The powder gangers seem incomplete

[Doctor Go-Go]

Seems like it would make more sense if it could have been negotiated with NCR to let Meyers be the sheriff then Meyers could deputize the other Neutral Powder gangers as his police force. Not all convicts are evil and malicious they just happen to be on the wrong side of the law, misguidance or they were setup and or given an unfair trial by corrupt and or incompetent governing. Circumstances, but circumstances can change.

A sheriff is like a mayor but of a county. Chief Deputies are standing sheriffs of districts and municipalities. So I take it if Meyers is supposed to be a chief deputy which means he could hold jurisdiction over Primm and Goodsprings or wherever else he assigns any of Lt Deputies.

I was able to do both Ghost town gunfight in Favor of Ringo and the citizens of Goodsprings and I fought the law in the Powders favor without upsetting the NCR. I just used the grenade launcher to lob a grenade at each squad to weaken them so the Powder gangers could easily kill them.

Still shunned by the Powder Gangers but they don't attack so that's all that really matters.

It just seems it would have made more sense to be able to use Meyers as an ambassador of peace due to his ties and influence negotiating peace with the citizens, Cobb, Ringo and the NCR.

SO it does seem like they never really finished most of the quests. SO many of them seem broken or incomplete.

Because the convicts at the prison were not hostile, they are clearly neutral just getting by day to die like everyone else. The convicts that left to go plunder are the bad guys in all of it. The powder gangers residing at the prison just want freedom and to be left alone while the NCR want control. They are going after the wrong objective. So releasing and turning the non-violent offenders into deputies under Meyers and supervision would have made more sense. Yet again large over-regulated irresponsible government failing. You teach people right and wrong, the black and the white but you can't teach them to use their own discretion to allow things to remain gray when it's not really harming anyone. Laws don't always need to be enforced. It's a matter of discretion and circumstances.

[Akasaki]

Mayor is the only one who don't want to take part in any crime because he himself was a crime fighter, get put to the jail because he's too hardcore. (Many cops in real life are facing the same judgement too.) He even ask for the pardon and he want to protect primm from any harm by his frontier justice and put on the sheriff's uniform to make things cooler.

Unlike the others in the gang.

The prisoner use dynamite to escape and conquer the prison. The shockwaves sending to deathclaw in nearby area and force them to go on surface, raid the junction.

The prisoner try to grow bigger and use the prison as their castle. Call themselves a powder gangers and Try to rob the town, raid and killed a family on their way, killed and rape the caravan female members. I'm not sure if the ruined houses around the skydiving office was caused by them or not but if they do, they deserve the worst.

They are hostile to many other factions because they want to make their name and raid the caravan and travelers is the fast way to earn money and they don't care if they hurt any innocent people. Most of them still stay with the gang to gain profit from shelter and resources and just love to see things go boom.

I agree with you about how to use the law. But for the powder gangers that still happy to do crimes and do not put down their faction outfit to clean themselves, try and plan to raid the caravan, travelers, shoot the mailman at primm and mess with my Goodsprings, anyone who take part in it must be eliminated. And anyone who point the gun toward me will die really fast.

Imo, if dev really want to make more powder gangers content, they may grow bigger and become another mafia in the region and become mr.house obstacle in one day. But honestly, I thinks they won't go that far because they surrounded by many other factions that far more powerful and they hated by everyone basically. If the incident in the vault (red/blue conflict) didn't turn to their favor, the dynamite will depleted and they are unable to gain more profit, the only way is to join the great khan. That will be the end of the faction it self. Also the NCR can raid the prison successfully even the courier not join the event. So it's all depends on us but with out the courier, they will die or disband at some point.

[Bomb Bloke]

Originally posted by Doctor Go-Go:

Because the convicts at the prison were not hostile, they are clearly neutral just getting by day to die like everyone else. The convicts that left to go plunder are the bad guys in all of it. The powder gangers residing at the prison just want freedom and to be left alone while the NCR want control.

The Gangers in and around the prison are sending out raiding parties. There's no way to negotiate "peace" with them, because that's their only option for staying there; they have no means of survival other than petty banditry - and they're fine with that.

The ones who aren't, leave.

Originally posted by Doctor Go-Go:

So releasing and turning the non-violent offenders into deputies under Meyers and supervision would have made more sense.

As I suspect you're aware, there's cut content in the game that did involve Meyers bringing some friends from the Ganger's facility.

This may've been removed due to the logical need to acquire pardons for them as well. Enlisting Meyer already requires you to get one - and he's not the only option for sheriff! Compared to the ease of picking the NCR or Primm Slim to look after the town instead, going to the trouble of pardoning multiple convicts may've been considered unbalanced.

If not unrealistic. Meyers happens to have the right background, and his time is nearly served anyway - but for the NCR to allow a group of Gangers to take over small population of Primm, you'd need some very solid evidence about their intentions.

[Doctor Go-Go]

Yeah, but given the circumstances the NCR are serving as the marshals, troopers and governor therefore they would have the power to pardon and deputize at their own discretion.

They are in the middle of a conflict zone, Governor, Trooper and Sheriff as well as constable have the power to deputize whomever they see fit at any given moment. They are in the middle of a conflict zone. Evidence? It would be more of a discretionary judgment call. Since Meyers has been given the position he then has the authority to deputize or enlist whomever he feels like making an officer or one of HIS deputies. More pardons? They are in the middle of conflict zone, do you think Meyers would care if they questioned him for bending the law?

There is no guarantee in this scenario, all you can do is enlist the aid of people that seem trustworthy or competent and hope for the best. Just like in the real world. What could they do to Meyers? Nothing, it's a compromise much like in the real world.

When given the authority to deputize that implies liability or responsibility for the outcome. If his actions were to come into question later he could easily argue he needed them. You can't worry about idiots arguing policy and do the job.

If an official bends or breaks rules but has good reason for it then it's okay. INTENT is nine tenths of the law. Why they broke the law is more important than the law being broken. Such as breaking a building window, if the building is on fire and the window must be removed then it's okay. Intentions.

Been so long I don't remember anything about a fantasy make believe video game. So yeah, it makes sense content was cut since so much of the plot seems incomplete.

[Johnny Casey]

As if there's anything in this game that's not incomplete. Broken, bitten, maimed and cut.

[MeatShake]

Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

As if there's anything in this game that's not incomplete. Broken, bitten, maimed and cut.

You tellin' me all the 8 hour video essays on youtube talking about how deep this game is are exaggerating a little?

[ZumZoom]

Originally posted by MeatShake:

Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

As if there's anything in this game that's not incomplete. Broken, bitten, maimed and cut.

You tellin' me all the 8 hour video essays on youtube talking about how deep this game is are exaggerating a little?

Still best 3D Fallout.

[McJiggy]

Why did the NCR think it was a good idea to give convicts dynamite and to send a felon from their jail in California that is known for using explosives to commit crimes to the Mojave jail that was undermanned?

[Ayearepee]

Understaffed. The NCR is an equal opportunities employer. The jail was understaffed. Not undermanned.

[dr.rosenrosen]

Originally posted by MeatShake:

Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

As if there's anything in this game that's not incomplete. Broken, bitten, maimed and cut.

You tellin' me all the 8 hour video essays on youtube talking about how deep this game is are exaggerating a little?

lol!

i am not sure i blame "cutting" though for the absurdities that abound in this game's narrative. lonesome bore is a monotonous vanity project. caesar's goofy ramblings, the chalkboard screech of elijah or the silly imperiousness of house's sputterings have all at one time or another been held up on the interwebs as evidence that this game has some kind of "depth".

i enjoy the game but part of that enjoyment is laughing at some of the ham handed writing that seems more the result of limited intellects with plenty of time rather than the victim of some nefarious corporate cuts that tarnished their dostoyevsky like genius...

[Baltasar]

Originally posted by MeatShake:

You tellin' me all the 8 hour video essays on youtube talking about how deep this game is are exaggerating a little?

They are indeed. NV has signs of good writing, but the overall game feels rushed and unfinished, as if they've ran out of time with 40% of the milestones still untouched.

[PorcusGrunzus]

You know, what you are talking about was actually intended to be in the game but was cut. There are mods who bring back that cut content and it involves Meyers giving a speech to some previous Powder Gangers who help him defending Primm and bringing back the law.

[Doctor Go-Go]

No I did not know, I don't spend my time looking through ALL of the mods. What's the point of being fanatical about something that's overall trivial if the attitude is going to be "Y'know, you should be as obsessive as I am as well as know and remember everything I do." ?

I was just stating the plot line is so senseless in some cases portions of the game are not finished. That's all.

All I did was help Ringo, then help the powder gangers then save a few captive powder gangers at the Caesar camp raising my status to mixed with the gangers. Shunned or Mixed doesn't really seem to matter anyway. They're a minor faction that doesn't really matter. But for the sake of role play and having NPCs in the area (life) Mixed is fine.

As long as you have the Varmint rifle with a suppressor or the Rat Slayer NPCs can be killed while in sneak mode, "That guy's head was just blown off *as the others NPC or NPCs continue to casually walk by care free* I wonder who did it? Is it that stranger right over there with the suppressed rifle? We'll never know."