Fallout: New Vegas

Fallout: New Vegas

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The computer cheats at Blackjack
So many times when I hit a 20 the computer draws with a 20 or defeats with a 21. and the worst of it the computer will draw 5-8 cards to meet 20 or 21. Impossible odds to occur more than once in a blue moon.

I've won more times doubling down to the total of a 12 or 14, once I doubled to a total of 9 standing at 9. :D WTF?! The 3 & the 4 were showing, not the two, so it could be assumed to be a royalty a 10 or an ace. But it's not like the computer couldn't know what the player has :D

It's almost as if they programmed the game to be silly and troll the player :D It happens too often.
Ultima modifica da Doctor Go-Go; 21 set 2020, ore 12:00
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The moral of this subject or scenario is when you go to Vegas to play games that are designed to have the odds stacked way against you in a city created and run by thugs ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=t9suLb-FGtw&feature=emb_logo

There's a reason why they call it "Sin City" Not just because of the prostitution, also the rackets and ties to organized crime.
the computer uses your luck stat to see if you can win or lose for blackjack.

do you consider this cheating? I think Mitten squad did a video, 'is it possible to clean out the casinos with a luck of 1' or something.

luck of very high, no problem luck of very low, not working.
Messaggio originale di Doctor Go-Go:
The moral of this subject or scenario is when you go to Vegas to play games that are designed to have the odds stacked way against you in a city created and run by thugs ...


Unless the house is full on cheating Black Jack is as much a mathematical game of probability, so much so that casinos actually have to ban people from keeping track more than you can quickly do in your head. Let alone the added skill of knowing how to bet against the dealer as well as betting on your own success.
Messaggio originale di Anvos:
Messaggio originale di Doctor Go-Go:
The moral of this subject or scenario is when you go to Vegas to play games that are designed to have the odds stacked way against you in a city created and run by thugs ...


Unless the house is full on cheating Black Jack is as much a mathematical game of probability, so much so that casinos actually have to ban people from keeping track more than you can quickly do in your head. Let alone the added skill of knowing how to bet against the dealer as well as betting on your own success.


But when you have several decks, and 16 tens in each deck and multiple decks are used which multiplies the odds of hitting a ten greatly.

One player versus the dealer is one thing, but a table with 3 - 5 against the dealer? WAY different.

The odds of hitting a number are much lower than hitting a royalty which is an instant 10 That's the idea, the player will likely bust if they take a hit, but very likely lose if they have less than 18 BUT if they have a 14-16 they COULD win, but the odds are low that someone doesn't have 17-20. SO THAT'S the gamble. Hold there or risk high odds of busting.

There is no strategy to winning, it's just luck.

The people they ban could likely be cooperating with a dealer and the TWO are cheating. So one thing they would do is make that player change tables to remove them from that dealer.

It boils down to odds, odds highlight the cheaters.

It's pure luck, how many times could someone be lucky? And they are hoping you double down, because while you can will twice as much you can lose twice as much easily since you ONLY get one card. it's VERY tempting to double down when hitting a 9-11 on the first draw. AND they are HOPING you double down.
Adding more decks doesn't change the percentage of cards in each deck that are of any suite or number it just decreases the probability shift each time a card is drawn. That Black Jack is something that the odds can be increased in your favor to a noticeable extent is exactly why casinos make card counting sound like cheating and ban it.

This is also why casinos like slot machines since the patterns can but easily in the thousands , meaning each pull doesn't give you enough relevant data to meaningfully affect probability.
Ultima modifica da Anvos; 24 set 2020, ore 23:29
Messaggio originale di Anvos:
Adding more decks doesn't change the percentage of cards in each deck that are of any suite or number it just decreases the probability shift each time a card is drawn. That Black Jack is something that the odds can be increased in your favor to a noticeable extent is exactly why casinos make card counting sound like cheating and ban it.

This is also why casinos like slot machines since the patterns can but easily in the thousands , meaning each pull doesn't give you enough relevant data to meaningfully affect probability.

Yeah, but say if you have 120 tens rather than 40 and 4 hands are being dealt the odds of hitting a 10 become much higher. Same percentage of cards but no way to predict which card you will get and more means more chances of hitting a 10., because they are mixed, not in order.

Also if you use more decks for more players and shuffle to reset everytime half of the cards are dealt what are they counting?

For example, if they had 312 cards per batch and if they were to rotate and reset the batch every 156 cards dealt what exactly are they keep track of?
You still missed the point. The exact ratio of cards in a deck doesn't change no matter what number of decks you use. What changes is that removing any single card no longer changes the shift in the ratio of cards left anywhere near as much, meaning the probability you can gleam from a low number of cards dealt is less impactful.
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You still missed the point. The exact ratio of cards in a deck doesn't change no matter what number of decks you use. What changes is that removing any single card no longer changes the shift in the ratio of cards left anywhere near as much, meaning the probability you can gleam from a low number of cards dealt is less impactful.

You miss the point, you have no idea what's going to be drawn because you then have 512 chances of anything, meaning the odds of hitting 10 are greatly increased especially with more players. lets say you had 1024 cards and they were to rotate or reshuffle the deck every 5 hands dealt around the table.

How would counting cards matter? There is no way of isolating what has been drawn already and which hasn't. You have TOO MANY cards left over. It would be a complete absolute waste of time, which is why they do it that way? Do you these people run casinos and they never noticed nor thought of all of this? They are NOT novices, they are professionals.

That's the point of having multiple decks. Ratio of cards means nothing, because it's RANDOM.
No your just refusing to believe in math and statistics and going wow what a big number, there is no way that can be understood in any terms other than the largest amount of a number is 10.

Its honestly not that hard to get why the concept of card counting perplexes you when you don't want to go beyond the most simple observations, and some of which aren't even accurate as I've tried to explain.

Adding additional decks is functionally no different than stating 2/10 instead of 1/5. Thus you reach what I've been trying to explain to you that adding additional decks does. When you take 1 number away from a group of 5 the shift in the chances of getting the number you want on the next draw is greater than removing 1 number from a pool of 10 and trying to get one of 2 numbers. Both start at 20% chances but the larger pool only shifts to a 22% chance instead of a 25% chance after one draw.
Ultima modifica da Anvos; 25 set 2020, ore 12:59
Messaggio originale di Anvos:
No your just refusing to believe in math and statistics and going wow what a big number, there is no way that can be understood in any terms other than the largest amount of a number is 10.

Its honestly not that hard to get why the concept of card counting perplexes you when you don't want to go beyond the most simple observations, and some of which aren't even accurate as I've tried to explain.

Adding additional decks is functionally no different than stating 2/10 instead of 1/5. Thus you reach what I've been trying to explain to you that adding additional decks does. When you take 1 number away from a group of 5 the shift in the chances of getting the number you want on the next draw is greater than removing 1 number from a pool of 10 and trying to get one of 2 numbers. Both start at 20% chances but the larger pool only shifts to a 22% chance instead of a 25% chance after one draw.

Nope, math has nothing to do with it. It's odds, math is a different science than odds. Math is precise, odds are random. You don't know what each or those cards will be. There is no way you can predict it.

you don't understand math nor odds. Odds are the more players you have the more likely several tens will be drawn because so many cards are being drawn.

Your logic is flawed because of CHANCE you don't understand chance. 25% is low which means the odds are stacked against you. It;s a 25% chance, not a guarantee. and odds BOTH increase AND decrease with more cards and players.

That's how scams work friend. Exploiting stupidity and arrogance. You just don't understand 1 by one is being drawn completely random and out of order. 1 by one. more cards of variable and the more cards being drawn changes that. It's that simple.

You might understand simple math but you don't understand odds and random versus guaranteed.


That you don't understand odds/chance are a principle derived from math and statistics pretty much shows the futility of continuing this and how fundamentally flawed your understanding of them are.

Whether an odd/chance is good or bad has no bearing on its value.

The order being random is further a given so bringing that up is pointless, since else there would be no chance and a strict orderly procession where each result is completely predictable.

When you aren't even understanding the basic principles going into a complex proof of how the odds shift for any given card vs a basic example I was giving is a waste of time.

That a group of MIT and Harvard students were able to make a reliable profit over years of using Card Counting is further a real life example that discredits your assumption that things are too unpredictable to gain an edge in Black Jack.

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That Black Jack is a lot more predictable than things such as slots or roulette is further how you can tell the Luck stat is blatantly modifying your chances magically at gambling in NV even without the messages that drive it home.
Real-world: you can win at blackjack by counting if the casino uses the same deck across multiple hands.

If a lot of low cards come out, the deck is now ten heavy, with a high enough proportion of tens the odds switch in favour of the player. Keeping count is not that difficult, the tricky bit is finding a way of betting as much as you can when the odds favour and as little as possible when the odds are against you without drawing attention to yourself.

The casinos don't mind as knowing the game can be beaten attracts lots of losers while they can usually spot and ban people who know what they are doing. Not shuffling every hand allows more hands to be played and more money for the casino, even if it occasionally enables some people to play a winning game.

FNV: The house always has odds over the player as I assume they start a new deck every hand at blackjack. So five = normal luck should have you loosing at the real world house edge for the game assuming you play perfectly. My experience is that seven luck is enough to overcome the house edge at blackjack if you play well enough. Not sure about six, maybe.
Ultima modifica da ayrtep; 28 set 2020, ore 20:15
That's IF, but it's random. It's random 312 times in a row, odds ONLY count against each draw. ONLY. It's too random. The odds are so low.

That's why you use six decks and shuffle them every 10 hands. All of the cards would never be used before rotating. It would be a complete and absolute guess. Counting and deducting to guess the odds of the draw on 52 isn't the same as 312 because you'll be rotating by the time 60-75% of the cards are used. You then don't have 16 chances of hitting a 10, you then have 96 out of 250 that are completely random because it's one by one.

You are drawing one card at a time, the odds of more 10's being in a row than less is higher because you have 312 cards.

Why is that so difficult to understand?
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