I Don't Like This Game

[wptny]

can someone explain to me why this game is hyped up so much? I see so many people blindly worship NV and hate Fallout 4. while the storyline definitely had issues it at least it had emotion and character. New Vegas is chasing a guy that shot you and the whole time you deal with crappy combat and healing mechanics? the game feels straight up cheap, boring, and empty. I don't see how Fallout 4 was anything other than a step up. i'm not trying to piss people off, just asking what makes people like it so much.

[RevolverBigBosselote]

引用自 pooblesss：

can someone explain to me why this game is hyped up so much? I see so many people blindly worship NV and hate Fallout 4. while the storyline definitely had issues it at least it had emotion and character. New Vegas is chasing a guy that shot you and the whole time you deal with crappy combat and healing mechanics? the game feels straight up cheap, boring, and empty. I don't see how Fallout 4 was anything other than a step up. i'm not trying to♥♥♥♥♥♥people off, just asking what makes people like it so much.

Eh, its mostly about tastes, i think NV is a great game, but I prefer Fallout 4 because that game focused on gunplay and making it fun to shoot things, but this game is mostly about immsersing yourself in the world and doing whatever the hell you want

[Goosey]

Im just not a fan of the world design in new vegas, everything else is pretty good. Fallout 3's world was just better for me.

4 has the better gameplay, but has crap world design, and crap rpg elements.

Those are my opinions anyway.

1,2 and 3 i just like all round.

[Ahmad]

I love fallout 4, but I love new vegas too. Maybe you can find the answer by playing earlier fallout games like fallout 1 or 2. An avid fallout fans tend to love new vegas and hate fallout 4, but I enjoy all of them.

[Hidden]

引用自 Twinkletoes：

引用自 CeSium：

Well, not really. Devs usually make the game as it goes along in order, right? That means they usually have more experience with the game engine and how to make a game at the end of the game rather than at the beginning where they're mostly testing stuff out, or they're trying to slowly introduce concepts to the player rather than throw it all at them all at once. It definently feels like the Strip is the time the game devs decided the player has played enough and takes the training wheels off.

But thats refering to things like weapons, items and story, no?

If the gameplay itself is poorly implemented then might be hard for the above to compensate.

It does differ from person to person, some might be able to stomach bad gameplay if the story is real good. Others won't want to waste time with a good story if the game itself is uncomfortable to play.

Also, I don't think thats how games are developed. If they are then thats what I believe is called a "rushed game".

Dev's warm up at concept, where ideas are bounced around and art is made to get the feel for the world.

Certainly pacing is necessary to tell both the story and the game functions. But if the devs get better as the game is made would only make that "made by multiple developers" feel. Where the gameplay and pacing is inconsistent.

Dev's need to have an idea of what they are doing BEFORE they start doing, I may be wrong but it would be hard to believe it is otherwise.

I appreciate your common sense.

bless you tiny dancer.

[CeSium]

引用自 Twinkletoes：

But thats refering to things like weapons, items and story, no?

If the gameplay itself is poorly implemented then might be hard for the above to compensate.

It does differ from person to person, some might be able to stomach bad gameplay if the story is real good. Others won't want to waste time with a good story if the game itself is uncomfortable to play.

Also, I don't think thats how games are developed. If they are then thats what I believe is called a "rushed game".

Dev's warm up at concept, where ideas are bounced around and art is made to get the feel for the world.

Certainly pacing is necessary to tell both the story and the game functions. But if the devs get better as the game is made would only make that "made by multiple developers" feel. Where the gameplay and pacing is inconsistent.

Dev's need to have an idea of what they are doing BEFORE they start doing, I may be wrong but it would be hard to believe it is otherwise.

Well, yes, you are right, but I do remember most devs talked about it from this process. Doom (the 1993 one) actually started with the last level first, then developed the famous E1M1 after everyone learnt of all the tricks and quirks with their dev tools. Hence why the beginning levels of Doom look great but the last few aren’t as well detailed. I was simply saying some devs work this way; whether it makes a good game or not is up to you, but I do agree the first half of New Vegas can be... boring. It’s certainly better than the awful Fallout 3 vault intro that cripples the beginning start, New Vegas really doesn’t ramp up the quests until you reach the strip.

Also, Bethesda DID give Obsidian a measly year and a half to develop the game, so yes, it was rushed. If Bethesda gave Obsidian actual time, the game would be a lot more refined in most details, pacing included.

[CeSium]

引用自 Rogue Wolf：

I appreciate your common sense.

bless you tiny dancer.

If you wanted to say this, then you should’ve said it instead of “groaning” or whatever. Maybe you would have been met with a nicer response.

[Lapom]

引用自 Falkbeer：

引用自 Cowboy Curtis：

It has more to do but other then that 4 beats it everywhere else

i would argue that the only place 4 beats it is in the gun play

You forgot power armor and Jet.

[Bankai9212]

引用自 Ongoingwhy：

引用自 Falkbeer：

i would argue that the only place 4 beats it is in the gun play

You forgot power armor and Jet.

Jet functions differently, also pretty sure Turbo was used in NV for the slow motion on top of a perk.

[Lapom]

引用自 Bankai9212：

引用自 Ongoingwhy：

You forgot power armor and Jet.

Jet functions differently, also pretty sure Turbo was used in NV for the slow motion on top of a perk.

Materials for Turbo is annoying to find and Implant GRX has a cooldown. On the other hand, materials for Jet can be easily obtained in Fallout 4.

[Bankai9212]

引用自 Ongoingwhy：

引用自 Bankai9212：

Jet functions differently, also pretty sure Turbo was used in NV for the slow motion on top of a perk.

Materials for Turbo is annoying to find and Implant GRX has a cooldown. On the other hand, materials for Jet can be easily obtained in Fallout 4.

Doesn't change the fact it's in the game, jet is nothing like how it is from the other games.

[broartwar]

引用自 pooblesss：

引用自 broartwar：

The reason people like Fallout New Vegas because it was unique. A world that you couldn't completely see in just 1 playthrough. An openess in choice rather than just world. Fallout 4 took any role playing out of it the second they gave you a son to find. Could you play a bad guy? Sure but only the very dark "I have a son? who cares!". No grey characters, no flawed characters, eventually you would be invinsible. Fallout New Vegas portrays a wasteland, so often it feels empty. Fallout 4 has basically a full city still standing, looks more like modern day detroit than a post apocolyptic world.

I think the quickest way to describe it is as i've heard before "fallout NV is an RPG with first person elements, while fallout 4 is a First Person Shooter with RPG elements."

I kind of wish people fought over this less. People who prefer fast paced shooters will like fallout 4 while people who prefer RP will like new vegas. It's a pointless argument they are actually quite different games.

Also yes the graphics in 4 are way better... but thats 5 years later and another generation of consoles. I know this is PC gaming but generations of consoles is just easier to measure.

also new vegas followed Fallout 1 and 2 lore better than bethesda games have. So any old school people will like that.(I assume... those games are too slow for me)

I can understand that, but for me I'm not really into roleplaying or anything so I see why I don't take interest in that

Yeah not the game for you then. Nothing wrong with that. There are so few games like new Vegas which is why some people love it.

[The Great White Shart]

This is better than phub

[Glennard]

引用自 CeSium：

引用自 Twinkletoes：

But thats refering to things like weapons, items and story, no?

If the gameplay itself is poorly implemented then might be hard for the above to compensate.

It does differ from person to person, some might be able to stomach bad gameplay if the story is real good. Others won't want to waste time with a good story if the game itself is uncomfortable to play.

Also, I don't think thats how games are developed. If they are then thats what I believe is called a "rushed game".

Dev's warm up at concept, where ideas are bounced around and art is made to get the feel for the world.

Certainly pacing is necessary to tell both the story and the game functions. But if the devs get better as the game is made would only make that "made by multiple developers" feel. Where the gameplay and pacing is inconsistent.

Dev's need to have an idea of what they are doing BEFORE they start doing, I may be wrong but it would be hard to believe it is otherwise.

Well, yes, you are right, but I do remember most devs talked about it from this process. Doom (the 1993 one) actually started with the last level first, then developed the famous E1M1 after everyone learnt of all the tricks and quirks with their dev tools. Hence why the beginning levels of Doom look great but the last few aren’t as well detailed. I was simply saying some devs work this way; whether it makes a good game or not is up to you, but I do agree the first half of New Vegas can be... boring. It’s certainly better than the awful Fallout 3 vault intro that cripples the beginning start, New Vegas really doesn’t ramp up the quests until you reach the strip.

Also, Bethesda DID give Obsidian a measly year and a half to develop the game, so yes, it was rushed. If Bethesda gave Obsidian actual time, the game would be a lot more refined in most details, pacing included.

outer worlds, anyone?

[Von Shadowsong]

I enjoyed both games. Fallout 4 was my intro to the series, and I played the hell out of it... It's because I loved it so much that I went back and tried the earlier games as well.

I'll always have a soft spot for F4, though NV is my favourite Fallout game thus far. Each has different things that they did well- it doesn't have to be one or the other.

[Hidden]

All this talk made me hop on lasst night and make a stabby psycho chick named "lilith". She reaaaaaaaaally loves stabbing people 0.o

Am having a lot of fun, but am feeling a bit of the rails in the start again. I decided to help the powder gangers, but am immediately frustrated by how i cant just walk around as a demon and find a way to murder or evil everyone to progress through the game.

The way i have to take eddies crap( the powder gangers), like a lackey for instance. In fact being a peon is pretty much always an aspect of these games i hate. even in skyrim you have everyone bossing you around, treating you like crap and demanding you help them in order to get that sweet quest exp and deeper gameplay and you are the DRAGONBORN ffs.

I found unarmed to be just absolutely unviable to start with too which was disappointing. maybe with mods.

Overall still enjoying it more than my playthroughs of fallout 4 and will play more on this character later.

I literally havent even broken into nv mods yet.