Fallout 4 New Vegas - Any expectations?

[Mišmil]

Hello everyone! Are there any news on Fallout 4 New Vegas remake? Nothing new has been posted for the last two years, any expectations when we will see something new?

For those of you that don't know, F4NV is a fan remake of Fallout New Vegas in Fallout 4's engine.

Are you hopeful, optimistic, stopped following the project? Another fan project, Skyblivion, remake of Oblivion in Skyrim's engine is now set to release in 2025, do you think we will get to see New Vegas remade soon, or do you prefer the classic version with mods?

[Salamand3r-]

The project is never going to be finished. There is still some small work being done, to my knowledge, but it's not at a pace that will ever allow completion.

[Mišmil]

I see you're quite the pessimist... perhaps there is hope? Don't forget Skyblivion took around 12 years to get where it is now and they now have a release date around 2025.
Personally, what i saw from F4NV was incredible, but they really haven't uploaded for such a long time.

Have you heard anything new recently? The Capital Wasteland project (F3 remake) got shutdown by Zenimax and Bethesda, while Skyblivion and Skywind seem to be going strong...

Maybe we will see it around 2026?

[Dallas S]

No desire to play it even if it did somehow get finished (it won't).

You'll get to play new Vegas with cut out skills and watered down attributes, no dlc and no mods. No thanks.

[Vex Hilarius]

I have no need to play that mod. Everything I want is already in NV and anything I had a problem with I modded. All the mod will bring me, if it ever gets released, is vanilla NV with 4's less clunky combat and worse artstyle.

[Mišmil]

Surprised there isn't more excitement around the idea of rebuilding the game. While it is still great, i do think new fans could be drawn to the game and keep it alive as we will have quite a long wait until Fallout 5.

For now the next game is Starfield, after that Elder Scrolls 6, and then will we get Fallout 5, and by that time we will all become like Skyrim's greybeards...
There was also some discussion apparently about New Vegas 2, Obsidian showed some interest but nothing is known for now.

Has New Vegas started to show its age for you?
I would personally love to see it, just to draw new audience and push Bethesda more to focus on the Fallout franchise.

Surprised to see so many people not having any expectations whatsoever.

Dallas, apparently they planned to recreate the base game plus DLC, and all the old systems like Factions, Ammo type, Weapon and Armor Condition, etc. The leveling system would be the same as well...

[Vex Hilarius]

There's nothing to expect. It's going to be NV in 4's engine. What is there to expect?

Don't get me wrong the mod makers are doing tremendous work for basically free. That alone is worth praising.

The simple fact however is that mods like these take forever and eventually cancel. It's not pessimism is realism. I wouldn't trust that 2025 release date for Skyblivion. Especially if they are saying "around" 2025.

And with Bethesda's current track record I have zero faith in ES6 or Fallout 5. Starfield gets a slight pass since it's a new IP so there's a chance but after Fallout 4 and 76 anyone expecting quality for Fallout 5 is going to be disappointed.

All games age in some way eventually, but I don't care. If I enjoy it I'll keep playing it. I don't need remasters or remakes and frankly I'm getting sick of them.

[Graceful Jabberwocky]

it's probably not going to be completed. but it's a good idea

[Mišmil]

I hear you Vex. however you are right these mods are simply not the same as a dedicated team of paid employees - the only success out there is Black Mesa, and that is a far "simpler" game all things considered and it still took years to make.

I hope you are wrong about Skyblivion as it is my favorite but there is a chance you could be right.
I am certain they will not mess up ES6 too much but the whole trend towards simplification will probably continue? I just hope they don't put the settlement system in freaking ES6...

So you too were disappointed by Fallout 4? It was a good game, but... it just wasn't a "complete" RPG, it was like they were embarassed over it being an role-playing game, plus the whole voiced protagonist. But the gunplay was great, and the basic loop was fun.

I am certain however they removed a bunch of NPC towns and quests to make room for settlements so people can build sheds.

[Mišmil]

Graceful, they usually have an October showcase so we will see this year. Many of these kinds of projects eventually collapse or people drift away as Vex pointed out. There is another one called Fallout London that is supposed to come out this year that shows some promise.

Still disappointing we will have to wait at least five plus years for a new Fallout entry.

[Sophisticated Gumi-chan]

I actually worked on the project in the very early days. I did some of the coding for the ammo swapping system and shell ejection calculations. It's come a long way, but one of the big fears we had and I'm sure they still have is Bethesda can shut them down at any time.

[Mišmil]

Hello Gumi~! How was it working on the project? Are you still in touch with the people that keep working, have most of them moved on or is there still someone keeping the thing going?

Bethesda did shut down the Capital Wasteland project because they insisted on keeping the original audio which became an copyright issue, so F4NV is now recording all new voice lines from what i've heard...

What are your opinions on the project?

[Sophisticated Gumi-chan]

The project was a cluster ♥♥♥♥ from the start. I was only there from 2017 until 2019. It went through 3 major managerial changes and lots of people came and went from the project. Most of the people running the project were inexperienced and very juvenile. By the time I left, I was only really talking to one person, the lead of the mod. I forgot his name, but he used to work for the company who made The Forest as a QA tester. He was quite checked out with that job by the time he started leading the F4NV project, which he was kind of forced into. I lost contact with him sometime around the Corona virus pandemic.

I remember the team had begun looking for voice actors for the project. Many of them were very awful, as you'd imagine. Some were even YouTubers, and with Hunt down the Freeman a roaring success, when someone you've seen all the time on YouTube starts talking in a game, you don't see them as Easy Pete, you see them as Easy Pete with the voice of the YouTuber you've always known. That's why people like Nolan North, John Patrick Lowre and John St. John are amazing voice actors, because most if not all the voices they do for each character is wildly different, but they spent decades honing that ability. I expect the voice acting output for the project to be on the same level of HDTF.

Currently, I see a lot of good things coming out from their Facebook page they post the before and after pictures of environments. At face value the project looks very promising, but it has a lot to live up to, and simply just getting the assets into the FO4 engine won't be enough. They have to recreate the game with the spirit that it was intended.

[Mišmil]

Too bad you had a bad experience, these types of projects probably draw in a lot of unnecessary drama and ego in the mix. The only way i could see it working is if there is a lot of oversight, and a long-term blueprint: now we do this, now we focus on that, avoid conflict over x,y,z...

I kind of expected it to be bad, but i didn't know it was that terrible of an experience... And honestly, when you see a few screenshots here and there, on Facebook or Twitter, it does look fantastic but... No wonder Bethesda doesn't want anything to do with the project for now.

Do you think the issue was a general lack of oversight or organisation? Could things have gone differently if there was a group that had a blueprint of sorts of what needs to be achieved first, all the way to a semi-functioning beta, or was the project doomed to fail?

Don't sell yourself short, you worked on this project for two years for free, that is more ambition than most people have for essentially a free project.

[mikaeliby]

If it´s not the full entire game in all aspects, it isn´t interesting at all. I mean, the trailers look good, but good vs great graphics is just such a miniscule part of a game anyway.

[Salamand3r-]

Originally posted by Dallas S:

No desire to play it even if it did somehow get finished (it won't).

You'll get to play new Vegas with cut out skills and watered down attributes, no dlc and no mods. No thanks.

They recreated the classic stats and skills systems. You can even use that same framework in FO4 itself. That, at least, is a solved problem.

Originally posted by Vex Hilarius:

There's nothing to expect. It's going to be NV in 4's engine. What is there to expect?

This.

The thing is, it isn't even needed. A handful of mods will get NV up to the same "standards" as FO4NV. Gunplay and graphics are really all that FO4's engine adds. We have hundreds of mods to customize NV gunplay to anything you want, and with mods like NVR we are getting graphical features nearly on-par with FO4, from godrays to shadows.