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MMUE does some weird crap it has no excuse to even glance at. As an example, the trauma harness in Old World Blues. Changed it to male on the basis of, I ♥♥♥♥ you not this is directly from the changelog, "Y-17 trauma override harness were set female in vanilla despite them being trained soldiers. Set all of them to male." Please note there were women who fought in World War 2, the harnesses were used by scientists, and we know one of the important scientists at Big Mountain, Dr. Dala, was a woman. Misogyny AND not knowing what he's really doing. Or it might be ignorance of women serving in the military in the time period where the Fallout series never moved on from in terms of culture, but that still leaves it as whoever makes MMUE changing things even when he doesn't know what it is.
NVEC's bugfix portion includes a lot of the same crud as MMUE unfortunately.
YUP isn't without its own issues, but it should have fewer compatibility issues with other mods.
None of them are perfect.
Can you tell me what some of these facepalm-worthy fixes and issues are for each mod?
You can probably guess how that would turn out for any mods that happen to use those areas.
The situation hasn't really changed much regarding the various bugfix patches in the time since my previous post. YUP seems to be the only that's had any updates and that seems to have tailed off recently too.
Edit: I just remembered one facepalm-worthy thing. They removed the layer of red rock from the hills near Red Rock Canyon. That's definitely not a bug as it's like that in the real world.
Also despite that there were females in the army during World War 2, they did not fight IN the war, Army did not have women on the frontlines so they would not have needed these harnesses in regards to the game universe. Do your research dude, this is back when people were still horribly misogynistic, unlike this issue you have. The closest to the front lines they had, were working as nurses. None of them would be trained for combat because of this. Reasoning was that "The U.S. decided not to use women in combat because public opinion would not tolerate it." There might have also been a few female scientist theoretically that this could have happened to, but it could not have been the majority of skeletons. It also doesn't take an expert in human sexual dimorphism to see the characteristics of a human male in the model and clothing. That is broad shoulders, larger hands, etc. http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/e/e1/FNVOWB_Trauma_Harness.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/242?cb=20150817194822
In Fallout they might have had a few women in the army, but not many, both due to the culture, and the massive depopulation from the massive disease too.
There is also one special enemy of this type, the "Y-17 master trauma harness" is revealed in terminals to have been Mr. Harris and is listed as female. I am sure if they could the mod developer would make them have a random gender on spawn, but there is no cosmetic reason and may be hard to do since they are all set to one gender. The NPC Armour they use to make them appear as skeletons also has no model for a female variant. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/SkeletonSpaceSuit
So when all evidence in the design entirely points to being male, wouldn't it make sense to make them male? If you want to get all mad about a skeleton's gender, then be mad more at the designers then the mod maker.
2. Way to show the mysoginy by whining they can't have been women. Oh, and you think a place in the FUTURE is somehow the past and that you think the past was worse then it actually was.
3. Those harnesses were not used by people on the front lines. You idiot. They were for people who worked there incase of an accident. Why do you hate the idea a modder came up with a nonsensical excuse to make a nonsensical change? They weren't soldiers so his entire line of reasoning for the change was based on NOTHING but his ignorance from the start.
Congrats, you showed you did just as little research as he did and can't fathom scientists are not magically all soldiers and think an isolated scientific faicility is somehow the frontline of a war. Do you even listen to yourself? Goodbye, it is clear you are a very angry little man and a fanboy of that modder based on how you go out of yout way to pretend robot suits have a gender and that women didn't exist as soldiers or as scientists at the time. His entire reasoning was nonsense both for being sexist and without accuracy to the past AND the entire assumption used to justify it being outright wrong. They were not used by soldiers, they were for if scientists got injured. You'd know that if you read.
PS
You even cited one of the harnesses that is EXPLICITLY worn by a researcher. You don't even know what the things you cite to back yourself up with even are, why do you try?
2. This game takes place in the future, sure, but you said it yourself on how culturally it is in the WWII era. Also how can you say I was thinking it was worse than how it was, I was rather vague! It was though, especially after the war ended. Time for a bit of a lesson of the era I guess. When WWII came around, women were encouraged to take up jobs at home and in the war as medical. At home they got to take in jobs in munitions in factories, for the stuff needed to win the war. After the war however when the soldiers came back home women were demobilised from these blue-collar "mens" work. This was a transitory period for womens rights though, they were encouraged to take up work in the more white-collar jobs, things like accountants and such more office type stuff. This however sparked fights for more rights, and for an equal pay wage too. Around this time a Women's wage was considered a secondary pay, not central for a family's income but more as extra to what a man was to bring in. So yes, there was a lot of misogyny.
3. They were made for use on the front lines. They had both soldiers and researches testing out the prototypes. My bad I neglected researchers, I made one mention that some did but I did an awful job of pointing out researchers too. Still though, even the wiki makes mention that it is both researchers and soldiers. Remember that military is one of the group's funding the facility. So there may have been maybe a few women researchers in that group too, but women were horribly underrepresented in both fields.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Y-17_trauma_override_harness
Also of that question you asked, I can ask a reversal of that too on why you can't accept the mod maker actually having some basis on the change. By the way, would it kill you to remain at least a little civil? Calling the other person an idiot does not help your argument, and is actually detrimental to your statements to other people.
I guess I was not clear enough with saying that it was made for soldiers trained for going on to the frontlines, not that the science base is on the front lines because no ♥♥♥♥, heh. Now sorting through the unnecessary insults and repeating of the points you raised. You too are getting mad about a skeleton with a robot suit's gender too. Also I have read, thanks, I have played and enjoyed the DLC, and all the lore in all the terminals. Not saying that they didn't exist at all, all I have been saying is that it is not enough to merit every single enemy being female like how it is in the base game. Also I must say that I am quite the opposite. I mean I am not too small, just under average at 5'7'', and I am rather happy to due to the fact I am going to be seeing my boyfriend soon, been dating the guy for about a year now.. not that you care though since you seem to hate my guts.
PS: Even though I neglected to mention that there were researchers too, it still does not demerit my point that a person who is obviously was male is still listed as female by the base game.
PPS: Points you completely glossed over.
* The clear sexual dimorphism of the model.
* The NPC Armour not having a model variant to be worn for a female character.
Now if you reply, if you want to, due take a deep breath and chill out a little alright? Staying civil and of a calm mind will help you raise better points, and have it better written out. Insulting the other person does nothing but demerit your points due to Ad hominem fallacy. Have a good day ah.. ma'am? I hope it is the right pronoun, considering the name Alice. Though I can't say with absolute certainty, with the transgender flag as your avatar. Unless you just have that flag to show your support to those who are which is good, I have many friends who are and I have seen how hard it can be on them, support is good.
I use YUP, and to be honest I haven't noticed any effects (good or bad), so I guess that's a good thing.
Played with numerous mods and had very little trouble full stop; let alone anything noticeable with YUP. Many mods focus compatibility on YUP bugfix in my limited experience.
Oh, and yeah, YUP even to this day. This is actually a very significant topic to bring up because considering the mods that are still usable from a few years ago(5 years max), YUP will definitely give you the best stability / compatibility, simply because all of the best mods are old, were offficially completed years ago, and overall probably won't change enough to create more issues with YUP. Obviously it's not perfect, but hey, y'know, that's modding.
..Though was fun to write, my argumentetive skills have gotten rusty, heheh.