Are Charge Blade mains re-rolling into another main wep?

[Hardwenzen]

After how much of a disappointment CB was in the first beta, i told myself that when the game comes out, i'll main another weapon. Played the second beta, and decided to try the Gunlance. It was OP, and way stronger than CB, but after playing it for around 8h, i just can't use such a simpleton/braindead weapon. My neurons aren't being activated by playing such a noob-stink weapon, so even tho is super powerful, i decided to stick with CB, even though i cann't stand anything Savage Axe related.

[Hardwenzen]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Hardwenzen:

When you're in SnS mode, you get access to guard points (which are useless in Wilds, but weren't in previous titles), so having access to agility, guard pointing, then unloading SAED's was the ultimate way to play the weapon (and i am only referring to the endgame played in coop. NOT speedrunning solo). If SAED was on par with World, and savage axe as just like it is, i would see myself using savage axe on CC'd targets, and just before the CC ends, i would unload all my overcharged phials with SAED. That way i'd be using savage axe, saed and sword and shield mode, but unfortunately, Capcom wasn't intelligent enough to give us a proper SAED.

the whole point of the charge blade is to use both modes as they are conditionally relevant, if you need guard points you'd spin back into sword to go on the defensive, and when safe spin back into axe to continue doing big damage, that is the point i just made.

they gave us reasons to actually use the weapon as more then just a discharge tool, thats a good thing.

It would be nice to use both modes if both modes were good, and required approximately the same decorations, which ain't the case. So if you want to be optimal, you choose your playstyle, and in Wilds its real easy cuz there's only one option, Capcom deleted SAED.

[RotGoblin]

Originally posted by Hardwenzen:

I never played Switchaxe, so i can't talk about the weapon, but CB wasn't changed. They deleted the core playstyle of the weapon, the reason most CB mains began maining the damn thing. Big difference.

Insect Glaive is my second chosen weapon in World, and that had a total rework and I liked that too.

A new challenge isn't always a bad thing.....

[Hardwenzen]

Originally posted by Goblin:

Originally posted by Hardwenzen:

🤦‍♂️Savage Axe and its trash mobility is the extreme opposite of safe. Why would you talk about safety when you're praising SA lol? SAED is safe because you're primarily in sword and shield mode, a mode that is super agile with evade extender, you have perfect blocks and guard points. That is how you don't cart. I expect extreme amount of charge blade users to be cart simulators at the endgame of Wilds... almost guarteed because everyone will use Savage Axe, and you ain't dodging ♥♥♥♥ while wielding twin towers, especially in multiplayer where the monster is constantly switching targets.

...You sounds pretty tryhardy.

Am i supposed to feel bad right now? YES, i try to play as well as i can. If you're a casual that doesn't care about your performance and just presses W, good, enjoy.

[JPM岩]

Isnt CB one of the strongest weapons in the Beta?

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Isnt CB one of the strongest weapons in the Beta?

Yes

[Hardwenzen]

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

I have always thought charge blade looked cool, but it is too complicated for me.

It really is not. I started with it for the reason you stated, it looked cool. Felt super clunky at the beginning because the muscle memory needs to be dowloaded of what to press and when, but that's why this weapon is so fun, you're not just pretty two bottons while watching Netflix.

[RotGoblin]

Originally posted by Hardwenzen:

Originally posted by Goblin:

...You sounds pretty tryhardy.

Am i supposed to feel bad right now? YES, i try to play as well as i can. If you're a casual that doesn't care about your performance and just presses W, good, enjoy.

No, you're not meant to feel bad. You just might need to lighten up a bit. See, there's this great thing called fun....

[Dr. Raven]

Originally posted by Hardwenzen:

Originally posted by Dr. Raven:

♥♥♥♥♥ who cares, I did Arkveld in 14 minutes without capturing, suck my ass. I don't care if there are people who can do it in 8 minutes. It's better to be play how you want and be safe if that's my desire than 99% of players who do nothing but cart nonstop.

🤦‍♂️Savage Axe and its trash mobility is the extreme opposite of safe. Why would you talk about safety when you're praising SA lol? SAED is safe because you're primarily in sword and shield mode, a mode that is super agile with evade extender, you have perfect blocks and guard points. That is how you don't cart. I expect extreme amount of charge blade users to be cart simulators at the endgame of Wilds... almost guarteed because everyone will use Savage Axe, and you ain't dodging ♥♥♥♥ while wielding twin towers, especially in multiplayer where the monster is constantly switching targets.

My original post was not praising savage axe. I said in my post it was tricky, and THAT I play looking for perfect guards to discharge my phials. Which is the opposite of it. All the speedruns I see are in savage axe mode. I do not have interest in replicating those speedruns atm. Maybe later after I am comfortable with knowing all the monsters' attack patterns down to the letter.

[Hardwenzen]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Hardwenzen:

🤦‍♂️Savage Axe and its trash mobility is the extreme opposite of safe. Why would you talk about safety when you're praising SA lol? SAED is safe because you're primarily in sword and shield mode, a mode that is super agile with evade extender, you have perfect blocks and guard points. That is how you don't cart. I expect extreme amount of charge blade users to be cart simulators at the endgame of Wilds... almost guarteed because everyone will use Savage Axe, and you ain't dodging ♥♥♥♥ while wielding twin towers, especially in multiplayer where the monster is constantly switching targets.

there is more to a weapon then its mobility, its damage is something to consider, the charge blade has 2 modes, one is safe and one is far more damaging. which is again the point.

Where have you see this being the point? And who said that the long ass animation of SAED in Wilds is safe? No, that's not it. In Wilds, SA has very high damage, and is clunky as hell. SAED is clunky as hell, while also having no damage, AND because that's enough, you're purging all your overcharged phials that you'd use in SA mode, which makes you waste time charging them in SnS mode. Again, this game has no SAED. If you care about your performance, you simply do not use it. The signature skill of the weapon has been deleted.

Very smart, Capcom. Very smart.

[Hardwenzen]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Isnt CB one of the strongest weapons in the Beta?

In Savage Axe mode. You also can't really take the data from speedrunners that fail their runs a billion times before posting a perfect montage without mistakes as any kind of viable data for endgame multiplayer farming. It can tell you the approximate damage a weapon can achieve, but don't rely on it too much.

[Hardwenzen]

Originally posted by Goblin:

Originally posted by Hardwenzen:

Am i supposed to feel bad right now? YES, i try to play as well as i can. If you're a casual that doesn't care about your performance and just presses W, good, enjoy.

No, you're not meant to feel bad. You just might need to lighten up a bit. See, there's this great thing called fun....

And who said i am not having fun playing the way that i do? Exactly, don't judge someone else, and the way they prefer playing games.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Hardwenzen:

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Isnt CB one of the strongest weapons in the Beta?

In Savage Axe mode. You also can't really take the data from speedrunners that fail their runs a billion times before posting a perfect montage without mistakes as any kind of viable data for endgame multiplayer farming. It can tell you the approximate damage a weapon can achieve, but don't rely on it too much.

Ehhhhhh?

How can consistant players (speedrunners) not be a good source? They play the game objectively and SA does destroy mobs.

[zero]

Originally posted by Hardwenzen:

Originally posted by zero:

there is more to a weapon then its mobility, its damage is something to consider, the charge blade has 2 modes, one is safe and one is far more damaging. which is again the point.

Where have you see this being the point? And who said that the long ass animation of SAED in Wilds is safe? No, that's not it. In Wilds, SA has very high damage, and is clunky as hell. SAED is clunky as hell, while also having no damage, AND because that's enough, you're purging all your overcharged phials that you'd use in SA mode, which makes you waste time charging them in SnS mode. Again, this game has no SAED. If you care about your performance, you simply do not use it. The signature skill of the weapon has been deleted.

Very smart, Capcom. Very smart.

by how the weapon plays? and a saed isn't safe, thats axe form, its by nature not safe unless you prep for it, that is the point lol.

the axe form had no reasonable use in wilds/rise aside from saeds because of how they designed it, they have once again gone back to an older form of it in which it has more use outside of doing just that.

[RotGoblin]

Originally posted by Hardwenzen:

Originally posted by Goblin:

No, you're not meant to feel bad. You just might need to lighten up a bit. See, there's this great thing called fun....

And who said i am not having fun playing the way that i do? Exactly, don't judge someone else, and the way they prefer playing games.

I mean.. one look at your OP and your comments. Nothing here says you're having fun.

You just sound like someone tryharding over DPS, trying to min-max and sweat.

Which is your prerogative, if you want to do that, go nuts. But... it doesn't seem like you're having fun. It just seems like you're comparing your performance to others in a PVE cooperative title.

[Hardwenzen]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by Hardwenzen:

In Savage Axe mode. You also can't really take the data from speedrunners that fail their runs a billion times before posting a perfect montage without mistakes as any kind of viable data for endgame multiplayer farming. It can tell you the approximate damage a weapon can achieve, but don't rely on it too much.

Ehhhhhh?

How can consistant players (speedrunners) not be a good source? They play the game objectively and SA does destroy mobs.

Because you're not seeing the amount of /restart before they post their perfect montage. Nobody plays like that when you're farming the endgame. And yes, SA has a lot of damage, but its also a very good way of getting destroyed at the endgame. As i said above, i predict CB users will be cart simulators when Wilds comes out. Watch.