Shady Sands nuked after the events of this game (TV Show)

[Akboris]

Todd confirmed that Shady Sands is bombed after the events of this game, crumbling the NCR into little significance shortly after. Regarding the canon ending, Vegas looks like a wreck, with the remains of NCR vertibirds and securitrons littering the streets. Its unclear how the battle of hoover dam ended, but with the lack of legion it wouldnt surprise me if they were beaten at the dam. My headcanon is that the NCR attempted to annex Vegas after defeating the Legion at the dam. During the assault, Vault Tec nukes Shady Sands and the NCR command structure crumbles leading to a mass desertion. The city and the Mojave are in tatters.

[Gillman]

Akula Sub původně napsal:

Gillman původně napsal:

I don't remember the npcs being downright retarded in NV.

Yeah most people you talk to are reasonably intelligent.

And that's what I'm trying to say, most of the wastelanders in the show are written too dumb for the reason of comedy and there too many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the wastelands.

[Akboris]

Gillman původně napsal:

Akula Sub původně napsal:

Yeah most people you talk to are reasonably intelligent.

And that's what I'm trying to say, most of the wastelanders in the show are written too dumb for the reason of comedy and there too many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the wastelands.

I think that they drew the line too heavy between wastelanders and civilized folk. Shady Sands looked like a paradise when really I would expect NCR territory to mimick a third world south american nation, still better than raiders and anarchy..

[The Real Private Kowalski]

Gillman původně napsal:

The enclave still being around is also a problem, they were completely wiped in Fallout 2, which also negates that ending. In NV they can be found, but it's like five old guys in a bunker. I don't know how they went from that to a whole facility, unless they're also from the East Coast.

I would not say it's a problem, the Fallout Bible says that the enclave was all around the globe, If you take that to be cannon then the map on the oil rig is showing enclave bases.

+There are 2 enclave bases we don't have a cannon location for. https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/MacArthur_Army_Base
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Enclave_Vault-Research_Control

[Akboris]

Gillman původně napsal:

GRAVES původně napsal:

Well they did mentioned Maxson brokered peace with the BOS outcast reintegrating them then reestablished contact with other chapters as far as going of earning the full support of the west coast. Sooooo it wouldn't be far off to go back there due to receiving intel about a enclave remnant.

The enclave still being around is also a problem, they were completely wiped in Fallout 2, which also negates that ending. In NV they can be found, but it's like five old guys in a bunker. I don't know how they went from that to a whole facility, unless they're also from the East Coast.

In one of the NV DLC's a Chicago enclave is frequently referenced by ED-E.

[Dosbilliam, Boring but Practical]

I see the title still hasn't been changed to avoid spoilers for people who haven't watched the show yet. Way to be...well, an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[The Real Private Kowalski]

GRAVES původně napsal:

DaveQwerty původně napsal:

Shady Sands was moved, Sinclair now represents the Big MT and is not just buying tech from them, Shady Sands 'Fell' in 2077 and the BOS has T 60 on the west coast. that's all i can think of right now

Really T-60's on the west coast over 200 years after the bombs fall like noone could find a suit or simply have it transported on a airship. Or the fact you see the Prydwen come in from the east coast and Knight Titus (laughed my ass of with the Yao Gai scene) is from the east coast chapter where alot of brotherhood wear T-60.

Well in 1,2 and NV the Brotherhood does not use T 60 AT ALL while in Maxiumses flash back to when the brotherhood solider saves him they are using T 60 around 20 YEARS before the Prydwen goes west. While i guess there could be T 60 on the west coast it seems like Army Ranger or other services armor was used for riot control on the west coast as that's where the NCR Vet Ranger armor is from, while PA was used on the east coast. There could be a few army depots with T 60 but from the looks of it most of the T 60 was on the east coast

[alex010300]

DaveQwerty původně napsal:

GRAVES původně napsal:

Really T-60's on the west coast over 200 years after the bombs fall like noone could find a suit or simply have it transported on a airship. Or the fact you see the Prydwen come in from the east coast and Knight Titus (laughed my ass of with the Yao Gai scene) is from the east coast chapter where alot of brotherhood wear T-60.

Well in 1,2 and NV the Brotherhood does not use T 60 AT ALL while in Maxiumses flash back to when the brotherhood solider saves him they are using T 60 around 20 YEARS before the Prydwen goes west. While i guess there could be T 60 on the west coast it seems like Army Ranger or other services armor was used for riot control on the west coast as that's where the NCR Vet Ranger armor is from, while PA was used on the east coast. There could be a few army depots with T 60 but from the looks of it most of the T 60 was on the east coast

2282 when shady sands got nuked. It’s possible using the Prydwen.

[The Real Private Kowalski]

alex010300 původně napsal:

DaveQwerty původně napsal:

Well in 1,2 and NV the Brotherhood does not use T 60 AT ALL while in Maxiumses flash back to when the brotherhood solider saves him they are using T 60 around 20 YEARS before the Prydwen goes west. While i guess there could be T 60 on the west coast it seems like Army Ranger or other services armor was used for riot control on the west coast as that's where the NCR Vet Ranger armor is from, while PA was used on the east coast. There could be a few army depots with T 60 but from the looks of it most of the T 60 was on the east coast

2282 when shady sands got nuked. It’s possible using the Prydwen.

But there is no mention of the Prydwen going to shady sands in 2082 in fallout 4. Maybe they could but unless Maxson wants to go to lost hills for a bit, the Prydwen has not reason to go to New Cali until the TV show happens. Though that's my opinion so take that with a gran of salt

[StayFrosty ⚓]

Imagine still having this conversation after Todd Howard made a video explaining that it all checks out, they know what they are doing, and also... they created it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6qf1ql_Jjo

[Gillman]

StayFrosty ⚓ původně napsal:

Imagine still having this conversation after Todd Howard made a video explaining that it all checks out, they know what they are doing, and also... they created it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6qf1ql_Jjo

Except, it the creators made it post-hoc, it was clearly damage control on their part. There TONS of other smaller lore discrepancies to point to the fact that they didn't give a ♥♥♥♥.

(If you want one example, Shady Sands is nowhere near where it should be. It's far north of New Vegas, nearly as close to San Francisco as it is to LA. I could give plenty more examples if you wanted.)

Edit: I just remembered another good point, they show library books from Shady Sands, the oldest date listed on them is 2276. (It's shown in the end credits of ep. 5)

[The Real Private Kowalski]

GRAVES původně napsal:

Gillman původně napsal:

You forgot about Valt-tec dropping the nuke, because of money apparently. Also ghouls are completely indestructible now and need to keep taking a drug to stop from turning feral.

How was Shady Sands moved?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0e/21/34/0e21345aeb05460e4119c8fd084f7c0a.jpg

[StayFrosty ⚓]

Gillman původně napsal:

StayFrosty ⚓ původně napsal:

Imagine still having this conversation after Todd Howard made a video explaining that it all checks out, they know what they are doing, and also... they created it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6qf1ql_Jjo

Except, it the creators made it post-hoc, it was clearly damage control on their part. There TONS of other smaller lore discrepancies to point to the fact that they didn't give a ♥♥♥♥.

(If you want one example, Shady Sands is nowhere near where it should be. It's far north of New Vegas, nearly as close to San Francisco as it is to LA. I could give plenty more examples if you wanted.)

Do you hear yourself?

You sound crazy.

[Gillman]

StayFrosty ⚓ původně napsal:

Gillman původně napsal:

Except, it the creators made it post-hoc, it was clearly damage control on their part. There TONS of other smaller lore discrepancies to point to the fact that they didn't give a ♥♥♥♥.

(If you want one example, Shady Sands is nowhere near where it should be. It's far north of New Vegas, nearly as close to San Francisco as it is to LA. I could give plenty more examples if you wanted.)

Do you hear yourself?

You sound crazy.

I listed proof. It's clearly just a f u c k up and they only tackled this, so Bethesda defenders can cite that, while ignoring all the other lore problems.

[Akboris]

Its not near San Fran either its supposed to be in death valley

[Gillman]

Akula Sub původně napsal:

Its not near San Fran either its supposed to be in death valley

I didn't say it was close to San Francisco I said it was nearly as close to San Francisco as it is to LA. Just reread it before posting.