NCR vs BOS

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I just realized that the only faction that has an option to keep the BOS alive is the NCR, despite the fact that they are the ones who have had the most, if not all of the conflict with BOS out of all 4 of the other factions.

[gruetoo]

you can also choose to leave them alone when siding with Yes Man. Its anticlimactic, but at least they're still around.

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Well, I guess I meant more like being allies.

[cindersoul45]

The downside of allying the NCR and BOS is that the NCR higher-ups aren't too happy with the arrangement, and you lose NCR reputation.

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You don't lose much though, it's not going to rip away that Idolized rep title or anything.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Tbh everyone wants them dead b/c they know that they're dangerous as seen in FO4 and even 3.

Mr. House and Legion hate both of them where Legion outright hates them both, Mr. House really only tolerates the NCR to get the cash from them but then at the end tosses them aside once they have no use to him. But yeah the BoS both sides want them dead.

saving the BoS is mostly good to have them on your side if you're more geared towards energy weapons. They have a ton of energy weapons and gear and leave you some "recycled" energy cells in a container.


If not side with the Van Graffs for plasma weapons and yeet them out of existance



if neither than you can yeet both of them out of existence.

[cindersoul45]

Originally posted by (TF2SP) Cake Clay Maker:

Tbh everyone wants them dead b/c they know that they're dangerous as seen in FO4 and even 3.

The East Coast Brotherhood has diverged very far from the West Coast Brotherhood. None of the factions in New Vegas base their views of the Mojave Chapter on anything going on at the East Coast.

The NCR wants to get rid of the Brotherhood because there is a lot of bad blood between them due to the NCR-BOS war. The Legion wants to get rid of them because they already just wipe out every incompatible faction they come across.

[R.O.T.O.R.]

the Brotherhood in the Mojave is a small Chapter, a big part of the plot with them is them adapting to their surroundings part of that is working with the NCR for a common goal and later building a good relationship as seen in the end title, further the NCR is built on compromise and they really can't say no to the Brotherhood's offer

This ending isn't possible with Mr House or the Legion as House is an autocrat and does not like them and the Legion has a habbit of enslaving everyone

[Vassago Rain]

It also highlights that NCR, despite all of its problems, have at least relearned politics properly. So if the conditions are right, sure, you can get the brotherhood back in the NCR fold for the time being. House and Caesar are convinced, rightfully so, that no deal can be made with the brotherhood, and it must be destroyed, or there will be complications along the way.

[Larus]

I think it's more the problem that the BOS couldn't tolerate the NCR than the other way around. The reason you're encouraged to deal with them is that the BOS just won't let people go around harvesting oldworld technology and rebuilding civilization.

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by Larus:

I think it's more the problem that the BOS couldn't tolerate the NCR than the other way around. The reason you're encouraged to deal with them is that the BOS just won't let people go around harvesting oldworld technology and rebuilding civilization.

The brotherhood are all deranged. Even the sane elder knows full well their dogma and 'beliefs' are irrelevant. Whether they 'tolerate' something or not doesn't matter. The moment they stick their head out of that bunker, they get swept away in a repeat of what happened last time.

[=CrimsoN=]

Okay. I'm just gonna say it. Am I the only one who hates the Brotherhood of Steel, no matter what Fallout game it i? Seriously. They are probably one of the most incompetent factions in the entirety of the wasteland, and that's sad for a group that lords itself over whoever they consider to be "technologically inferior". I found this list off NMA, but it pretty much sums up all the reasons the BOS suck:

"FO1 allready puts into question their viability as an organization, they´re presented as imperfect, and their fate could be considered foreshadowed already then

By FO2 they´re presented as pretty incompetent all in all

FO Tactics shows them as cruel invaders, at least for the first third or half, you pretty much play as a heartless invading force, enslaving, terrorizing civilians etc. This branch or iteration is presented as pretty much indefensible, especially in how civilians will talk to you about it.

FO3 I don´t even know... no, I´ll take them as face value, and at face value, they´re bumbling, incompetent morons

FONV brings back to the BOS of FO1 and FO2, the diminishing, isolated, misguided cult

FO4 seems to want to allude to FOTactics, so much so, they stole the airship idea right from there, also bringing back the militarism, conquering type of M.O."

"The Brotherhood was ♥♥♥♥♥♥ from the start. They just can't adapt to the wasteland, no matter what they do. Simply put; the Capital, the Mojave, the NCR, none of them have any place for a slow to mobilize force of xenophobic marauders. And the Commonwealth seriously has no place for them under Elder Maxson. Under Lyons and wayyy back with Rogers they were at least tolerable, but they make enemies wherever they go. It adds up quickly"

So basically in a nutshell, the Brotherhood spend so much time either hoarding technology or attempting to subjugate whatever wasteland region they reside within, when they should be adapting to the conditions of the wasteland. Hence why the bear will always win.

[cindersoul45]

Originally posted by -CrimsoN-:

FO3 I don´t even know... no, I´ll take them as face value, and at face value, they´re bumbling, incompetent morons

Granted, the same can be said of any faction or settlement in FO3.

And also the people who are making Fallout now.

[Facetable]

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

The brotherhood are all deranged. Even the sane elder knows full well their dogma and 'beliefs' are irrelevant. Whether they 'tolerate' something or not doesn't matter. The moment they stick their head out of that bunker, they get swept away in a repeat of what happened last time.

To be fair the main reason why the brotherhood had such heavy losses before was because Elijah, being the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane megalomaniac that he is, essentially ordered them to fight and die so he could activate Helios’ defense system and use it against the NCR

With that said, the fact that Elijah became elder at all clearly shows that the BOS has completely lost their ♥♥♥♥ as well. This is only further confirmed when Veronica does something as small as suggest the brotherhood be more of a positive influence on the wasteland, only to then have a dozen other paladins try to kill her for what they see as heresy

I find it funny that the organization that was founded by a guy who disobeyed orders because he understood that his superiors were wrong became the same thing that guy fought against.

I don’t think that every member of the brotherhood is completely sucked into the cult mentality, but there’s clearly enough for the majority of the main factions to not want to side with them

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Originally posted by Facetable:

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

The brotherhood are all deranged. Even the sane elder knows full well their dogma and 'beliefs' are irrelevant. Whether they 'tolerate' something or not doesn't matter. The moment they stick their head out of that bunker, they get swept away in a repeat of what happened last time.

To be fair the main reason why the brotherhood had such heavy losses before was because Elijah, being the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane megalomaniac that he is, essentially ordered them to fight and die so he could activate Helios’ defense system and use it against the NCR

With that said, the fact that Elijah became elder at all clearly shows that the BOS has completely lost their ♥♥♥♥ as well. This is only further confirmed when Veronica does something as small as suggest the brotherhood be more of a positive influence on the wasteland, only to then have a dozen other paladins try to kill her for what they see as heresy

I find it funny that the organization that was founded by a guy who disobeyed orders because he understood that his superiors were wrong became the same thing that guy fought against.

I don’t think that every member of the brotherhood is completely sucked into the cult mentality, but there’s clearly enough for the majority of the main factions to not want to side with them

Yeah man, I completely get you. The Brotherhood was on the surface a symbol of hope in the wasteland, and yet the flaws of humanity struck, as the always do, and they became the very thing they sought to destroy.

[worstcaster]

It's hard the like the brotherhood of steel. Veronica is very loyal to them and the loyalty is not returned. Besides the paladins confronting Veronica at the brotherhood, if you try to convince her to leave the brotherhood, they will annihilate the followers of the apocalypse camp to keep her from joining. Elder McNamera knows the brotherhood is going to fall and still won't adapt to keep them alive. If they believe they have to exist to keep mankind from destroying themselves with tech again, then allowing the brotherhood to fall is as much a betrayal of their beliefs as changing to share non lethal tech. They are failing in that dept too, if the Silver Rush is anything to judge by.