Ironically, this is the worst game in the franchise.

[bug]

This, unlike many Obsidian fanboys might lead you on to-- is a genuine argument for why this is the worst entry on it's own. We are not accounting for mods, only for the base first release or DLC. I'm going to open this very strongly, and I'm going to use a lot of examples from Fallout 3 to prove my point. Also, it'll make the fanboys angry and that pleases my inner core.

Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel had a more solid release than this game-- Brotherhood of Steel. It only took numerous patches and two years for the game to finally get "noticed" as a competent videogame when Fallout 3 was at least playable. This isn't entirely Obsidian's fault, I understand-- but it was disasterous. Everyone seems to forget how awful this game was when it first was on sale, almost literally unplayable due to it's constant crashes, game breaking bugs which even to this day still require people to mod the game in order for it to work functionally.

It's one huge joint-operation of just a bandwagon of unnessecary bashing, not to mention how people were busy gargling the toes of Obsidian's directors. Just in general, spouting "hurr durr fallout 3 is bad" even though they probably didn't even make another playthrough of the game, despite the fact that New Vegas' has a clear amount of open flaws in it.

1. The map is never courageous enough to let you find areas on your own, and just about every area in the game that isn't just a shack with a box inside of it you can get the location for by a quest and not your own valor.
   
2. There's not enough actual content in the space of the map to occupy enough interesting posts, despite having even more locations than Fallout 3-- there are 11+ locations on the map that are entirely useless or irrelevant with the smallest handfuls of loot.
   
3. There's no incentive for actual difficulty, the game boils down to you playing on Very Hard where enemies become the Juggernaut or any difficulty lower and you could breathe in the general direction of somebody and they drop dead.
   
4. New Vegas is not very subtle on where it wants you to go, and the "linear" argument falls flat on it's face. The Sloan Deathclaws and the Cazadors after heading past Goodsprings' Northern Roads clearly indeciates that it wants the player to go where the game wants.
   
5. Fallout 3 is chastised for not having morally ambigious options, where New Vegas has few and far between. Rarely is there a choice where you can have a moral compass involved without some outside factor.
   
6. Additionally, to follow up on the last point-- the Reputation system is it's own greatest weakness, meaning that you will always do something to appeal your faction in choices-- but not for yourself.
   
7. Fallout 3 is chastised for having the Brotherhood of Steel be "too open to newcomers", despite the fact that their resolution to continue as a faction is to expand or die out. In Fallout 1's canonical ending, the Brotherhood chapter opens up to help the wasteland and settle as an R&D settlement. While in New Vegas, they don't open up at all, in fact-- they remain completely flat about their choice to stay isolated the entire game.
   
8. Fallout 3 has many elaborate mazes and worldbuilding elements that make it's interiors unique for each one, New Vegas fails to compare by having all of their interiors blend together into "go upstairs, shoot bad guys, etc". Nothing is particularly interesting or notable outside of The Strip itself. The Bomb in Megaton, the scale of Tenpenny Towers-- the broken streets of the DC city. Everything is very drab and lifeless in Fallout 3, but it added something to it's horror factor. The feeling of being hopeless or that everything is gone.
   
9. New Vegas sets itself up in a "post-post apocolypse" scenario, meaning that civilization is rebuilding itself, but you do not see the same atmosphere of "the world putting itself back together after destruction"-- all of the major portions seem static and flat. The atmosphere is a discourse from the fact that it's a wasteland and not a glorified desert.
   
10. Continuing the point on morals, in the standoff between the Kahn's and the NCR, there are several ways to resolve it-- but there is one solution that the game gives you fame towards both factions and nobody dies, the perfect resolution. Why would you not pick that? That isn't the "moral choices" other Fallout titles get yelled at for.
    
11. The game suffers from it's lack of proper progression, rarely do rewards grant you more than just a few extra caps, a gun and XP, that's a given, but I felt as there was no real reason to do side missions you can just run to New Vegas and finish the game just as you leave the gate. Again, proceeding itself to the lack of exploration.

I'll give more criticism if needed, but as for now I believe these are valid reasons, of course if you'd like to argue back-- I'm open for the debate.

[Buttchug]

Fallout 4 is the worst in the Bethesda lined Fallout franchise. Just for the fact of how streamlined and casual it is, is unreal. Even still Fallout 76 is coming out and looks to dethrone the worst Fallout game. “You know what everyone wants in a Fallout game? (A head at Bethesda game studios making Fallout 4) a multiplayer base building survival game!” **Everyone in the room proceeds to seal clap** “But we cant make it with fallout 4 so we will just make it a seperate Fallout game”

The irony of #saveplayerone is friggen hilarious.


Oh and no everyone I don’t play fallout on PC I’m a console guy through and through. I tried playing New Vegas on PC but was like nah lmfao. I play only Age of empires and Battlefront 2 because they are classics lol.

[Amanandhisdog]

fallout NV IS the weakest game of the franchise. when it released it WAS a mess. its saving glory is the writing and the dlcs. the way the dlcs intertwine with the main player storyline was excellent and matched only by the size and scope of fallout 4s dlcs. but fallout nv is still a great experience and even with its flaws and handholding and the silly dam battle... kind of a real let down after hours of lead up... but the biggest reason fallout nv is the weakest in the series is the way it ends... or rather the fact it ends. Thats the one thing that holds it back imho. even bethesda learned we wanted to continue to roam and explore the whole world they created after the ending of fallout3. the ending of the fallout 3 main quest line is also the reason i place that title as second to fallout 4. mostly because of the fact that damn super mutant who obviously wanted to run around in as many rads as he could just a couple of days before... refuses to walk into that room and pull that lever. as for fallout 4 im still leveling and still building after 800 plus hours.

[Funny guy]

you have a good point but mods in this game make this game more fun for examble i just play story mods because those are more fun than the core game.

[Vex Hilarius]

Originally posted by Wysper:

And here's the link to the video you took all your arguments from and didn't even mention, you're welcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE

Everyone is using this video as their defense that F3>NV, not knowing the guy who made it prefers NV over 3.

[jas]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

you have a good point but mods in this game make this game more fun for examble i just play story mods because those are more fun than the core game.

no

[MaximumEffort]

Originally posted by Choa:

worst bait ever ffs

Says the 150th post

[fоreskin feta]

what’s the irony

[Zorelnam]

Literally every single fallout game ever made will live under the shadow of New Vegas.
Meditate on that ♥♥♥♥.
Also have this sweet track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD6PreqIz6o

[VadamFlier]

Doesn't matter if it is.. Becase for a lot of people, it's the one they get the most fun and enjoyment out of.

[H1tSc4n]

Well, i enjoy the game and think it's a huge improvement over FO3. Also it's a lot more lore-friendly. We shouldn't criticize NV, why don't you go criticize FO4 instead?

[jas]

Originally posted by H1tSc4n, the Mechwarrior:

Well, i enjoy the game and think it's a huge improvement over FO3. Also it's a lot more lore-friendly. We shouldn't criticize NV, why don't you go criticize FO4 instead?

True! :D

[killthemagefirst]

I cannot agree, if anything, Fallout 3 was a mess, FNV offers a more refined product.

[MaximumEffort]

Originally posted by rnd:

I cannot agree, if anything, Fallout 3 was a mess, FNV offers a more refined product.

mwuahahaha!
Da ♥♥♥???

Polished? Where?

[nathanbonbrake]

I mean you're not wrong, still though I personally had the most fun with new vegas

[jas]

Originally posted by nathanbonbrake:

I mean you're not wrong, still though I personally had the most fun with new vegas

Yea its my fav fallout