Gamers we caused this problem.

[Rager]

We have been too nice and welcoming to "dad gamers" people who feel like they shouldn't invest time into games because they don’t have enough of it. In the old days, gamers managed their time better, even with jobs and kids. They still found ways to game. Games could be grindy and still felt fun to play.

Now, we've turned a blind eye to cash shops that speed up progression in games. We justify it by saying, “Well, people with limited time should be able to enjoy games too.” And look at what we've gotten in return low-effort, poorly designed games catering to players who don’t have much time to play. The quality of games has dropped so much that even beloved franchises are no longer what they used to be.

This is our fault for being too welcoming. Instead, we should have drawn a line and said, “These types of games aren’t for you.” Instead, we’ve rewarded developers for making games worse to accommodate dad gamers. This is a problem developers with no skill or passion are being rewarded by these casual players who are happy with mediocre, watered-down experiences. Meanwhile, the rest of us are stuck with subpar games, all because we wanted to share the joy of gaming with others.

We let this happen, and now we’re paying dearly for it.

[VoiD]

Eh, I just realized, OP was one of the people whining nonstop in Helldivers 2 asking for the game to be destroyed, all difficulty striped, which resulted in the patch that have made the game boring as there is no difference between higher difficulties, armor isn't a consideration anymore, and everyone is just spliting up and solo clearing dif10 in random groups as teams are no longer needed.

He IS exactly the kind of people that should be kept away from games, the casual type that ruins the fun for everyone that would otherwise be sticking with games for a long time. He is exactly the type the changes in wilds were made for.

[Cadaver]

None of this even applies to this game lmao

[Катюша]

Anyone that tells you that gatekeeping is wrong, is someone that should be ignored completely with supreme prejudice.

Communities not gatekeeping their passions are the reason so many things are awful these days.

[Araon]

Originally posted by Rager:

The problem is not with myself. It is others,

It's funny how that's always the case with posts like these, isn't it?

[cAipi_rInHa]

Originally posted by Rager:

The dad gamers I am talking about are the ones that use I have a life as a excuse for these types of games. It is not for the dad gamer who enjoys grindy games who gets better and manage time.


We all know the type of person i am talking about.

"the kind of person" you are talking about are adults with a normal life which comes with responsibilities and less time for gaming.
Nowadays PC gamers are much older than 20 years ago. New generations play freaking mobile games.
So you have a huge market for casual players on PC AND of course consoles.

Why do you wonder that developers are making games for "them" ? "They" have become the main audience and the group to focus on.

I mean its great that your are probably 30 or 40 and have all the time in the world to sit at home and play games, but there is no way you don`t understand that this isn`t the norm and that you are not the "average gamer".

Of course most games are not made to fit for a niche type of player, which you have become.

[DonnyGuitar]

Originally posted by Shodingus:

private profile, doesn't own the game. Block, report and move on.

you are fully correct

[Legion Daddy Mario]

Originally posted by Rager:

Originally posted by Shodingus:

private profile, doesn't own the game. Block, report and move on.

The fact you had to lash out to even say this shows that I am right. I hit a nerve. Thank you for announcing that you feel like you are doing something to me.

Sure, let's ignore the fact that companies under our current economy either constantly grow or get their revenue eaten by inflation and instead let's make some delulu theory out of some intangible bs that has nothing to do with money...

[Dalek Trekkie]

Originally posted by Rager:

Originally posted by Iggi:

The name checks out. Rages against other people for a problem they could very well solve themselves. Speak with your money friends.

The problem is not with myself. It is others, Gaming addiction leads to poor choices. People are in a state of misery, and need escapism. Gaming is that, and such there is not enough people will strong enough will power to change the tide. So even if I did that friend. Gaming slop is still going to happen because not enough smart people.

Then do every gamer on the planet a favor and stfu and never play a game ever again. Nobody cares about you're shrill whining. I'm enjoying the game, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ aside. I play games to have fun. Taking any game more seriously than that is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid, and you should feel bad about yourself for even suggesting that anyone should do so.

[Dalek Trekkie]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Eh, I just realized, OP was one of the people whining nonstop in Helldivers 2 asking for the game to be destroyed, all difficulty striped, which resulted in the patch that have made the game boring as there is no difference between higher difficulties, armor isn't a consideration anymore, and everyone is just spliting up and solo clearing dif10 in random groups as teams are no longer needed.

He IS exactly the kind of people that should be kept away from games, the casual type that ruins the fun for everyone that would otherwise be sticking with games for a long time. He is exactly the type the changes in wilds were made for.

Funny how this always happens, huh? There's always room for both hardcore, and casual. Anyone who says otherwise is projecting hard.

[Rager]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Eh, I just realized, OP was one of the people whining nonstop in Helldivers 2 asking for the game to be destroyed, all difficulty striped, which resulted in the patch that have made the game boring as there is no difference between higher difficulties, armor isn't a consideration anymore, and everyone is just spliting up and solo clearing dif10 in random groups as teams are no longer needed.

He IS exactly the kind of people that should be kept away from games, the casual type that ruins the fun for everyone that would otherwise be sticking with games for a long time. He is exactly the type the changes in wilds were made for.

Really? Because Helldivers was losing players and that is why it was changing it because they nerf everything and the end game missions it was better to kite things instead of killing.


I am 100 percent better than you at helldivers, and i told the developers what they needed, and it saved the game. More people played it after these changes.


So in other words. You are welcome.

[Evilgenius]

Originally posted by Rager:

Really? Because Helldivers was losing players and that is why it was changing it because they nerf everything and the end game missions it was better to kite things instead of killing.


I am 100 percent better than you at helldivers, and i told the developers what they needed, and it saved the game. More people played it after these changes.


So in other words. You are welcome.

could you sound any sadder...

[steph_kage666]

you're literally the sort of person who acts incredibly toxic in multiplayer games and when said game gets shut down because it can't attract new players due to the toxic community ( aka people like you) you start blaming someone else for it rather than acknowledge your fault in ruining the game.

you're also the sort of person who gets upset when a girl says she won't date gamers because (insert negative stereotype) while also embodying every negative stereotype. great job my friend.

[cAipi_rInHa]

Originally posted by Rager:

i told the developers what they needed, and it saved the game.

Yea everybody knows that.

Game developers nowadays only ask the most notoriously online, most toxic, and least educated types of 'gamers' for advice to save their games.

It`s true.
Really.

What happened when you woke up ?

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Rager:

Originally posted by VoiD:

Eh, I just realized, OP was one of the people whining nonstop in Helldivers 2 asking for the game to be destroyed, all difficulty striped, which resulted in the patch that have made the game boring as there is no difference between higher difficulties, armor isn't a consideration anymore, and everyone is just spliting up and solo clearing dif10 in random groups as teams are no longer needed.

He IS exactly the kind of people that should be kept away from games, the casual type that ruins the fun for everyone that would otherwise be sticking with games for a long time. He is exactly the type the changes in wilds were made for.

Really? Because Helldivers was losing players and that is why it was changing it because they nerf everything and the end game missions it was better to kite things instead of killing.


I am 100 percent better than you at helldivers, and i told the developers what they needed, and it saved the game. More people played it after these changes.


So in other words. You are welcome.

Reality disagrees, the patch that ruined the game got a 5k average players bump on steamcharts which was steadily decreasing again and was dwarfed by the new content update (third faction) shortly after.

Your gamer dad atitude helped destroy that game.

[StarGirlPeach]

Originally posted by Rager:

Originally posted by Evilgenius:

Dad gamer just means person with a life outside of gaming, bit contradictory to your first point of them being addicts...

Nah, dad gamers are the unskilled people who use I got a life as a excuse to be bad at games or not willing to grind. Plenty of older dad gamers made time and manage time better and still was able to be good at games.


The dad gamers of today use I don't got time as a excuse to waste everyone time in video games when they join your team.

Bro, what are you even fighting every single post you have made in reply to this directly contradicts itself.

Want to know why non-inclusive games fail? because the 10s of players cannot fund a studio to keep them developing for it.

Financing is a numbers game, the "Casual players" are the majority, they are the ones with the money that spend to keep studios open and making games. You want them removed, good luck, all the games you do this for will fail.

You're the minority, Do I personally believe they should put content for you yeah, but don't discount that if they only made content for you, there wouldn't be a studio left to make content for you.