What's the deal with 3/0, 4/0 Buck round?

[Johnny Casey]

Only difference between them and normal rounds is that they require more ingredients than the normal, and they have less pellets

So why would you ever want to make these? Less pellets means less damage. They litterally are just an inferior version which for some reason takes more efforts to make them.

I'm not gonna ask why do they even exist, because I know for a fact the developers like Obsidian loves to do these weird stuff, but I'm genuinely curious about is there any benefits that those rounds have that I missed to recognize.

[Vassago Rain]

They do more damage per pellet, but fire fewer pellets. It's a middleground between slugs and buckshot.

[Johnny Casey]

Just figured out that the base damage of shotgun will divided into each pellets, so the less pellets essentially means more damage per pellets, IF the damage modifier is the same. So they do have a purpose. That's my mistake.

Unfortunately, I also figured out the damage modifer for 3/0, 4/0 Buck rounds are actually less(1x) than standard round(x1.3), so they're doing less damage while doing more damage.

Oh well. Obsidian, man.

[Vassago Rain]

Yes, they upped damage on buckshot and magnums to make them viable compared to slugs. Later in the game, you'll be using coin shot or flechettes for soft stuff, and buckets of slugs against most everything else, so 4/0 tends to fall out of use. The 3/0 for the 20 gauge is much, much more useful in comparison.

The only shotgun ammo that's total trash is dragon's breath. Also keep in mind that you run through shotgun shells really quickly, and you're bound to find yourself with a bunch of all types at any given time.

[Medic]

Less pellets= better armor performance. 7 pellets of 10 damage on a target with 8 DT is equal to a total of 14 damage (10 damage is reduced to 2 then is multiplied by 7). Take the same target but instead of 7 pellets of 10 damage, you have 4 pellets of 15 damage, you will do 28 damage (15 is reduced to 7 then multiplied by four). 3/0 and 4/0 is kinda the in between of slugs and regular ammo where slugs are amazing when fighting armor while normal shells aren't.

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

Just figured out that the base damage of shotgun will divided into each pellets, so the less pellets essentially means more damage per pellets, IF the damage modifier is the same. So they do have a purpose. That's my mistake.

Unfortunately, I also figured out the damage modifer for 3/0, 4/0 Buck rounds are actually less(1x) than standard round(x1.3), so they're doing less damage while doing more damage.

Oh well. Obsidian, man.

More damage per pellet means more damage gets through Damage Threshold.

[DankDansk]

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

They do more damage per pellet, but fire fewer pellets. It's a middleground between slugs and buckshot.

Much less spread and better armor penetration. It's the kind of shell that the U.S army would use, like in their Mossberg.

The Shotgun shells in the game are super versitile and have many uses: steel slugs give your shotgun more armor piercing capability and turn it into a short ranged carbine, Coinshot is a slug that has more stopping power but less AP capability, flechette is great against unarmored targets but won't do ♥♥♥♥ against good protection, dragon's breath is a round designed to damage via fire, and pulse slugs are designed to work against robots.

Each has their own uses. I value 3/0 Buckshot and Steel Slugs over everything else, although flechette is not something to scoff at.

[Bansheebutt]

Coinshot is a Buckshot actually.

It's just a potentially worse version of 4/0 Magnum as it has the same properties, but more projectiles, reducing its effectiveness against light armor.
On top of that, you need Legion coins to make it, whereas you can just reload normal 12g in to 4/0 Magnum.

edit: Damn even I still get mixed up on where what shells are good where.

[DankDansk]

Originally posted by Bansheebot:

Coinshot is a Buckshot actually.

It's just a potentially worse version of 4/0 Magnum as it has the same properties, but more projectiles, reducing its effectiveness against light armor.
On top of that, you need Legion coins to make it, whereas you can just reload normal 12g in to 4/0 Magnum.

edit: Damn even I still get mixed up on where what shells are good where.

Now that just sounds inefficient.

[Bansheebutt]

Yeah, lol.

Someone asked Sawyer about it and it's supposed to be a reference to an old cowboy movie or legend.

Also because it was funny to the team that the most likely scenario you'd be using this ammunition is on a character opposed to the Legion, making shells out of the coins you scavenge from the dead.

[Scythia]

Originally posted by Bansheebot:

Yeah, lol.

Someone asked Sawyer about it and it's supposed to be a reference to an old cowboy movie or legend.

Also because it was funny to the team that the most likely scenario you'd be using this ammunition is on a character opposed to the Legion, making shells out of the coins you scavenge from the dead.

Coin Shot is also used in one of the Resident Evil movies... I want to say Afterlife, but they're all so similar that I can't be sure.

[Johnny Casey]

Nice necro

[probablyReptilian]

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Yes, they upped damage on buckshot and magnums to make them viable compared to slugs. Later in the game, you'll be using coin shot or flechettes for soft stuff, and buckets of slugs against most everything else, so 4/0 tends to fall out of use. The 3/0 for the 20 gauge is much, much more useful in comparison.

The only shotgun ammo that's total trash is dragon's breath. Also keep in mind that you run through shotgun shells really quickly, and you're bound to find yourself with a bunch of all types at any given time.

Normally yes I would agree with you, but I found that with the right shotgun perks, DB is really useful against quick targets, such as Cazadores. Cripple their wings with DB and watch them burn, finish them off with the relevant shell. Worked for me. Idk if this method works as well without Shotgun Surgeon (I love shotties ;]) but those bastards are hard to hit.

[Johnny Casey]

Nice necro

[Doctor Go-Go]

Originally posted by mccartneyconnor280:

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

They do more damage per pellet, but fire fewer pellets. It's a middleground between slugs and buckshot.

Much less spread and better armor penetration. It's the kind of shell that the U.S army would use, like in their Mossberg.

A flechette shell is something you would want for armor penetration. Steel or iron brads. Or a jacketed hardened lead slug or a steel iron or iron core slug. What they choose to use really depends on economics, cost of production. All would be just as effective. Flechettes are the most common.

[⎛ᐢᔨ🕷]

Originally posted by Johnny Casey:

Nice necro

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