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76561198378545136 27 FEB a las 7:13 a. m.
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unsubbed all streamers playing before me
oh wow my hype just died mhrise looking more beautiful now
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Jamie7Gs 27 FEB a las 9:01 a. m. 
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I'm not upset at the streamers. These opportunities can be huge for them. I'm frustrated with the game companies. I find it frustrating that people who have already paid for the game aren't included.

Game companies prioritize content creators while paying customers are forced to wait. People who preorder have already financially supported the company, yet they're treated as less important than streamers who not only got the game for free but also profit from their early access. It floods the internet with spoilers (not such a big deal with MH:W but can be with other games), and it reduces overall excitement for actual players, as you've seen with posts in this thread and many others like it on steam, reddit, etc..

If companies want to reward creators and utilize them for marketing, they should do so without making paying customers feel like an afterthought. It would feel more fair to give preorder customers early or simultaneous access.

All that being said though, life's not fair, so it is what it is and we're all here killing time until launch.
Stabby_Widdershins 27 FEB a las 9:03 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por bassphenomenon:
Publicado originalmente por Stabby_Widdershins:
Something tells me OP also whines when he sees a McDonalds employee get free food for working there.

Heaven forbid people have job perks.

And before someone says 'StReAmInG iS nOt A jOb!'
* Are they making money?
* Do they have a set schedule?
* Are taxes taken out of their pay/Reported based on the pay?

Then yes; It's a job. Being jealous of them does not invalidate it being a job.

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The streamer worked hard to get popular enough to be given the perk of an advance copy.
Either cope, or do the same.

And if anyone says 'It'S eAsY tO sTrEaM!'
Go stream & try to get 100+ viewers consistently. We'll wait.

I mean I'm not one of the people saying streamers don't deserve money (maybe not as much as some of them get but whatever) or perkss but your argument is not sound.

'Is <being homeless> a Job?'
-They make money
-many of them have relatively consistent schedules
-They are technically supposed to report their income similar to tips (restaurant worker, bell boy, etc) and donations/subs (streamers).

Yeah sure they worked hard, if you think playing video games is hard work. A lot of them don't actually have schedules but even when they do I wouldn't call it hard work. Waking up after 3 hours of sleep to play video games does not make you rocky xD. A lot of people do that even without being paid lmao (I have done this :P).

Fair enough. I'll break 'job' down to it's definition instead:
a piece of work, especially a specific task done as part of the routine of one's occupation or for an agreed price

And some of the larger streamers are expending large amounts of energy to be good at both the games they play, and be amusing on the mic.
I used to stream; Talking, being personally entertaining, and playing a game are difficult to do all at the same time. It takes focus and energy.

And not every streamer is waking up 'after 3 hours of sleep'.
Not to mention, if one wants to stay HEALTHY and be a streamer; They need to make up for the 4+ hours of sitting on their arse per stream by exercising more than a less sedentary person.

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Sorry to soapbox but it pisses me off when someone says '<x> is not a REAL job!' or <x> is not hard to do!'

I heard this garbage when I worked food service: "That's not a REAL job! When will you get a REAL job?"
About 5 minutes after everyone stops gobbling down Bic Macs. Until then; You want a burger flipper, so stop belittling them.

When I worked at a gas mart: "That's not a REAL job!"
Then stop driving a car. Until people learn to walk everywhere again; You need gas stations and people to run them.

And when I streamed: "That is not hard! It's not a REAL job!"
Then go get 100+ viewers and at least a quarter of them should be subbed to you, without the investment of time, energy, and money serious streamers put in to have good gear.

Sure, any schmuck can start streaming. But if if said schmuck has the personality of wet cardboard, his mic crackles, and his PC can only run the streaming software + the game at 480p; Not many people are going to watch them.

I just fregging hate when people belittle a job choice, or cry about job perks.
If someone does not like that streamers get games early? Don't watch them. Simple as.
If someone wants games early? Invest in becoming a streamer.

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I wish I had the game early. I don't.
So I'm watching Mythbusters episodes all day today.
Última edición por Stabby_Widdershins; 27 FEB a las 9:05 a. m.
Mr.Pickles 27 FEB a las 9:04 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Jamie7Gs:
I'm not upset at the streamers. These opportunities can be huge for them. I'm frustrated with the game companies. I find it frustrating that people who have already paid for the game aren't included.

Game companies prioritize content creators while paying customers are forced to wait. People who preorder have already financially supported the company, yet they're treated as less important than streamers who not only got the game for free but also profit from their early access. It floods the internet with spoilers (not such a big deal with MH:W but can be with other games), and it reduces overall excitement for actual players, as you've seen with posts in this thread and many others like it on steam, reddit, etc..

If companies want to reward creators and utilize them for marketing, they should do so without making paying customers feel like an afterthought. It would feel more fair to give preorder customers early or simultaneous access.

All that being said though, life's not fair, so it is what it is and we're all here killing time until launch.

reasonably expressed exactly how it felt seeing that twitch front page haha preach brother. think its best i get off this discussions, aint nothing left to see here. see you tommrow :))
Label07 27 FEB a las 9:05 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Vaigrant:
Jesus another tantrum?

You people are so unbelievably frail if you're this tilted about people playing the game what, 14 hours early?

Why do you care? Legitimately, why?

Are you afraid of Spoilers?
Are you mad they get a head start?
Are you just Jealous you're not playing and can't find a more mature way to express that feeling?
Are you just trying to farm jesters?
Are you trying to be funny by copying the other threads about this?

Like whats the goal? Cause this isn't going to stop them from doing it. Clearly, they have the marketing data and show more returns than losses for this trend.

I'm embarrassed for everyone who is actually upset about this, its such a non-issue that will affect no one in the long run.
Streamers having access prior to the everyone else (peasants) puts them in this elite class (nobility) category. They are people just like you and I, they should have to wait like the rest of us for the EXACT release date/time.

The best thing you can do is what OP stated, unsub/don't watch.
Why do you people think Logan Paul hasn't gone away? Because there are still many fools that still watch and care what he does. Ignore him and he goes away.
Última edición por Label07; 27 FEB a las 9:06 a. m.
Something 27 FEB a las 9:10 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por K:
Publicado originalmente por Vaigrant:
Jesus another tantrum?

You people are so unbelievably frail if you're this tilted about people playing the game what, 14 hours early?

Why do you care? Legitimately, why?

Are you afraid of Spoilers?
Are you mad they get a head start?
Are you just Jealous you're not playing and can't find a more mature way to express that feeling?
Are you just trying to farm jesters?
Are you trying to be funny by copying the other threads about this?

Like whats the goal? Cause this isn't going to stop them from doing it. Clearly, they have the marketing data and show more returns than losses for this trend.

I'm embarrassed for everyone who is actually upset about this, its such a non-issue that will affect no one in the long run.
I'm embarrassed you spent that much time writing a paragraph defending streamers getting a free copy of the game and streaming it before most paying customers

That's how business works. If you haven't realized that by now then I dunno what to tell ya. Is it lame AF that streamers get not only a free copy of the most expensive version of the game, but early access on top of their review code over paying customers? Yeah it does. But it's a net positive for Capcom to give it to them because of just how many people are gonna see the strummers playing and be like "This looks like fun! I wanna play!" and buys the game themselves.

Of course I feel there should be like a "review window" of sorts for streamers/youtubers where like the servers come online for a period of two or three days to do reviews and collect footage for said reviews, then once that time period is up if you didn't get your review done then /shrug oh well buddy better luck next game now you gotta wait until launch like the rest of us kind of thing. Because like I get giving the "influencers" free access to the game for their reviews and stuff, but people's reviews are already out now they're just playing it because they can. I mean granted it's probably also written in their contract that they have to play it on launch day for x amount of hours, but still.
bassphenomenon 27 FEB a las 9:34 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Vaigrant:
Jesus another tantrum?

You people are so unbelievably frail if you're this tilted about people playing the game what, 14 hours early?

Why do you care? Legitimately, why?

Are you afraid of Spoilers?
Are you mad they get a head start?
Are you just Jealous you're not playing and can't find a more mature way to express that feeling?
Are you just trying to farm jesters?
Are you trying to be funny by copying the other threads about this?

Like whats the goal? Cause this isn't going to stop them from doing it. Clearly, they have the marketing data and show more returns than losses for this trend.

I'm embarrassed for everyone who is actually upset about this, its such a non-issue that will affect no one in the long run.

People care for the same reason low class people support capitalism... Everyone thinks they are going to be the one on top. If you take that away from them they get upset. Without a technical chance to win the lottery the whole facade falls apart.

Honestly in a game like this I personally don't see a reason to care that much unless you're trying to do a 'world first' or something. But people want to at least entertain the idea that it could be them or at least they can think 'i'm one of the first to do x or have y'. In competitive games it makes more sense to me and I'm one of the people who want's to be first in (fighting games for example. You don't want others getting upwards of days to practice before you get a chance).

And I think mostly it's just annoying to people. They see it as unjust. Most of us work jobs we more than hate and are resentful for having to do and on top of that we have to spend what little money we earn doing it on overpriced and un-optimised games to relax after. Meanwhile people who are going to get paid for playing the game anyways also don't have to buy it AND get to play it several days early.

To me it's no more unjust than the rest of our society but it makes perfect sense why people are upset. It's perfectly normal to be jealous in an unjust society.
bassphenomenon 27 FEB a las 10:05 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Stabby_Widdershins:

Fair enough. I'll break 'job' down to it's definition instead:
a piece of work, especially a specific task done as part of the routine of one's occupation or for an agreed price

And some of the larger streamers are expending large amounts of energy to be good at both the games they play, and be amusing on the mic.
I used to stream; Talking, being personally entertaining, and playing a game are difficult to do all at the same time. It takes focus and energy.

And not every streamer is waking up 'after 3 hours of sleep'.
Not to mention, if one wants to stay HEALTHY and be a streamer; They need to make up for the 4+ hours of sitting on their arse per stream by exercising more than a less sedentary person.

------

Sorry to soapbox but it pisses me off when someone says '<x> is not a REAL job!' or <x> is not hard to do!'

I heard this garbage when I worked food service: "That's not a REAL job! When will you get a REAL job?"
About 5 minutes after everyone stops gobbling down Bic Macs. Until then; You want a burger flipper, so stop belittling them.

When I worked at a gas mart: "That's not a REAL job!"
Then stop driving a car. Until people learn to walk everywhere again; You need gas stations and people to run them.

And when I streamed: "That is not hard! It's not a REAL job!"
Then go get 100+ viewers and at least a quarter of them should be subbed to you, without the investment of time, energy, and money serious streamers put in to have good gear.

Sure, any schmuck can start streaming. But if if said schmuck has the personality of wet cardboard, his mic crackles, and his PC can only run the streaming software + the game at 480p; Not many people are going to watch them.

I just fregging hate when people belittle a job choice, or cry about job perks.
If someone does not like that streamers get games early? Don't watch them. Simple as.
If someone wants games early? Invest in becoming a streamer.

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I wish I had the game early. I don't.
So I'm watching Mythbusters episodes all day today.

It's ok, I'm in a soapbox-y mood too, being bored waiting for this game xD.

The definition(s) of job are extremely vague and numerous. It would be more fruitful to consider how much effort is involved (deliberately not using the word 'work' as it is similarly vague). I will attempt to argue that streaming is much less effort than most people exert at even the lowest paying/easiest traditional jobs (what most people in western society think of when you say job - wage labour/owning a business/speculating/etc.), however I feel it is important to point out that we do not live in a society that rewards hard work. Hard work is sometimes rewarded but not always. Similarly, small amounts of work sometimes are extremely rewarding. Two people can do the same amount of work and one person can make billions while the other gets nothing. Capitalism rewards specific skills and actions and there are many elements of luck involved.

You say they spend a large amount of energy, which I agree is true in some sense, but a more important question imo is whether or not it's more effort to work even the lowest paying/easiest jobs. I'm surprised at your stance considering you clearly have had a decent amount of experience with these kinds of work, I'm in the same boat. To me it's easy to see the unjust nature of the whole situation... Most of us go to underpaying jobs we resent only to spend our pittance on overpriced and un-optimized games meanwhile people who are going to make way more money than we ever will for just playing the same game ALSO get it for free AND several days early. You really don't see how that makes people upset?

I only chose to use the 3 hours of sleep thing to try to exemplify the discipline one has to exercise sometimes when one has responsibilities or arrangements. We've all gone to work after 3 hours of sleep after a bender xD. I'm just trying to say having a schedule is not as big of a deal when your doing something enjoyable. I might schedule a christmas dinner party but that doesn't mean it's hard work to show up for it.

I agree all your examples are indeed 'real jobs'. It's too bad we live in a society that thinks working full time at those kinds of jobs is not even valuable enough to pay rent at dehumanising apartment or eat decent quality food. It's not fair that some kid can play call of duty all day and get endless donations while real people are out there struggling working 'real jobs'. Or that some guy gets more than a years salary of minimum wage for shilling raid shadow legends for 2 minutes on his youtube video. It's just freaking not.

And lastly, the things you listed for successful streaming, I would argue, are not a lot of effort, but rather a combination of luck, personality (luck), and financial investment (which could be argued as work In some sense but is more complicated than that because you are INVESTING in order to make even more money, as well as other reasons.)
Something 27 FEB a las 10:07 a. m. 
I ain't readin' all that.
imagine giving streamers money to begin with haha
bassphenomenon 27 FEB a las 10:12 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Mag Smrodu:
I ain't readin' all that.

pffffft. What else r u going to do all day while waiting for wilds?
bipoqrlz 27 FEB a las 10:12 a. m. 
Gamers get mad at anything and everything.
kaintk 27 FEB a las 10:13 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por SUPER AMPED ELEMENTAL DISCHARGE:
oh wow my hype just died mhrise looking more beautiful now
oh damn, you surely hurted these 4-5k+ streamer viewership with your single unscribing, damn

that said, yeah i think its stupid to allow streamer having a early access while the millions of fans had to wait. its should not be a thing
Última edición por kaintk; 27 FEB a las 10:14 a. m.
RuNA 27 FEB a las 11:07 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Red:
who asked? also i got a 4070 ti super
VanHoven 27 FEB a las 11:08 a. m. 
they wouldnt give ppl early access if there were no benefits. more ppl see the game that maybe wouldnt otherwise translating into more purchases. they have our money allready.

it is how it is. its really not a big deal.
Última edición por VanHoven; 27 FEB a las 11:08 a. m.
|<[]-ę 27 FEB a las 11:20 a. m. 
People say "it's advertising"... ok, to whom, us? We already have this game in library, wishlisted for months.
If it's advertising to people that do not have it so why those who have must wait?
I can't even play it at release because I will be at work, I can play now, it's perfect time actually but I can't because I don't have streamer privilages.
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