Embrace frame gen. It really does make all the difference.

[ChubbiChibbai]

I'm on a 3090 and struggling to maintain a locked 60 fps. I want to play at 4K without reducing too many settings as the game really starts to look rough.

I can't use DLSS frame gen but i switched over to FSR with quality upscale and frame gen. Locked in game to 30 fps which gives me a 60fps output and honestly..... it's actually fine. I'm not noticing any input lag.

Not sure if it helps but i also turn Nvidia reflex OFF as it's caused issues for me with framegen.

So while yea - the idea of 'fake frames' might put some people off. At least try it and see how you feel. It made a huge difference for me.

Try it if you are still having performance issues. Might not work for everyone but after feeling frustrated the last few days this was the thing that finally got me enjoying the game.

[ChubbiChibbai]

Originally posted by Moonwitch:

Originally posted by Buu:

I tried to do that today. The nvidia app says Wilds doesn't support it. 3060 8gb. Using the FSR for now.

Uninstalling and reinstalling the nvidia app fixes it. Able to override FFXIV's DLSS to the new transformer model preset K.

Yeh actually i had tha tissue with FFXIV as well until i re-installed.

DLSS4 is such a gamechanger for me though. Means i can keep my 3090 for probably another gen at least now that i can lean more heavily on more aggressive upscaling.

Pretty sure Performance on DLSS4 looks on par with how Quality on DLSS3 looked.

Been playing Dying light and i can now run that game on MAX raytracing settings 4k 60 with DLSS 4 performance which is crazy.

[Baffman]

Originally posted by GingerAvenger:

Originally posted by Buu:

I tried to do that today. The nvidia app says Wilds doesn't support it. 3060 8gb. Using the FSR for now.

I'm curious how your performance is after you force DLSS 4.0 on an 8gb card. Let me know.

I have a 3060Ti and I'm using DLSS 4 balanced.
Looks so much better than FSR quality and runs better.

[BEEP!]

Originally posted by Baffman:

Originally posted by GingerAvenger:

I'm curious how your performance is after you force DLSS 4.0 on an 8gb card. Let me know.

I have a 3060Ti and I'm using DLSS 4 balanced.
Looks so much better than FSR quality and runs better.

If your on a 8GB card do yourself a favor and don't use textures past medium that's save you one hell of a headache.

[ChubbiChibbai]

Originally posted by Starcake:

I'm using high preset and locking the game at 40 FPS via riva tuner, then I use Lossless Scaling x2 to achieve 80 FPS. It honestly does feel fine, especially since I can mantain invariable 40 FPS at all times with this setting. The 80 FPS fluidity is very good while the game still looks ok. Using DLSS 4.0 on Performance 1440p.

I also disable Vsync and turn on Nvidia Reflex + Boost. Give it a go through this method I mentioned if you have a RTX 20 or 30 with no native frame gen so you can still use DLSS which gives a far better image compared to FSR 3.1.

Funnily enough i found that Reflex causes more issues for me.
I also turn Vsync on lol. Completely opposite to your experience but whatever feels right for the individual and their specific system i guess.

Edit: I lied - Vsync defaults to off with framgen so its off

[ChubbiChibbai]

Originally posted by Baffman:

Originally posted by GingerAvenger:

I'm curious how your performance is after you force DLSS 4.0 on an 8gb card. Let me know.

I have a 3060Ti and I'm using DLSS 4 balanced.
Looks so much better than FSR quality and runs better.

What resolution?
Agree that DLSS4 looks way better than FSR quality but i can't use DLSS frame gen on my card (without the mod which i might try)

I really wish they would seperate DLSS upsacle from framegen so you can use either. It's been possible for that mix for a while now.

[Baffman]

Originally posted by Starcake:

I'm using high preset and locking the game at 40 FPS via riva tuner, then I use Lossless Scaling x2 to achieve 80 FPS. It honestly does feel fine, especially since I can mantain invariable 40 FPS at all times with this setting. The 80 FPS fluidity is very good while the game still looks ok. Using DLSS 4.0 on Performance 1440p.

I also disable Vsync and turn on Nvidia Reflex + Boost. Give it a go through this method I mentioned if you have a RTX 20 or 30 with no native frame gen so you can still use DLSS which gives a far better image compared to FSR 3.1.

I tried Lossless Scaling and honestly it felt horrible, the frametime was all over the place.
It was so choppy it was giving me motion sickness.
Now I'm using DLSS 4 + FSR framegen. Not perfect but so much better.
Had to mod the game though to make it work.

[Kabaale]

"Embrace frame gen. It really does make all the difference."

Yeah because before that, game devs were obligated to optimise their games.

[Chaos]

When I want to play with 120 fps+?
Sure, that's what it's make for.

But use it to hit 60 fps is just stupid.
Even nvidia themselves said you should only use it AFTER you get solid 60 fps.
Otherwise, it looks like ♥♥♥♥ AND play like ♥♥♥♥.

[Baffman]

Originally posted by ChubbiChibbai:

What resolution?
Agree that DLSS4 looks way better than FSR quality but i can't use DLSS frame gen on my card (without the mod which i might try)

I really wish they would seperate DLSS upsacle from framegen so you can use either. It's been possible for that mix for a while now.

1080p
FSR looks horrible under 1440p so not really usable for me, while DLSS 4 is comparable to native. I swear to god Nvidia did some black magic here.

[Starcake]

Originally posted by Baffman:

Originally posted by Starcake:

I'm using high preset and locking the game at 40 FPS via riva tuner, then I use Lossless Scaling x2 to achieve 80 FPS. It honestly does feel fine, especially since I can mantain invariable 40 FPS at all times with this setting. The 80 FPS fluidity is very good while the game still looks ok. Using DLSS 4.0 on Performance 1440p.

I also disable Vsync and turn on Nvidia Reflex + Boost. Give it a go through this method I mentioned if you have a RTX 20 or 30 with no native frame gen so you can still use DLSS which gives a far better image compared to FSR 3.1.

I tried Lossless Scaling and honestly it felt horrible, the frametime was all over the place.
It was so choppy it was giving me motion sickness.
Now I'm using DLSS 4 + FSR framegen. Not perfect but so much better.
Had to mod the game though to make it work.

Ah nice. Well at least you found something that works for you. LLS worked perfect for me.

In case you're curious I used these settings for it: Scaling type SGSR Sharpness at 5, Mode X2 Resolution at 50. The rest I pretty much didn't touch.

[ChubbiChibbai]

Originally posted by Kabaale:

"Embrace frame gen. It really does make all the difference."

Yeah because before that, game devs were obligated to optimise their games.

I mean yeah sure but that's not the point here.
The game is a mess. No one is denying that. But people who own the game still want to play and have a good time and this particular thing helped for me.

I did't post this to have yet another boring debte that you can find on virtually every steam forum for the last two years. I posted this to offer a potential solution to others who might be in a similar situation and hadn't considered trying FSR frame gen - especially since DLSS4 is hot off the press and so most will be trying that and complletely forgetting FSR is an option here (which is what i did)

[ChubbiChibbai]

Originally posted by Baffman:

Originally posted by ChubbiChibbai:

What resolution?
Agree that DLSS4 looks way better than FSR quality but i can't use DLSS frame gen on my card (without the mod which i might try)

I really wish they would seperate DLSS upsacle from framegen so you can use either. It's been possible for that mix for a while now.

1080p
FSR looks horrible under 1440p so not really usable for me, while DLSS 4 is comparable to native. I swear to god Nvidia did some black magic here.

Interesting.
So you are 1080p and then DLSS 4 upscale ontop of that?
Might try that next.

[Oku]

Framegen is cool if you are a) already consistently above 60fps minimum, and b) not playing any sort of game where frame-window timing is important. Fake frames have no input on them. If you're getting 60fps native and 90fps framegen, the game is still operating on 60fps timings, so things like Counterstrike and Mobas run in to issues where where having a higher framerate than the game actually is running at messes with input reactions. And this also means that if you're running at a lower framerate natively, then framegen is going to have much longer timings for its fake frames which causes severe ghosting and artifacting.

It's not a magic bullet to make your performance better, it's a feature that takes already good performance and makes it seem better than it actually is to the human eye.

[^;..;^ | ViralOmega]

more generated frames, more input latency. no thanks

[duck9r]

No. I don't want AI fake frames in my video games. Ever.

If a game truly NEEDS that to run properly, then it's a terrible game.