[ RESOLVED ] - Improved performance with new CPU + GPU, looking to optimize

[noaokami]

Origineel geplaatst door noaokami:

This will be sort of an update to this thread here, as I've finally received the new CPU + GPU based on the suggestions from the comments and I wanted to share how well they performed.

My new current build:
Motherboard: MSI X570-A PRO (MS-7C37)
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X <-- was hoping to get the 5800X3D but couldn't get my hands on one, had to settle
GPU: AMD Radeon RX 6800
Memory: 32 GB
Running the game on a 1TB SSD (not my HDD)

And here is my result when running the game on High settings, with Frame Generation and AMD Native AA turned on. [i.imgur.com]

Mind you, I ran it on Ultra too, and the performance was pretty similar. I turned it down a notch to try getting just a few more crumbs of FPS.

Of course, it wasn't perfect, but it was a serious improvement from what I had before. I'm satisfied. However, I will note that while the cutscenes looked smooth, the moment it transitioned to the gameplay section there was a significant drop in frames - particularly when the weather clears and you're on the Seikret walking in the grass. My FPS went from 70+ to the 30-40 range.

This is definitely a letdown, as the majority of our experience with this game will be in those areas, and I'm wondering what setting changes could possibly mitigate that without sacrificing too much quality.

I also noticed that if I wasn't running AMD Native AA, the hair/textures looked so crunchy it was almost unbearable. Like, "jesus christ, even World looked better than that," unbearable. I'm not sure why.

What's working for you guys?

Managed to push my PC as far as I think it can go, thank you to those who commented with suggestions. Here is a screenshot of my benchmark result now, after implementing the changes.[i.imgur.com] Figured I'd add it in case anyone else in a situation like mine needs an answer.

[Palicai]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXnOhuHraA

Thats how your game should run with that GPU, but the CPU you have should NOT hold you back THAT hard...its weird.

EDIT: wait, 6800Xt, X, XTX...i dont understand AMD's naming, i might be wrong here.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Origineel geplaatst door Palikai:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXnOhuHraA

Thats how your game should run with that GPU, but the CPU you have should NOT hold you back THAT hard...its weird.

That CPU will definiatly hold him back that much. x3d are infact that much more powerfull.

https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/amds-silent-launch-ryzen-5-7600x3d-cpu-review-benchmarks-vs-7800x3d-5700x3d-9800x3d

[Loxly]

when 5700x3d tray version exists and you settled with 5700x going from 3700x..... worse upgrade of the century, Did you not try to ask on a PC forum and research about it? certified bruh moment

[Kiririn]

Origineel geplaatst door Palikai:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXnOhuHraA

Thats how your game should run with that GPU, but the CPU you have should NOT hold you back THAT hard...its weird.

EDIT: wait, 6800Xt, X, XTX...i dont understand AMD's naming, i might be wrong here.

The 6800xt is stronger than the 6800. But also the video you linked showed that system dropping into the low 40s.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Origineel geplaatst door Kiririn:

Origineel geplaatst door Palikai:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXnOhuHraA

Thats how your game should run with that GPU, but the CPU you have should NOT hold you back THAT hard...its weird.

EDIT: wait, 6800Xt, X, XTX...i dont understand AMD's naming, i might be wrong here.

The 6800xt is stronger than the 6800. But also the video you linked showed that system dropping into the low 40s.

Nobody cares. Stop trying to derail threats

[Palicai]

Origineel geplaatst door Kiririn:

Origineel geplaatst door Palikai:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWXnOhuHraA

Thats how your game should run with that GPU, but the CPU you have should NOT hold you back THAT hard...its weird.

EDIT: wait, 6800Xt, X, XTX...i dont understand AMD's naming, i might be wrong here.

The 6800xt is stronger than the 6800. But also the video you linked showed that system dropping into the low 40s.

Yeah it isnt great, but its better than what OP reported.

The truth is, some games we want come out in "broken" states, and it forces us to either play them at low settings, skip them all togheter, or upgrade.

Plenty games did that to me over the years, at one point it will happen.

Im sad to say OP, but you seem to have met a wall here when it comes to this game, its unoptimized and uses an egnine not suited for the game they are going for, and your system simply isnt strong enough for the task.

If you can upgrade at one point, get the 5800X3D, those are not expensive anymore, not really.

And if you upgrade the GPU at one point, anything above a 4060 performance card is preferable. 4070Ti S and up is what i recommend, dont know AMD's card in that range.

But yeah, sometimes it sucks.

[noaokami]

Origineel geplaatst door Goblin:

That is definitely underperforming.

First off, move to driver 25.2.1 (not the magic bullet but it helps)

What is your RAM speed and did you set the XMP/DOCP profile in the Bios?

Also have you installed the Chipset driver?

-edit- and did you use DDU to fully remove the Nvidia drivers? When swapping between Nvidia/Radeon/Intel GPU's you should DDU the old drivers away.

https://www.guru3d.com/download/display-driver-uninstaller-download

Instructions and dowload on that page. Basically, it will ask you to reboot into safe mode, and for best results unplug/disable your internet whilst you DDU to prevent Windows from messing it up and trying to install their own driver.

Thank you, I didn't even know about that optional driver release and I've just installed it now.
My RAM speed is 2133 MHz.
No, I did not set an XMP/DOCP profile, I've never overclocked a PC and I generally don't mess with the Bios aside from what's absolutely necessary.
When you say "chipset driver", what do you mean by that?
And yes, I used DDU, all the Nvidia drivers are gone.

For context, I have not touched my custom build for years and only today did I perform the upgrade. The build I had to begin with was my very first one. I had to get help from a friend of mine. I'm not familiar with things like overclocking and some terminology, so my knowledge is a bit surface level...

[Kiririn]

Origineel geplaatst door Palikai:

Origineel geplaatst door Kiririn:

The 6800xt is stronger than the 6800. But also the video you linked showed that system dropping into the low 40s.

Yeah it isnt great, but its better than what OP reported.

The truth is, some games we want come out in "broken" states, and it forces us to either play them at low settings, skip them all togheter, or upgrade.

Plenty games did that to me over the years, at one point it will happen.

Im sad to say OP, but you seem to have met a wall here when it comes to this game, its unoptimized and uses an egnine not suited for the game they are going for, and your system simply isnt strong enough for the task.

If you can upgrade at one point, get the 5800X3D, those are not expensive anymore, not really.

And if you upgrade the GPU at one point, anything above a 4060 performance card is preferable. 4070Ti S and up is what i recommend, dont know AMD's card in that range.

But yeah, sometimes it sucks.

There is another option and that is to wait. I didn't play World until later on and I turned out ok lol. I do however understand being upset at Capcom for screwing this up if you were excited.

The 6800 should be significantly better than a 4060. Seems like it's just Capcom being Capcom.

https://www.techspot.com/review/2701-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060/

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Origineel geplaatst door noaokami:

Origineel geplaatst door Goblin:

That is definitely underperforming.

First off, move to driver 25.2.1 (not the magic bullet but it helps)

What is your RAM speed and did you set the XMP/DOCP profile in the Bios?

Also have you installed the Chipset driver?

-edit- and did you use DDU to fully remove the Nvidia drivers? When swapping between Nvidia/Radeon/Intel GPU's you should DDU the old drivers away.

https://www.guru3d.com/download/display-driver-uninstaller-download

Instructions and dowload on that page. Basically, it will ask you to reboot into safe mode, and for best results unplug/disable your internet whilst you DDU to prevent Windows from messing it up and trying to install their own driver.

Thank you, I didn't even know about that optional driver release and I've just installed it now.
My RAM speed is 2133 MHz.
No, I did not set an XMP/DOCP profile, I've never overclocked a PC and I generally don't mess with the Bios aside from what's absolutely necessary.
When you say "chipset driver", what do you mean by that?
And yes, I used DDU, all the Nvidia drivers are gone.

For context, I have not touched my custom build for years and only today did I perform the upgrade. The build I had to begin with was my very first one. I had to get help from a friend of mine. I'm not familiar with things like overclocking and some terminology, so my knowledge is a bit surface level...

You have a 3000 MT/s kit for ram or is that only kit 2133? XMP/A XMP or whatever amd has in bios named can just use the kit's default speed.

[Kiririn]

Origineel geplaatst door noaokami:

My RAM speed is 2133 MHz.
No, I did not set an XMP/DOCP profile, I've never overclocked a PC and I generally don't mess with the Bios aside from what's absolutely necessary.

Try applying DOCP! That should boost your CPU performance a bit. Ryzen, especially the gen you have, benefits from faster RAM by quite a bit.

[noaokami]

Origineel geplaatst door Loxly:

when 5700x3d tray version exists and you settled with 5700x going from 3700x..... worse upgrade of the century, Did you not try to ask on a PC forum and research about it? certified bruh moment

Thank you for your incredibly helpful response! Did you read the part where I said I'd tried to get an X3D but wasn't able to? Or the part where I said I'd made an entire thread beforehand where I asked people with way more knowledge than me about upgrade suggestions?

Stop wasting people's time with responses that lack any substance whatsoever.

[Kiririn]

Origineel geplaatst door noaokami:

Origineel geplaatst door Loxly:

when 5700x3d tray version exists and you settled with 5700x going from 3700x..... worse upgrade of the century, Did you not try to ask on a PC forum and research about it? certified bruh moment

Thank you for your incredibly helpful response! Did you read the part where I said I'd tried to get an X3D but wasn't able to? Or the part where I said I'd made an entire thread beforehand where I asked people with way more knowledge than me about upgrade suggestions?

Stop wasting people's time with responses that lack any substance whatsoever.

People assume they are the center of the universe and because something is available where they live that it must be available where you live.

[noaokami]

Origineel geplaatst door Kiririn:

Origineel geplaatst door noaokami:

My RAM speed is 2133 MHz.
No, I did not set an XMP/DOCP profile, I've never overclocked a PC and I generally don't mess with the Bios aside from what's absolutely necessary.

Try applying DOCP! That should boost your CPU performance a bit. Ryzen, especially the gen you have, benefits from faster RAM by quite a bit.

I'm going to look into this, thank you so much dude. Now that I've installed that driver I'm gonna be giving my PC a restart to see how far I can push things.

[noaokami]

Origineel geplaatst door Palikai:

Origineel geplaatst door Kiririn:

The 6800xt is stronger than the 6800. But also the video you linked showed that system dropping into the low 40s.

Yeah it isnt great, but its better than what OP reported.

The truth is, some games we want come out in "broken" states, and it forces us to either play them at low settings, skip them all togheter, or upgrade.

Plenty games did that to me over the years, at one point it will happen.

Im sad to say OP, but you seem to have met a wall here when it comes to this game, its unoptimized and uses an egnine not suited for the game they are going for, and your system simply isnt strong enough for the task.

If you can upgrade at one point, get the 5800X3D, those are not expensive anymore, not really.

And if you upgrade the GPU at one point, anything above a 4060 performance card is preferable. 4070Ti S and up is what i recommend, dont know AMD's card in that range.

But yeah, sometimes it sucks.

Yeah, I've come to accept this is gonna be one of those games that comes out in a veryyyy poorly optimized state, so now that I've hit that "wall" you speak of all that's left is either a waiting game or another future upgrade.

Thank you for the recommendation. I really was eyeing a 5800X3D and was close to buying one, but by the time I got paid, I woke up to see it out of stock and I was so sad T_T

[RotGoblin]

Origineel geplaatst door noaokami:

Thank you, I didn't even know about that optional driver release and I've just installed it now.
My RAM speed is 2133 MHz.
No, I did not set an XMP/DOCP profile, I've never overclocked a PC and I generally don't mess with the Bios aside from what's absolutely necessary.
When you say "chipset driver", what do you mean by that?
And yes, I used DDU, all the Nvidia drivers are gone.

For context, I have not touched my custom build for years and only today did I perform the upgrade. The build I had to begin with was my very first one. I had to get help from a friend of mine. I'm not familiar with things like overclocking and some terminology, so my knowledge is a bit surface level...

Ohhhh the RAM @2133Mhz is going to be a large part of your problem.

So, AMD Ryzen processors directly scale their performance with memory speed (up to a point), so the faster your memory is, the faster the CPU can compute. This directly applies to game performance too.

So, if your memory is capable of higher speeds you really want to try and enable them, or get someone around who is comfortable tinkering in the BIOS.

At minimum, set an XMP profile of at least 2666Mhz, preferably 3200Mhz if the RAM kit is capable.

Extra techy stuff that isn't as important and only if you have someone BIOS confident helping out: FCLK/Infinity Fabric should be set to EXACTLY HALF the set RAM speed. So 3200 = fclk 1600, 2666 = fclk 1333 etc etc.

Of course none of this matters if your RAM sticks said 2133Mhz on the box.

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Chipset driver is the AM4 motherboard driver, helps the cpu talk to windows better, basically.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am4.html