Mr House evil?

[Unknownno]

Hey guys I want to know if you think Mr House is evil why? Or why you think he the best choice.

Thanks :)

[A Disappointed Horse]

I think he's the best choice because he's the only one that offers a stable long-term future for Vegas. The NCR is corrupt, inefficent and copying a society (USA) that has proven itself not to work. The Legion will fall apart as soon as Caesar dies, as so many in the game explain. Yes Man is putting the entire city in the hands of a Courier with no leadership experience. Whereas House has spent over 200 years thinking everything through exactly. He knows, to the letter, what he wants to do and how best to do it, and doesn't have the limitation of time. And so I think he's the only sensible option.

[ElPascal]

I think there is no "evil" in New Vegas. Mr. House definitely has the ability to restore Vegas. He's rich, intelligent and has the power to pull his plan off. But on the other hand, he's obsessed with Vegas. He wants to rebuild a city of sin, gambling and prostitution without ever going in it or gaining any actual profit. Maybe he has a god-complex, being in his tower and watching everything from up there, using his influence to shape the city the way he wants it to be. And he doesn't care about anything outside of the Vegas Strip, just look how f u c k e d up Freeside, Westside, the North Vegas Square, and especially South Vegas are. So I don't think he's a good choice, as he became more computer than man over all the time. Just as the NCR and the Legion, he's damned to repeat the mistakes of the past.

[Pancakekitty]

Well, I don't really think Mr. House is 'evil' per say... none of the factions in the game are black or white. I mean, the NCR aren't as good, or the Legion as evil, as some people might first assume. I mean, the NCR has done some pretty questionable things and Caesar has motives that aren't as shallow as 'world domination' or some such thing.

Really, I think Mr. House is just seeing to his own motives and what he thinks is best for New Vegas.

[Unknownno]

Hmmmm

[MatthewPhoenix]

I agree with the rest, he is pretty much the best option for New Vegas to be New Vegas. Just the rest of the world can burn in his opinion (which is exactly what happen when the nukes fell).

[Roachbait]

One major point that seems to be mostly-overlooked is that this game is chuck-full of questionable ethics and motives...from meglomaniacal psychopaths, to altuistic saviors, the scale is vast, and most of the shades are very grey...and the lines between good and evil become blurred and obscure...
You are given a choice, to choose between the lesser of three evils...and there isn't really a "best" outcome, in the end, people will still suffer, taxes will go up, and inflation will widen the distance between the classes...even with the Courier at the helm...it all adds up to one big broken ship, with a crazy crew, who all want to go different directions...even as the ship is taking on water while it rolls around on the reef of reality...
Is it more "evil" to:
A: let an over-long-lived fossil from a dead world who hides his face from the masses (in shame from and ancient scandal?) and treats people like insects in a display-stand just go ahead and determine who-get's-what, while allowing gangs to profiteer (and abuse) the local populace for his own personal whims and wants?
B: let a long-dead government led by a man who names himself after one of history's biggest tyrants (that tyranny which led to his assassination) just go ahead and slaughter anyone who decides to think for themselves, in order to further a government that failed (miserably) due to corruption and vice?
C: let a not-so-long-dead govenment rekindle it's stranglehold on humanity, with high taxes and "land-grab" tactics that uses it's army to "settle" the wastelands in a "peacful" manner (yeah, right...) which in turn, itself, is no less than a monarchy led by a ruling family...no matter how the votes fall...a failed shade of democracy gone wrong in the worse way?
D: let yourself decide what's best, you have little (or no) experience at all, besides deciding the best route to deliver your next package, you've been brought back from the brink of death, on a vendetta where you seek out the transgressors who interfered with your delivery...?

None of the above are suitable candidates for leadership. They all lack "Bearing", "Integrity", "Respect", etc...That includes you, as your own motives are shady at best, besides that, the Courier is a stone-cold killer, with a deathlist a couple miles long (almost a serial killer...) I mean, is it ok to just kill someone because they got someone else mad? For pay? That makes the Courier an assassin of high order, with a vengeful side....not exactly leadership material either...when you consider all the drawbacks to dictatorships in the past...eventually they end in a bad way...and the Courier would fall straight into that trap, by default.

The best answer you can ever hope to get is:
E: None of the above.

It would almost be better if the Courier could just step away, and fade into the wasteland, another fable to scare small children with (so they don't wander off into the Wastes in the middle of the night) by telling them to behave "Or Courier 6 will get ya!"

Absolute power, in any form, has ways to corrupt even the most dedicated souls, absolutely...

Roachbait

[Vita, Mortis, Careo]

I've always seen House as a lawful evil figure; he makes the rules, he'll stick to the rules and he can be trusted to keep his word, but the rules exist to serve his ends, not necessarily anyone else's. His "New Vegas" faction, however, is the epitome of lawful neutral, as it does not actively seek to aid nor hinder others.

[Mr Shelley]

The best outcome for the Mojave is the NCR taking control.

House won't be able to hold onto the strip. He has a limited number of securitrons and the Families can be bought. Plus, how does he plan to hold onto the Dam forever? The Legion doesn't just fase away when beaten. There will still be remnants in the Mojave. The BOS won't just let a chapter that wasn't rebellious go cold without connecting the dots. The NCR sure as hell won't allow some upstart Master wanna-be run New Vegas, a city they lost men in protecting. Plus, how does he plan on extending control across the Mojave? His lines will be thin, just like the NCR's. Unless, he just wants to hold onto New Vegas, which doesn't have any farms to provide it with food.

These same reasons stand against the Courrier gaining control over New Vegas, though this option gives more interesting writer choices in terms of overall lore.

Also, the tunnelers will just end House anyways. lol

[Toroic]

Did you guys not read the part where Mr. House stopped 68 of 77 nukes from hitting Vegas?

He wants to preserve and protect the last true city, and he's done a damn good job of it. Do you notice how things are a lot less irradiated around new vegas than they were around the DC area?

That's because of Mr. House. He's not evil. He's, at worst, neutral. I'd argue that since his ultimate goal is preservation of humanity, he's good. Doing distasteful things in the short term, for the purpose of forwarding his ultimate goal, is simply practical.

Often times, people need to die for change to happen.

Originally posted by Frank Horrigan:

The best outcome for the Mojave is the NCR taking control.

House won't be able to hold onto the strip. He has a limited number of securitrons and the Families can be bought. Plus, how does he plan to hold onto the Dam forever? The Legion doesn't just fase away when beaten. There will still be remnants in the Mojave. The BOS won't just let a chapter that wasn't rebellious go cold without connecting the dots. The NCR sure as hell won't allow some upstart Master wanna-be run New Vegas, a city they lost men in protecting. Plus, how does he plan on extending control across the Mojave? His lines will be thin, just like the NCR's. Unless, he just wants to hold onto New Vegas, which doesn't have any farms to provide it with food.

These same reasons stand against the Courrier gaining control over New Vegas, though this option gives more interesting writer choices in terms of overall lore.

Also, the tunnelers will just end House anyways. lol

The NCR are a bunch of idiots prime to turn into a dictatorship, where special interests are put ahead of the will of the people.

The Legion is held together by a charismatic leader, and nothing else.

The courier is good at fighting, but he's really not equipped for making major social and economic decisions.

House held the strip for hundreds of years, and his secutron robots are 1) not finite, since he can build more (and he has a ♥♥♥♥ ton built already), and 2) have major weapons hardware. Open warfare against them would be basically suicide post-upgrade.

[Dustin81]

I think the Followers of the Apocolypse are the only faction who are white in the game with everyone esle being shades of grey.

[Unknownno]

Prepare for some reading: All of the responses are quite interesting...here is my 2 cents:

I always side with Mr House (unless I'm doing a NCR or Legion playthrough) because he does not force people to come to New Vegas and he has so much experince in technology and economics meaning he has the power and know how to get people into orbit and rebuild everything on Earth.

People say that he prob wont do anything for the rest of the Mojave well yes but thats not really his job thats more of the NCR's job but you can see that they suck at it.

Mr House also does not interfere with anyone in New Vegas as long as they follow the rules which are pretty basic things (Dont steal, dont kill, no standing in the fountains, no guns in casinos)

He even says it himself that he has no interest of prying into peoples personal time as long as it follows the rules of New Vegas.

All in all Mr House is nuetral He wont hurt you for no reason but he wont help you unless it helps him aswell in some form.

Now here are the problems I have with NCR:

They were once much better in the first two games they seemed more "peaceful" under Tandi and "less" corrupt unlike in the Mojave under Kimball they are much more conquering and more keen on just sending soliders too solve the problems.

They also have no problem sending hundreds and hundreds of there own Soliders to there deaths just for a Dam because Kimball said so.

And they also have Mr House assainated just so they can take control of New Vegas even tho Mr House has followed the New Vegas Treaty and has not violated it.

They also just take land and say its theirs and they are spread too far they can barley hold themselfs together.

[YouRackDisciprine]

Originally posted by Toros:

Did you guys not read the part where Mr. House stopped 68 of 77 nukes from hitting Vegas?

He wants to preserve and protect the last true city, and he's done a damn good job of it. Do you notice how things are a lot less irradiated around new vegas than they were around the DC area?

That's because of Mr. House. He's not evil. He's, at worst, neutral. I'd argue that since his ultimate goal is preservation of humanity, he's good. Doing distasteful things in the short term, for the purpose of forwarding his ultimate goal, is simply practical.

^ This. Also, House did mention that his ultimate goal was to restart all major industries & eventually send humans out into space (seeing as how Earth is one giant wasteland), and the casinos in Vegas was simply a means to fund those goals.

Another little tidbit: If House takes control of Hoover Dam, he actually gets it running more efficiently than other factions (some of the NPCs mention this, I think).

[danconnors]

The Brotherhood of Steel is the best long term survival prospect for humanity. They realize that uncontrolled/uncontrollable big government was the cause of the apocalypse that destroyed Earth. Their form of government is completely different. It is basically a myriad of small governments spread over the whole planet. These governments will only work together to eradicate huge governments trying to rise from the ashes of the previous huge government.

They have created the Legion to counter the NCR. There will be further counters in the future. They have mostly destroyed the Enclave--the remnants of the original huge government. They realise that technology in the hands of an uncontrollable government is entirely evil and leads to killing on a scale so vast it makes the chaotic violence of the wasteland seem benevolent.

They will control technology. When the NCR is broken up they will take its technology back, leaving the planet under the control of savage, local, warlords, each able to control only a few hundred square miles of territory.

The only bastion of civilization will be the Brotherhood. The Brotherhood realizes that civilization isn't necessarily a "good" thing for humanity.

[bothersome]

Actually, it was high technology that destroyed the Earth. If nukes hadn't been around or invented, mankind couldn't have destroyed it. Some technology and knowledge is needed. Like fighting off virus and germs. Making the quality of life for all better. But powers tend to want more power and therefore enlist their populations for war. Because war, war never changes.

The bigger issue is what is mankind going to do about the new threat, the Tunnelers? They are coming. The threat is so great that it forced NCR and Legion to fight side by side to stay alive. Humans need to learn to live with each other and put their efforts into saving themselves.

The BOS seems to me the best of the whole lot. But the game doesn't have an ending where the BOS would be the leaders. BOS is basically wanting to get all the old super dangerous tech out of the hands of the tribes. Yet leave them enough tech to make their lives better. But something has to be done to change the hearts of men so that war can come to a final end.

Maybe it is best that a super deadly enemy is now coming on the scene. One so dangerous that anyone not 100% fighting for survival is going to be cut down and killed. Maybe this is what's needed to get man to live with one another and use teamwork and each other to stay alive.

Mr. House is just interested in profit. Ceaser thinks the only thing man needs is warriors and no technology to help. NCR is just a power hungry government simular to the old world.

The Currier has Yes Man to "handle the books and oversee the Currier's wishes." The Currier at least has the experience and has seen the lives of many peoples and tribes. He would be in a position to decide what is best and worst from each tribe that he visits. That's one of the reasons that the USA becase so powerful, it took the cultures and ideals from just about every other nation on Earth. Made best use of all those as a melting pot and had the best rise to the top. The Currier in the same way can see what's best from all the known tribes and impliment the working formulas. Someone has to lead, it may as well be the Currier, and he has some experience fighting the Tunnelers.

From the looks of things, the earth will not be populated with humans anymore if they can't get over their power struggles.