Response to: "It runs well for me"

[N00B]

I don't want to insult anyone. I find that that kind of aggression just hurts the discussion. However, I do have some questions for the people who do defend the game's performance by claiming "it runs well for me".

For starters, what do you define as "running well"? The few I've managed to talk to claimed it was playable, but when asked admitted it ran under 60 fps. That is distinctly not acceptable. We live in the year 2025. The standard has been 60 fps without stuttering for years. While I am aware that most Monster Hunter games were limited to 30 fps by hardware, there is no excuse to keep us from a smooth 60 fps minimum, especially on PC, who's customizability should normally allow us to surpass that threshhold entirely. If your game does not in fact reach that basic standard, I'm afraid you don't really have a stake in the discussion, as it is not about what you consider playable, but about what people have been accustomed to, as well as what they were promised in the game's own hardware requirements, which also stated "60 fps (with frame generation)", openly admitting that the game cannot reach that crucial standard.

Secondly, I would like to point out that performance is a crucial part of any game. Not only do more frequent frames allow for better visual comprehension, especially with a moving camera, but all of the "bells and whistles" designed to hide subpar performance ultimately maje ut worse. The biggest culprits being DLSS and Frame-Generation. DLSS uses A.I. to upscale a lower-res render of the game. This is problematic as the smaller details contributing to the low performance may outright disappear from the upscaled image, but will still have an undeniable impact on the game's performance, while also resulting in a nevertheless blurry image, that makes important visual information blurry and incomprehensible. Frame-Generation is similarly problematic. All of the issues regarding frame-interpolation were discussed by various animators when the technology first came out. Similar to then, Frame-Generation is not a replacement for a high fps, as all of the generated frames are simple guesses as to what the in-between frame would be, which can either create frames that serve no purpose beyond a mild transition, or create extremely blurry smear frames whenever the two frames its using a distinctly different. And in addition to not providing any benefit, Frame-Generation itself also has a substantial impact on performance, buffering frames and adding lag to the unaffected frames as well.
If you reached that 60 fps standard using DLSS and Frame-Generation, I' afraid you're only lying to yourself

Finally, if your game does however meet the standard of a consistent 60 fps, I would like to ask if you could provide the rest of us with help. Tell us what hardware you're using, what your graphics settings are and other information. If you simply claim that your version of the game "runs well" and then don't try to help others who do struggle, I must inform you that that is a very rude thing to do.

To summarise;
"Does your game actually run at a smooth 60 fps (minimum) ?"
"Was DLSS and Frame-Generation mandatory to achieve that performance?"
"Could you share your hardware and software details and help the rest of us who are struggling to reach that performance? not just your hardware specs, but also in-game and software settings that may also impact performance."

Once again I reiterate, its not about what you consider playable, but about the basic modern standard. And its not about if you can run it. But if other loyal Monster Hunter fans can run the game well enough to enjoy the aspects the devs did put effort in.

Thank you for your time.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by Truess:

So no matter what they are right though, at the end of the day we are paying for a product that in all honesty should work correctly at launch with little to no problems.

Sure sure, but I played no issues, my friends all played with no issues. My brother had a few issues but he has a potato cpu lol so him playing at all was good enough, and he beat it! No issues beating it, some technical issues.

Sometimes what people consider "issues" are them not wanting to do something like lower resolution, or use dlss. Which fair if they don't wanna but that's on them, if they can't get it to work the way they want they should refund it. Maybe leave a negative review with the "issues" they had. Others consider anything under 120fps and issue, but they also wanna game at 4k so it's hard to please people.
Then they complain as we have seen that any lvl of troubleshooting is needed. But the reality is if you want plug in play you have to maintain your PC or go console.

Does the game have some issues? Yeah, and any of those should be fixed, but if your goal is 240fps 4k without frame gen and native, this ain't it, you won't get that, no amount of "preformance and optimization" will get you this and people should know that.

[Ya Mada]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Originally posted by Truess:

So no matter what they are right though, at the end of the day we are paying for a product that in all honesty should work correctly at launch with little to no problems.

Sure sure, but I played no issues, my friends all played with no issues. My brother had a few issues but he has a potato cpu lol so him playing at all was good enough, and he beat it! No issues beating it, some technical issues.

Sometimes what people consider "issues" are them not wanting to do something like lower resolution, or use dlss. Which fair if they don't wanna but that's on them, if they can't get it to work the way they want they should refund it. Maybe leave a negative review with the "issues" they had. Others consider anything under 120fps and issue, but they also wanna game at 4k :aushrug: so it's hard to please people.
Then they complain as we have seen that any lvl of troubleshooting is needed. But the reality is if you want plug in play you have to maintain your PC or go console.

Does the game have some issues? Yeah, and any of those should be fixed, but if your goal is 240fps 4k without frame gen and native, this ain't it, you won't get that, no amount of "preformance and optimization" will get you this and people should know that.

Lmao what a joke of a reply

[Kobi Blade]

It runs well for me.

[Posivated]

Game isn't perfect but with a 4070 super and an i7 14700f with high res textures I only have bad performance in camp, I've never had a problem on any hunt even during the first week of launch. I use frame gen and have no complaints about it, I think some people on PC just aren't that bothered by only having 80-100 fps like myself. Game is fantastic and will probably put quite a few more hours in.

[Dae]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Does the game have some issues? Yeah, and any of those should be fixed, but if your goal is 240fps 4k without frame gen and native, this ain't it, you won't get that, no amount of "preformance and optimization" will get you this and people should know that.

This response is a classic glazer diversion. No one can hold stable framerate, not even locked @30fps as evidenced by a delusional on here posting video proof, by simply turning the camera too fast. No one is complaining about what you're stating but you likely know this and posted that nonsense anyway.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by Ya Mada:

Lmao what a joke of a reply

Very well broken down, top tier rebuttal! I have no defence now

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by Dae:

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Does the game have some issues? Yeah, and any of those should be fixed, but if your goal is 240fps 4k without frame gen and native, this ain't it, you won't get that, no amount of "preformance and optimization" will get you this and people should know that.

This response is a classic glazer diversion. No one can hold stable framerate, not even locked @30fps as evidenced by a delusional on here posting video proof, by simply turning the camera too fast. No one is complaining about what you're stating but you likely know this and posted that nonsense anyway.

I hold a literal steady 75 fps lol but that's not the point, no magical wand of "preformance and optimization" will get you a massive increase in what we currently have. No magical patch will double that even.

Also yes, I have seen these exact complaints across these forums lol some people do believe that native 4k 120fps should be the minimum in some cases, and others won't have less the ultra settings either.

Others don't and won't even use anything past default settings, they refuse custom settings options.

Some think they are entitled to all games working with zero troubleshooting. It's nice that most games don't need that, but sometimes you just have to. I am not saying you keep that game either, refund that ♥♥♥♥, leave a negative review!

But let's not sit here an act like your bad experince is everyone's experince, just like my good experience isn't everyone's lol it's 1 very subjective, 2 entirely up to you as it's your money what you decide is unacceptable is on you to decide.

I don't consider what I got unacceptable, it was very fun and the next big update I'll be back enjoying it again at my 75fps high settings

[NeoX]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Originally posted by Dae:

This response is a classic glazer diversion. No one can hold stable framerate, not even locked @30fps as evidenced by a delusional on here posting video proof, by simply turning the camera too fast. No one is complaining about what you're stating but you likely know this and posted that nonsense anyway.

I hold a literal steady 75 fps lol but that's not the point, no magical wand of "preformance and optimization" will get you a massive increase in what we currently have. No magical patch will double that even.

Also yes, I have seen these exact complaints across these forums lol some people do believe that native 4k 120fps should be the minimum in some cases, and others won't have less the ultra settings either.

Others don't and won't even use anything past default settings, they refuse custom settings options.

Some think they are entitled to all games working with zero troubleshooting. It's nice that most games don't need that, but sometimes you just have to. I am not saying you keep that game either, refund that ♥♥♥♥, leave a negative review!

But let's not sit here an act like your bad experince is everyone's experince, just like my good experience isn't everyone's lol it's 1 very subjective, 2 entirely up to you as it's your money what you decide is unacceptable is on you to decide.

I don't consider what I got unacceptable, it was very fun and the next big update I'll be back enjoying it again at my 75fps high settings :praisesun:

^ this should be pinned as the threads solution comment!
100% agree

[thelogsneverlie]

I was able to get 60fps with a couple of drops for a split second without framegen. though I hope they further optimize the game so that we can stop the bad performance reviews

[NeoX]

Originally posted by thelogsneverlie:

I was able to get 60fps with a couple of drops for a split second without framegen. though I hope they further optimize the game so that we can stop the bad performance reviews

Sadly there are realistic expectation for improvements and unrealistic.
For example there is maybe a 20% fps improvement chance on the GPU end with reducing VRAM usage and maybe lower some poligons for certain settings. On the CPU side, there is close to 0 improvement room because of the overall eco-simulation design and background processes.

Some people expect a reasonable improvement range and other well...

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3440 x 1440
DLSS is on but set to DLAA ( its running native just using it for better anti-aliasing)
frag gen is off
everything set to max but ray tracing off ( i cant see any difference with it on vs off accept for some water reflections) High Res Texture pack installed on on.

4080 rtx
12900 kf
32 gigs ddr4 3200 mhz
m.2 NVMe SSD samsung 990 pro

While the game could run better my frames mostly stay around 65 fps, with drops to 50 fps here and there. I mean i could not set everything to max and be running alot high FPS. but the game runs good to me at avg 60 fps. and looks good.

I will say i had to set the Game to run as Administrator to get rid of stutter i got from using the High Res Texture pack.. ( it would stutter when rotating the cam really fast causing fps to drop low) Maybe something with accessing the data fast enough? dunno but stutter free after setting to to run as admin. Can 360 all day,, smooth and fast as any First person shooter.

[lolschrauber]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Also yes, I have seen these exact complaints across these forums lol some people do believe that native 4k 120fps should be the minimum in some cases

What a load of nonsense, nobody ever thought this way. But it's more than fair to expect that a game that looks the way this game looks to perform much better.

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Some think they are entitled to all games working with zero troubleshooting. It's nice that most games don't need that, but sometimes you just have to.

You even aknowledge that other games work much better, too. Why would anyone be satisfied with below standard performance?

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Others don't and won't even use anything past default settings, they refuse custom settings options.

That's a flat out lie, that's the first thing most people play around with when they're unsatisfied - the big issue with this game is that settings barely affect the performance, so of course people will crank them up.

[Cykada]

I have 13gen intel core i5-13400F 16 CPu, 2,5 Ghz
32GB Ram
RTX 4070 12 GB
You might say my computer is not good enough... reading post here of people who have much stronger PC claiming its 'Nothing Extreme'...well game doesn't have any 'Extreme' graphics either, very often some texture look like PS3 Era, so why would i need so powerful PC for something like that? I have games that looks way better than monster hunter and i run them on maximum details with 4k. Here i got 40 fps up to 50 if i setup DLSS to balance. My biggest issue is textures that load in a front of me constantly, no meter what graphics settings i use. Fps Drop to 15 every time i use crafting NPC or any other. Cut Scenes drop to 20fps. There is clearly no reason for that. You can defend game all you want but its not optimize properly, and with that configuration of some of your PC getting 60 fps with that graphics is just insane requirements. My PS5 runs this game better than my PC and doesn't even have half of its power. Its not about can you run it, its about did they do it right, and obviously they didn't.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by lolschrauber:

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Also yes, I have seen these exact complaints across these forums lol some people do believe that native 4k 120fps should be the minimum in some cases

What a load of nonsense, nobody ever thought this way. But it's more than fair to expect that a game that looks the way this game looks to perform much better.

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Some think they are entitled to all games working with zero troubleshooting. It's nice that most games don't need that, but sometimes you just have to.

You even aknowledge that other games work much better, too. Why would anyone be satisfied with below standard performance?

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Others don't and won't even use anything past default settings, they refuse custom settings options.

That's a flat out lie, that's the first thing most people play around with when they're unsatisfied - the big issue with this game is that settings barely affect the performance, so of course people will crank them up.

Where have you bin hiding that you haven't seen these people who refuse to do any basic form of anything? Lol

I'm not saying it's every single person but I have in fact seen these 🤣

Of course other games run "better" no game is perfect. But if I use an example from even my brother and I our experince with space engineers right? I have played it for years, on 2 different PCs I have played it and it runs great.
My brothers experince less so lol, even when he upgraded his PC and we had the exact same specs across the board. We bought 2 of every part at 1 point when we built 1 wet of PCs he still had issues rofl

In fact his issues were so wild the Devs helped us and couldn't figure out why, some guy jumped into our games to help with troubleshooting and had no issues like me but could actively witness my brothers issues lol he reported back to the devs it was true even.
This is the reality of some games, you can just draw the ♥♥♥♥ stick and everyone else is good.

I am not saying thats the wilds experince either, just an example of someone getting it bad. No game is "perfect" if you dislike what you got though you should voice it, I'm not sure why that part is going unregistered. I actively encourage people to voice their issues they won't get fixed if you don't try haha

[Rum]

runs well for me