The Independent ending is the best

[Virgil]

In defense of independent ending (good karma) :

Before that here are my opinions of other endings

The Legion: if security is your top priority this is the best ending

NCR: decent ending but the problem is towns they force towns into them
sure they get more security and customers but the NCR tax them to hell
Also towns don't need protection from NCR
But their biggest issue is corruption

Mr. House: you can argue this is the best ending but.
If you value mortality he's the worst choice the order of withdrawal for the NCR for electricity and water is ridiculous
Goodsprings and primm get security at the price of not thriving
But It's a good choice.

The independent ending:
Many people use General Lee Oliver statement as an argument
First people assume it's the courier job to do build a nation
But The people of the Mojave will see to that

"Carving out frontiers" it dosent have to happen the Mojave dosent need to be a super power that has to constantly expand the Mojave borders landscape are easy to protect there are a lot of natural choke points that can be easily defended by a militia or a securitrons army

"Building towns" again it's not the courier responsibility to build towns.
Towns will thrive on their own as migrants enter the Mojave if towns are thriving they will in turn expand as well as more settlements

"protect roads and run supplies" well caravans will take care of that.
Also towns can easily patroll the roads and if these towns are thriving then the roads themselves are safe the only real threat is small raider groups as the fiends are destroyed nothing more is in the way of the roads than just your average bandit

Another argument is people say the followers of the apocalypse
ending slide indicates that people die more than any other ending slide but it's wrong let me explain.
First "any chaos in the streets is put down with minimal loss of life" freeside becomes a safe Heaven if the towns are thriving the only logical conclusion is that the Input of patients are coming after the battle of hoover dam what else would put people in danger
Also those are just patients they're not dead which proves that yes man ending dosent actually have more deaths than any other endings and it can be easily argued yes man ending has the least amount of deaths


This was very heavily inspired from the youtuber
Dan Costa academicus

I personally think the independent ending the best

[NightmareGats]

Every single day, this again.

[Vassago Rain]

You see, because I firmly believe in neo-imperialism, I interpret the NCR ending slides to mean the people of the wasteland are now far more liberated and free than they were previously <- this is what you sound like.

[Virgil]

Originally posted by NightmareGats:

Every single day, this again.

All of the endings are good the* story is just well written

[D-code]

Meh.
I really didn't like any ending as the game failed to make me care for a city filled with gangs, criminals, casinos that banned me, canibals, a creepy cowboy robot and some dude in a fish tank.

[Ζiоqch]

If you play a Courier that's completed all the DLCs, has good karma and your Luck and Intelligence stats are really high then you're literally just a better Mr. House.

You're actually ambulatory, and have access to extremely overpowered matter re-combiner technology among very good relations with the most powerful factions.

Also Immortality Penis Tube Machine < Brain Tank

[Virgil]

Originally posted by Ζeіtgeber:

If you play a Courier that's completed all the DLCs, has good karma and your Luck and Intelligence stats are really high then you're literally just a better Mr. House.

You're actually ambulatory, and have access to extremely overpowered matter re-combiner technology among very good relations with the most powerful factions.

Also Immortality Penis Tube Machine < Brain Tank

Still if the courier dissappears after the battle of hoover dam securitrons will continue defending and communities will still thrive

[Lucus]

Originally posted by Ζeіtgeber:

If you play a Courier that's completed all the DLCs, has good karma and your Luck and Intelligence stats are really high then you're literally just a better Mr. House.

You're actually ambulatory, and have access to extremely overpowered matter re-combiner technology among very good relations with the most powerful factions.

Also Immortality Penis Tube Machine < Brain Tank

the only real demerit to independent is yes man going unresponsive to modify himself. which you would think any reasonably smart courier would have made yes man create a separate instance of himself to run things in the aftermath of winning.

the followers being swamped with patients in the independent ending i think they put that in just to balance the good/evil situations of the faction outcomes so it doesn't look like a best faction morally with a good courier.

[Vex Hilarius]

Tl;dr

Profligate. Legion is best because of femboy skirts.

[Sana-kan]

Originally posted by Vex Hilarius:

Tl;dr

Profligate. Legion is best because of femboy skirts.

Those cowards aren't femboy enough.

Headcanon: House. He has run the place for I don't know how long now, and I don't see why that should change.
Current playthrough may go independent but I haven't decided yet.

[Drunk Was Papi]

time to watch/listen to another 9 hour essay on why legion is the best

[black jack]

AVE TRUE TO CAESAR!!! cope harder NCR nerds.

[Khloros]

Personally the 2 best endings to the game are either house, or NCR.

House because the man clearly knows what he is doing, and has got his crap together, sure its tyranny, but its the waste land baby, things suck as they are.

NCR, because while they are bloated with stupid policies and bureaucracy, they are none the less a slowly moving machine.

Truth be told the independent option is a pretty crappy one, for one very simple reason. You dont know how to run a casino or a city, sure the yes man can help you, but whe nyou are dead, not very hard to have one of those crappy families take over.

[Ζiоqch]

Originally posted by Lucus:

Originally posted by Ζeіtgeber:

If you play a Courier that's completed all the DLCs, has good karma and your Luck and Intelligence stats are really high then you're literally just a better Mr. House.

You're actually ambulatory, and have access to extremely overpowered matter re-combiner technology among very good relations with the most powerful factions.

Also Immortality Penis Tube Machine < Brain Tank

the only real demerit to independent is yes man going unresponsive to modify himself. which you would think any reasonably smart courier would have made yes man create a separate instance of himself to run things in the aftermath of winning.

the followers being swamped with patients in the independent ending i think they put that in just to balance the good/evil situations of the faction outcomes so it doesn't look like a best faction morally with a good courier.

Yes Man doing more thinking than you is one of the odd spots in Independence route really.

Also the only bad that really needs to be included in Independence is the fact you do murder the employer who saved your life in his own house to take his stuff and also the required legwork and planning you need to do in order to properly stabilize the Mojave for a good ending.

The Follower slides feels more like another "We couldn't finish the rest of this" moment.

[Virgil]

Originally posted by Khloros:

Personally the 2 best endings to the game are either house, or NCR.

House because the man clearly knows what he is doing, and has got his crap together, sure its tyranny, but its the waste land baby, things suck as they are.

NCR, because while they are bloated with stupid policies and bureaucracy, they are none the less a slowly moving machine.

Truth be told the independent option is a pretty crappy one, for one very simple reason. You dont know how to run a casino or a city, sure the yes man can help you, but whe nyou are dead, not very hard to have one of those crappy families take over.

I think the Mojave dosent need NCR protection there's barely any risks aside from small raider groups.
Also people have to pay lots of taxes for the NCR pathetic "protection"

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by Virgil:

Originally posted by Khloros:

Personally the 2 best endings to the game are either house, or NCR.

House because the man clearly knows what he is doing, and has got his crap together, sure its tyranny, but its the waste land baby, things suck as they are.

NCR, because while they are bloated with stupid policies and bureaucracy, they are none the less a slowly moving machine.

Truth be told the independent option is a pretty crappy one, for one very simple reason. You dont know how to run a casino or a city, sure the yes man can help you, but whe nyou are dead, not very hard to have one of those crappy families take over.

I think the Mojave dosent need NCR protection there's barely any risks aside from small raider groups.
Also people have to pay lots of taxes for the NCR pathetic "protection"

Yes, because all the raiders, criminals, crime families, outcasts, escaped prisoners, mercenaries, and other scum are totally gonna behave on their own.