is just gm black dragon?

As far as I understood it, the title of Black Dragon in universe was less of a title of strength/appearance but a title of fear. They were given their status of Black Dragon because of the destructive power they had showcased in the past. Not every monster that has the strength of a Black Dragon is considered a Black Dragon. For example, Safi'jiiva is implied to be roughly equal in strength to Fatalis, but Safi is not a Black Dragon (In fact, it is the only monster with the title of Red Dragon). Also, not every Black Dragon is even black. White and Crimson Fatalis are considered to be Black Dragons. The title is only really given to monsters that have destroyed, or attempted to destroy, entire civilizations. Zoh Shia might be as strong as a Black Dragon considering how much energy it had stored, but it never did anything with it and we'll never know what it is capable of unless Capcom revives the species like they did with Xeno'jiiva and Safi'jiiva. As far as the rest of the Monster Hutner world is concerned there was never even a Zoh Shia in the first place.

Now mechanically speaking from the players perspective it would probably be at least an Elder Dragon. The biggest thing though (in universe) is that Elder Dragons can only be classified as Elder Dragons when they CAN'T be classified as anything else. That's why monsters like Yama Tsukami are classified as elder dragons despite them being considerably weaker than other Elder Dragons like Zorah Magdaros or Jhen Mohran. Yama can't be classified as anything else so he has to be an Elder Dragon. Zoh Shia CAN be classified as something else though so he HAS to be classified as that thing by the guild. That alone is half the reason monsters like Savage Devilljho and Akantor can't be classified as elder dragons despite their overwhelming power. This is also the reason Jin Dahaad isn't an Elder Dragon in the logbook. Jin is definitely powerful enough seeing as he can directly change the environment around him, but since he can be classified as a leviathan the guild can't classify him as an Elder Dragon. It's a weird dichotomy between what makes sense mechanically to the player (because to us it's obvious that the giant dragon that can create blizzards should be an Elder Dragon) and what is actually true in universe/lore wise.

All of this becomes 10x more confusing when you factor in Gore Magala because for some reason Capcom wanted to make him Schrödinger's Elder Dragon and give him the "Demi Elder Dragon" or "Unknown" (depending on the language) classification. He is the only monster in the entire series in this classification and Capcom refused to ever clarify. And what makes Gore Magala even more confusing is that its adult version, Shagaru Magala, is actually classified as an Elder Dragon. So the adult is an Elder Dragon, but the baby version of the exact same creature is not. But then in World there was Xeno'jiiva and Safi'fiiva (again, the baby and adult version of the exact same creature) but this time both the baby and the adult versions are Elder Dragons. So sometimes a baby Elder Dragon is still an Elder Dragon and sometimes its not, for some reason. There is no in-game explanation for why the guild would do it this way and Capcom never clarified. Gore Magala can be captured by the player which is presumably why it isn't considered to be an Elder Dragon, but that is purely gameplay and has no relation to the actual lore.
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