Artian Upgrade Question

[Harry Coxx]

I‘m trying to farm the perfect Artian Greatsword and as far as I understand it there is a predertermined table of which upgrades you‘re gonna get.
So my question is, if there are two tables for weapons with and without element or status build up?
For example: I roll a non Element weapon with 3 ATK 1 SHRP and 1 AFF. Will my next Element/status weapon be effected by the roll I got on the non Element weapon or are there 2 seperate tables for Element and non Element weapons? Since i obviously cant get any ELEMENT boost on my raw damage weapon.
I‘ve crafted so many weapons by now and still haven‘t got the Rolls i Need for my GS (4 ATK, 1 SHRP) with Dragon or Para Element. Any tips on how to get the Rolls i Need are greatly appreciated.

[Jethro]

I'd assume so, since elemental boost would make no sense on a non elemental/status weapon.

That being said, it would make sense that the chances are different as you're removing one potential affix from the table.

However i don't think there's any potential tampering of chances from one weapon to another.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

perfect para GS sounds weird but im no gs main

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Harry Coxx:

Artian Upgrade Question
I‘m trying to farm the perfect Artian Greatsword and as far as I understand it there is a predertermined table of which upgrades you‘re gonna get.
So my question is, if there are two tables for weapons with and without element or status build up?
For example: I roll a non Element weapon with 3 ATK 1 SHRP and 1 AFF. Will my next Element/status weapon be effected by the roll I got on the non Element weapon or are there 2 seperate tables for Element and non Element weapons? Since i obviously cant get any ELEMENT boost on my raw damage weapon.
I‘ve crafted so many weapons by now and still haven‘t got the Rolls i Need for my GS (4 ATK, 1 SHRP) with Dragon or Para Element. Any tips on how to get the Rolls i Need are greatly appreciated.

No. Just one table with different interpretation.

Take for example melee and ranged weapon - what is sharpness for melee becomes capacity for ranged. But the table is always five times out of three options

[Iggi]

Correct, people call them seeds. So to break it down:

Your GS crafted weapons have an inherent seed built in per type of weapon. Element Vs Non-Elmenent. When you craft a weapon, doesn't matter which type Ele or Non-Ele, that seed is altered and will now apply to the two options. For example, I have 2 weapons already crafted, one is Non-Elemental, the other is Elemental. I didn't get the proper stats I wanted when upgrading either of them for their respective purposes.

I make 1 more weapon, which pushes the seed forward under the GS umbrella. I reinforce this weapon to see what stats I get. If it has the stats I want, I'll reset the game, make dummy weapons until I get to just before the seed I want with the right stats. Then make my desired weapon and reinforce it.

So ideally you would save your game first, make a dummy weapon, reinforce it to see what stats you get. Does it have the right stats?

Yes - great, reset the game, make your desired weapon and immediately reinforce it.

No - break that weapon down, craft a new one, apply reinforcement. Does this have the stats I want?

Yes, reset game, make dummy weapon first, make desired weapon 2nd immediately reinforce.

No - break down the 2nd weapon, and repeat the process.

Now if you run out of mats to make the throw-away weapon be the same type as the base weapon you want to keep (ele or non-ele), you're going to make your desired weapon, apply reinforce, and reset as necessary.

In fact what I would suggest is an example where you want an elemental weapon. You craft a dummy one first, reinforce. Reset, make a non-elemental weapon, make a dummy element, reinforce. Reset, make two non-elemental first, dummy element 3rd, and so on.

Obviously you’ll craft whatever you have mats for, since we all don't have 500 of each weapon part lying around.

Keep in mind this is per weapon. So if you make nothing but GS weapons it won't affect the seeds of any other weapons.

Slightly better description:

Craft Weapon (ele or non-ele don't matter)
Element - A1 Seed // Non-Element B1 Seed

Craft 2nd Weapon (ele or non-ele don't matter)
Element A2 Seed // Non-Element B2 Seed

Craft 3rd Weapon (ele or non-ele don't matter)
Element A3 Seed // Non-Element B3 Seed

The seed goes up by 1 for each type (element or non-element) of greatsword every time you craft. The seed is also tied to the newly crafted weapon, not any previous weapons you crafted. So the stats for the first weapon you make is set in stone if you decide to reinforce it. Nothing you do to can change these stats. You have to make a new weapon and reinforce it. Your first weapon is essentially trash, but is required to be made to push the seed further.

[Harry Coxx]

Originally posted by Iggi:

So ideally you'd want to make a base weapon you're happy with, save your game. Apply the reinforcement, didn't get what you want, reset. Now make a weapon that matches your base weapon, element or non-element, apply the reinforcement to this throw-away weapon.

To make sure I understand it correctly. I will craft the base weapon I want and Save my Game. Will the Seed of my base weapon be effected by the Upgrades i put on my throw away weapon? I always thought the seed was fixed the Moment i craft the weapon.
So i could let my base weapon sit in my Storage, craft as many throw Away weapons i Need to get the right seed and once i get the seed i want, i Reload the Game so the last throw away weapon with the Rolls i want was Not crafted yet. If i Upgrade my Base weapon now, i will get the exact upgrades i just got on my last crafted throw away weapon?

[Iggi]

Originally posted by Harry Coxx:

To make sure I understand it correctly. I will craft the base weapon I want and Save my Game. Will the Seed of my base weapon be effected by the Upgrades i put on my throw away weapon? I always thought the seed was fixed the Moment i craft the weapon.
So i could let my base weapon sit in my Storage, craft as many throw Away weapons i Need to get the right seed and once i get the seed i want, i Reload the Game so the last throw away weapon with the Rolls i want was Not crafted yet. If i Upgrade my Base weapon now, i will get the exact upgrades i just got on my last crafted throw away weapon?

Sorry, sorry, you are correct, let me correct that. Coulda sworn I tested it earlier and it came out to alter the stats of the previously crafted. You are absolutely right. Craft your weapons in order until you get the stats you want, then reset, craft all the way up to just before that weapon that had the stats you want, and THEN craft your weapon you want to keep.

Apologies.

[Jeppe]

sheesh this is becomming stupid. Its essentially slow and tedious cheating with the dummys and save. Just download a cheat mod like most other morons, or be happy and accept what you get without reverting saves.

[Harry Coxx]

Originally posted by Jeppe:

sheesh this is becomming stupid. Its essentially slow and tedious cheating with the dummys and save. Just download a cheat mod like most other morons, or be happy and accept what you get without reverting saves.

Yeah the whole Upgrade system is Not very well designed and super Frustrating. I wish you could just choose which upgrades you want.
This is just mindless grinding and if youre unlucky you will Never get the upgrades you want.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Harry Coxx:

Originally posted by Jeppe:

sheesh this is becomming stupid. Its essentially slow and tedious cheating with the dummys and save. Just download a cheat mod like most other morons, or be happy and accept what you get without reverting saves.

Yeah the whole Upgrade system is Not very well designed and super Frustrating. I wish you could just choose which upgrades you want.
This is just mindless grinding and if youre unlucky you will Never get the upgrades you want.

How is it frustrating aside from being too simple?

[CH3DD4R_G0B-L1N]

Originally posted by Harry Coxx:

Yeah the whole Upgrade system is Not very well designed and super Frustrating. I wish you could just choose which upgrades you want.
This is just mindless grinding and if youre unlucky you will Never get the upgrades you want.

The funny part is, with this being essentially a 4U sequel, we had the deterministic "artian" crafting in that game already. So we're moving backwards with this gacha system that is somehow even WORSE than the essence grind in Sunbreak. Another head-scratcher from the mainline team.

[Harry Coxx]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

How is it frustrating aside from being too simple?

Because you just have to Hope to get good RNG and have no was to Manipulate it. I probably have crafted 60+ Artian weapons and none of them had the upgrades i needed.
Some people will get in Their First 5 Attempts others will have to craft 100+ weapons to get the Desired outcome. And since there is no way to Trade with other Players its just Not a good System IMO.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Harry Coxx:

Originally posted by アンジェル:

How is it frustrating aside from being too simple?

Because you just have to Hope to get good RNG and have no was to Manipulate it. I probably have crafted 60+ Artian weapons and none of them had the upgrades i needed.
Some people will get in Their First 5 Attempts others will have to craft 100+ weapons to get the Desired outcome. And since there is no way to Trade with other Players its just Not a good System IMO.

That is just randomness. In general 1 every 200 has a perfect outcome. That is not that bad.