Avellone - "to say Fallout was originally anti-capitalist is 100% wrong"

[Mechenyi]

https://chrisavellone.medium.com/fallout-apocrypha-tv-series-review-part-2-1744b68fe4f2

"Was Fallout, as envisioned in Fallout 1, intended to be a powerful political statement about the evils of capitalism?

Nope. How do I know? Because I went to the source and asked. I thought there was a chance I was wrong, so rather than commit to an assumption, I decided to do some basic, easy research. Like asking a question vs. making a statement. It helps. While there might be stories told by individuals and quests in Fallout that are anti-capitalism, to say its roots are anti-capitalist and Fallout was originally envisioned as anti-capitalist or an anti-capitalist statement is 100% wrong."

"media literacy" bros,,, we got too cocky...

[Vex Hilarius]

The largest capitalist company in history, writing an anti capitalist message in it's capitalist streaming service.

[wifeburger]

Not once is Tim Cain mentioned in this article so it's probably a bold faced lie lol.

[Mofuji]

Fallout has never been anti-capitalist. Anybody who actually thinks that is a gen 2 dumb dumb.

[Tribe Reimanen]

Originally posted by Mofuji:

Fallout has never been anti-capitalist. Anybody who actually thinks that is a gen 2 dumb dumb.

Not fully, but it definitely has its anti-capitalist statements. The entire resource war being one.

[psychotron666]

Originally posted by ✪Reimanen:

Originally posted by Mofuji:

Fallout has never been anti-capitalist. Anybody who actually thinks that is a gen 2 dumb dumb.

Not fully, but it definitely has its anti-capitalist statements. The entire resource war being one.

But the great war was between a hardcore communist country and a capitalist one. So it's almost like the resources and need of them spanned all political ideologies

[Mofuji]

Needing oil and natural resources, and fighting over them, was not about politics. It was about survival.

[Mechenyi]

Originally posted by ✪Reimanen:

Originally posted by Mofuji:

Fallout has never been anti-capitalist. Anybody who actually thinks that is a gen 2 dumb dumb.

Not fully, but it definitely has its anti-capitalist statements. The entire resource war being one.

But every country on earth was involved in them, China being the obvious non-capitalist one like what was already posted. Reliance on oil and uranium isn't a problem with capitalism, if anything, the capitalist country was the one closest to achieving unlimited energy/resources.

Bethesda's Fallouts are definitely leaning into the anti-capitalism tones a lot, but it's absurd because at the same time, they've turned every single corporation in the lore into nothing more than shell companies for the government deep state/enclave.

[ULTRA]

Originally posted by Mechenyi:

"media literacy" bros,,, we got too cocky...

Speaking of media literacy, Chris Avellone didn't work on the first Fallout game and his response (to himself) here is basically tantamount to "my uncle works at Nintendo." As usual though he couldn't help himself but write a paragraph about nothing.

[Lahgtah]

Wouldn't ever call it anti-capitalist, as to do so falls into seeing themes as overly black and white(which is very common today, even on a surface level - nothing is ever alright or slightly above/below average. It's either the best thing ever or total trash, everyone using excessive hyperbole as being emotionally over-reactive is the trend. You can thank popular content creators/influencers for that.)

It's more just a classic tale of greed and lust for power getting the better of someone, and them paying the consequence. There is nothing wrong with getting compensate for your work and ideas, nothing wrong with private ownership bought with currency. There is a problem when "enough is never enough", and competition to have the most material wealth comes at the cost of greatly harming other people in the short or long term.

Being against greed and power lust is not being anti-capitalist.

[100% lob juice]

Avellone is right here, but at the same time acting like the whole Fallout series is apolitical is like considering Metal Gear Solid or Bioshock to be apolitical (not necessarily saying Avellone is doing that, but some of you are)

[Torbaz]

gok

[Mechenyi]

Originally posted by 運び屋さん:

Avellone is right here, but at the same time acting like the whole Fallout series is apolitical is like considering Metal Gear Solid or Bioshock to be apolitical (not necessarily saying Avellone is doing that, but some of you are)

I don't think a single person has ever said fallout is apolitical. The entire point of New Vegas is four competing political ideologies.

[bunies]

Originally posted by ✪Reimanen:

Originally posted by Mofuji:

Fallout has never been anti-capitalist. Anybody who actually thinks that is a gen 2 dumb dumb.

Not fully, but it definitely has its anti-capitalist statements. The entire resource war being one.

resource war is not a capitalism issues, as stated litteraly in the intro it has always been a thing even before capitalism, romans are litteraly given as an example
additionaly communist china is also waging war for resources

on a side note, FO1 def has no anti capitalist anything and i have no idea about FO2, so i think it started about FO3 era

[ureaditwrong]

Even if Avellone said it was 100% right, how can Fallout be anti-capitalist when every "good guy" in the series is unapologetically capitalist? There are no serious critiques of capitalism until Fallout 4 at best.

Fallout could maybe be construed as anti-imperialist, particularly pertaining to US style imperialism, but modern leftists love NATO now, so they need to grift from that to "anti-capitalism" to justify their affinity for the series, which produces the anti-capitalist narrative.

[Doom Sayer]

Originally posted by ✪Reimanen:

Originally posted by Mofuji:

Fallout has never been anti-capitalist. Anybody who actually thinks that is a gen 2 dumb dumb.

Not fully, but it definitely has its anti-capitalist statements. The entire resource war being one.

So capitalism invented resource scarcity?
https://youtu.be/i87xlhqcQG0