Arcade Gannon says happy pride month

[ShockedHearts]

that is all.

EDIT: some peoples children be down below causing a ruckas XD

[NtS]

Originally posted by JamestheFreak:

Both NCR and Legion are anti-gay, Major Knight keeps his sexuality a secret for a reason unless you're a guy with the confirmed bachelor perk. The Legion being butt buddies is also NCR propaganda, there's a slave named Jimmy that tells you they don't like homosexuality but a lot of quest modders like Someguy seem to ignore this.

I wouldn't be so quick to lump the NCR together with the Legion on this. If you talk to Major Knight with the confirmed bachelor perk, you get the following dialogue:

"Now wait a minute - Republic’s a sight better than… other alternatives. Women are serving here, after all. The rest… well, might take some time. / And they’re more accepting back West, like I said. In the meantime…"

It seems clear enough that Major Knight is referring specifically to the troopers/rangers stationed at the outpost and throughout the Mojave as homophobic, and not the NCR as a whole, which makes sense. Socially progressive views tend to be more pervasive in a country's civilian population than they are among its own armed forces.

[Quetzal]

This raises the question as to the former Enclave's views (and, by extension, laws) on same-sex marriage. On one hand, an organization focused on being "pure" would certainly demand heterosexual couples, since wiping the population would require quickly rebuilding it. On the other hand, the United States government (which the Enclave is a resurrection of) would likely be 100% pro-gay marriage long before the nukes dropped, meaning that a dramatic shift in values such as banning homosexual couples would be pretty hard to accept.

On another note, this mention of the Enclave brings up another question, which is how long Arcade lived in Navarro. We know that he speaks fluent Latin, something that he likely picked up from his time at Navarro due to Latin being a lingual tradition in the United States government. This means that he must have lived there there until he was at least 7 or 8, as language learning skills peak at 6 or 7 years of age and it would definitely take a year or more to become fluent.

Speaking of Latin, do the member's of Caesar's Legion actually speak Latin fluently? If so, how many, and how fluent are they? Could Caesar have taught Latin to the first members of the Legion so they could teach it to the recruits? Do officers in the Legion have Latin dictionaries lying around, so they can hone their skills? If nobody in the Legion actually speaks Latin then certainly all the phrases and buzzwords would start to feel pointless. I mean, would the words eventually lose their meaning or even gain a new meaning entirely?

Speaking of words gaining new meaning, I want to talk about the intro song to The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, as sung by Will Smith. The song starts with Smith saying "In West Philadaelphia, born and raised, on the playground was where I spent most of my days." We know that by this he means that this story (his story) starts in West Philadaelphia, where Will had been both born and raised. (continued on page 2)

[Quetzal]

Originally posted by Quetzal:

This raises the question as to the former Enclave's views (and, by extension, laws) on same-sex marriage. On one hand, an organization focused on being "pure" would certainly demand heterosexual couples, since wiping the population would require quickly rebuilding it. On the other hand, the United States government (which the Enclave is a resurrection of) would likely be 100% pro-gay marriage long before the nukes dropped, meaning that a dramatic shift in values such as banning homosexual couples would be pretty hard to accept.

On another note, this mention of the Enclave brings up another question, which is how long Arcade lived in Navarro. We know that he speaks fluent Latin, something that he likely picked up from his time at Navarro due to Latin being a lingual tradition in the United States government. This means that he must have lived at least there until he was at least 7 or 8, as language learning skills peak at 6 or 7 years of age and it would definitely take a year or more to become fluent.

Speaking of Latin, do the member's of Caesar's Legion actually speak Latin fluently? If so, how many, and how fluent are they? Could Caesar have taught Latin to the first members of the Legion so they could teach it to the recruits? Do officers in the Legion have Latin dictionaries lying around, so they can hone their skills? If nobody in the Legion actually speaks Latin then certainly all the phrases and buzzwords would start to feel pointless. I mean, would the words eventually lose their meaning or even gain a new meaning entirely?

Speaking of words gaining new meaning, I want to talk about the intro song to The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, as sung by Will Smith. The song starts with Smith saying "In West Philadaelphia, born and raised, on the playground was where I spent most of my days." We know that by this he means that this story (his story) starts in West Philadaelphia, where Will had been both born and raised. (continued on page 2)

Will also informs us of the location where his story's inciting incident takes place, that of the playground (where he claims to have chilled out, maxed and even relaxed all cool). The way that he can compress so many elements into so few words alludes to nothing short of a linguistic masterpiece, which the rest of the song proves to be.

Anyway, I digress. Will continues this story by telling us the inciting incident itself, that of the couple of guys up to "no good." These men begin to cause troubles in Smith's "neighbourhood," telling us that the issues caused by these men went far beyond any small altercation at the basketball courts.

After getting into a fight (which Will likely underestimates the severity of), his mother chooses to send her son to his Auntie and Uncle in Bel-Air, likely out of fear for his safety or academic future. There's more to the song but I'm seriously not going to spend any more time here than I already have. I'm certain you can piece this together yourself.

[Facetable]

Originally posted by Shiroi Ren:

I wonder why the Legion is so against it in the game. As far as I remember it was common in the Roman army...

I'm not an expert on the subject or whatever, but from what I remember, the Romans were cool with it... somewhat - it was all about whether a person was dominant/submissive as it would increase or decrease a person's social standing depending on which.

As for why The Legion is so against it, I think it has to do with Caesar's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up plan: He wants to erase all other cultures and identities other than The Legion's in order to leave a single highly nationalistic group. Anyone who is not homogenized, disrupts his plan because it breaks away from the complete homogeneity he wants.

Its also important to note that he's only using the mythologized version of a society(Rome) as a fascist does - He may use the some of the same aesthetic, language/phrases, and symbols, but he doesn't want to recreate Rome, he is only using its image to achieve his own ends. For example, he modified the Roman religion into his state religion (Cult of Mars) to make it say that he is the son of Mars (Roman god of war) which gives him divine status. So similarly even though Ancient Rome was more cool with homosexuality, Edward Sallow will disregard it if it doesn't work the way he wants.

Short version:
Historically, Rome was more accepting (more focused on dominance/submission which is still problematic, but still more nonetheless) but Caesar doesn't care and kills people for it anyways because it breaks away from his ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up vision of a completely homogenized society.

[Shadowdweller]

Originally posted by Zes:

hello there.

I respect your degree but have you read the interview that i posted, done by mit and harward sciencetists?

they solidly say it is %75 about environmental and cultural factors.

they probably have degrees too ;) maybe you should read what they say about this.

For the record- you linked to a magazine article DESCRIBING a number of different studies performed by someone working with MIT / Harvard; and a couple answers that might not even have been directly given to the reporter from said magazine. Nature is a fairly respected periodical though.

Yes, I looked at said article. It does not contradict anything I said. (Nor vise versa).

I think maybe there is some confusion regarding the difference between what constitutes "genetic" and non-genetic differences. Virtually every cell in your body has the same genetic code (with a very few exceptions). The difference between a functional neuron (a brain cell) and an adipocyte (a fat storage cell) is that during embryological development a few proteins attach to different genes in these cells and either stay or bind a few extra atoms (e.g a methyl group) that either stops or increases the rate at which that gene is expressed. (And these changes are frequently irreversible by normal processes). Since these changes don't actually rearrange the base genetic sequence, we don't call them genetic differences. They are epigenetic.

So when the researcher in the article says something like "only 25% of sexual behavior can be explained by genetics", it doesn't necessarily mean what you think it means. Hormone level fluctuations during gestation would be an "environmental" factor.

We've known for a long time that sexual preference - heterosexuality vs homosexuality - is genetically linked; but not purely genetic. In cases of identical twins, people who share the same genetic code, there is something like a 60% chance that both twins will be homosexual if one of them is; and this occurs regardless of whether the twins were raised together. If there were a particular gene or set of genes that were purely responsible for homosexuality, the chance would be closer to 100%. Similarly, if it was purely a matter of "nurture" or upbringing then twins that were separated at birth (e.g set for adoption) would not show the same linkage. Fraternal (non-identical) twins are also linked, but at a much lower rate; something like 20-30% that both are homosexual if one is.

(Incidentally there IS actually a single gay gene in some animals. Or at least a Bi- gene. An allele - a variant of a particular gene - in rats makes them respond sexually to other rats of both genders)

[Shadowdweller]

Originally posted by W+M1 Pyro:

tbh to me this whole thing has always sounded like hard coping. like, why discern my whole existence under a critial perspective if i can just hide behind genetic determinism and ggwp

>also implying homosexuality is an actual state of being and not a construct

You could alternately look into the science instead of making bigoted and brazenly ignorant statements. But clearly that's not your thing.

[Mothman]

thanks, arcade

[Zes]

No need to go for paragraphs which actually tell nothing clearly.

article is clear and simple. 'this is a solid study and there is no gay gene'. said by known, respectable scientists.

case is closed for me.

[ShockedHearts]

I go to sleep, and wake up and boom 45 new comments.

[W+M1 Pyro]

Originally posted by Shadowdweller:

Originally posted by W+M1 Pyro:

tbh to me this whole thing has always sounded like hard coping. like, why discern my whole existence under a critial perspective if i can just hide behind genetic determinism and ggwp

>also implying homosexuality is an actual state of being and not a construct

You could alternately look into the science instead of making bigoted and brazenly ignorant statements. But clearly that's not your thing.

then hand me this "science" of yours bcs all i have is a lady gaga song tbh. actually it would be easier if it were pre-determined. think, perhaps one day we will know in advance if someone has the gay before even being born, and abortion is legal.

[Danny]

Originally posted by Cardan:

mmm this thread is getting nice and cancerous I love it

Edward does have a brain tumor.
Poor guy :(

[ShockedHearts]

Originally posted by Zes:

No need to go for paragraphs which actually tell nothing clearly.

article is clear and simple. 'this is a solid study and there is no gay gene'. said by known, respectable scientists.

case is closed for me.

All I have to say is I like peanut butter, some people do not like peanut butter. simple and clean. some people like the same gender. others not so much. same thing. easy lol

[ShockedHearts]

Originally posted by Danny:

Originally posted by Cardan:

mmm this thread is getting nice and cancerous I love it

Edward does have a brain tumor.
Poor guy :(

right??

[Cardan]

Originally posted by Danny:

Originally posted by Cardan:

mmm this thread is getting nice and cancerous I love it

Edward does have a brain tumor.
Poor guy :(

I think I may be getting one after reading some of this

[Local Queer Goblin]

oh man. peeps are mad xD

Happy pride month btw and trans rights