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LaserDogWest Jun 2, 2018 @ 4:51pm
Fallout 1 & 2 Worth Playing?
Not entirely related to New Vegas, but I was just wondering if Fallout 1 & 2 were worth getting or playing. I like the three fps rpgs, but I'm not sure if I'll enjoy the first 2 games. This is namely because I despise turn based action. Is it worth getting anyways? At the very least, what do the first two games do better than the newer games? Thanks!
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Originally posted by Vassago Rain:
Originally posted by Zaphyra:
I have never found a game breaking glitch or bug that makes fallout 2 unplayable

Half the quests in new Reno are broken, buggy messes. The boxing match that never ends. The not-Mike Tyson that refuses to end his combat turn if you fail to kill him in one go. The Pretty Boy Floyd money quest. Trying to get with either of the Bishops. The Wright kids taking you to a loading screen...which loads, only to reveal that you're still in front of the Wright house, but all the kids are pools of blood.

Honestly, I could go on.

As for OP, yes, they're both very good games. The first game is incredibly short and easy, especially for a cRPG of its time, while the second game is significantly larger, and occasionally throws icewind dale tier encounters at you. Again, I can't stress how short fallout 1 is. The maximum level cap is 21, and you'll probably not even be level 18 when you beat the game. The early game portions of fallout 2 take almost as much time as all of fallout 1, and the max level cap is a Bethesda styled gorillion, which you'll never actually hit, while driving around the wasteland with a big party of dudes that level anywhere from 2 to 8 times alongside you.

Your decisions have a lot more weight to them in fallout 2, and truly dumb choices come with truly dumb and terrible consequences, like how becoming a slaver brands you chaotic stupid, locks you out from most of the smaller quests, makes almost everybody in every town hate you, disables most companions, and all for some early game money. Most everything related to earning quick and easy money can be particularly punishing, or particularly lucrative if you're creative, and/or figure them into an overall character build.

Fallout 2 also has a strong emphasis on making the genders play very different, unlike every other fallout game, and it's also the only fallout game that can be beaten without doing any actual combat (other than firing the first shot, so your army of dudes start attacking), due to the big number of buddies you can have, the car and outdoorsman making random encounters a rarity, and how powerful skills like speech, science, and doctor are, both mechanically and from a roleplay perspective. A character with high charisma, science, and doctor can open many, many doors that other builds can't, like getting somewhere with Vault city and new Reno.

Combat has never been a strong side of the franchise, and is something you kinda do because you have to sometimes, not something you go look for. They knew it wasn't all that great, so they added 7x the weapons they had in fallout 1, fixed how AP and JHP ammo works, and most of the quests that have combat attached to them come with a diplomatic solution, or simply ask that you oversee the combat from X range, so they know you're not backstabbing them. Which you can of course do, and that nets you more money than if you were loyal, but now the town you did it in hates you, and no one wants to employ you for their errands.

It's the little things.
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N0P3 Jun 2, 2018 @ 4:57pm 
The first 2 are official canon.
Marcus, Enclave Duraframe Eyebot research, the Master --Dog Meat's origins; etc.
Not about what the games do better, it's about what they do, period.
You're welcome.
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AC Denton Jun 2, 2018 @ 5:01pm 
Not much.
It's more of the same.

Bethesda just took the same stuff from these games and put it in a 3D open world.
All Fallouts are pretty much the same.
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MannsOverMeta Jun 2, 2018 @ 5:04pm 
If you think a post apocalyptic setting and vaults are all that a Fallout game is then yeah they’re all the same.
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Zaphyra Jun 2, 2018 @ 5:13pm 
Best Soundtracks
Best Atmosphere (mainly fallout 1)
Low intelligence conversations
More of an RPG than the other games
No hand holding so it's more rewarding
Great writing/voice acting (take president richardson, myron, and the master for example)
Best easter eggs
Less limitations

So...yes, i think you should play them.
Last edited by Zaphyra; Jun 2, 2018 @ 5:16pm
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LaserDogWest Jun 2, 2018 @ 6:06pm 
Thanks for the replies everyone! I'll definetly consider them.
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Vita, Mortis, Careo Jun 2, 2018 @ 6:52pm 
If you are into roleplaying games, Fallout and Fallout 2 are most definitely on the short list of great RPGs that you should definitely play, along with the two Baldur's Gate games, Planescape: Torment, Vampire, The Masquerade: Bloodlines and the Ultima series.
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Kvinden Jun 2, 2018 @ 7:47pm 
No. Not much more to add.
Fallout 1 was ok in 1998 but now it is a poor game with an obsolete gameplay. The fetichists of the licence can say what they want with their "canon", the story is not very good, and fallout 2 is so bugged it is unplayable without adding a lot of mods to fix some errors and add some others. Don't expect open world, spoken dialogues, 3D animations or friendly interface.
they are turn based, ridiculous random encounters serve as pretext for private jokes you won't understand and the combat system is terrible, I seldom saw worse.

You can still try fallout 1 if you don't believe me because it is shorter and overall better but don't even consider fallout 2, except as a museum piece to ornate the shelf above your desk. But then you need the boxed version because the digital download is not decorative
Last edited by Kvinden; Jun 2, 2018 @ 7:57pm
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Zaphyra Jun 2, 2018 @ 8:01pm 
Originally posted by Sigert:
No. Not much more to add.
Fallout 1 was ok in 1998 but now it is a poor game with an obsolete gameplay. The fetichists of the licence can say what they want with their "canon", the story is not very good, and fallout 2 is so bugged it is unplayable without adding a lot of mods to fix some errors and add some others. Don't expect open world, spoken dialogues, 3D animations or friendly interface.
they are turn based, ridiculous random encounters serve as pretext for private jokes you won't understand and the combat system is terrible, I seldom saw worse.

You can still try fallout 1 if you don't believe me because it is shorter and overall better but don't even consider fallout 2, except as a museum piece to ornate the shelf above your desk. But then you need the boxed version because the digital download is not decorative
Unplayable? Lol that is not true.
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Zaphyra Jun 2, 2018 @ 8:03pm 
I have never found a game breaking glitch or bug that makes fallout 2 unplayable
Last edited by Zaphyra; Jun 2, 2018 @ 8:04pm
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LaserDogWest Jun 2, 2018 @ 8:11pm 
Do the classic Fallout games include morally gray decisions? My biggest problem with F4, and even in other Fallout games, is that everything tends to be black and white, instead of bittersweet/grey as in Witcher 3.
Last edited by LaserDogWest; Jun 2, 2018 @ 8:11pm
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THICCUS MAXIMUS Jun 2, 2018 @ 8:26pm 
Originally posted by Farticus Maximus:
Not much.
It's more of the same.

Bethesda just took the same stuff from these games and put it in a 3D open world.
All Fallouts are pretty much the same.

War...

War never changes.
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MilliM Jun 2, 2018 @ 8:40pm 
Originally posted by LazerDogWest:
Do the classic Fallout games include morally gray decisions? My biggest problem with F4, and even in other Fallout games, is that everything tends to be black and white, instead of bittersweet/grey as in Witcher 3.

Yes, F2 moreso than 1. However, F1 does have an important choice which is why the Kid in the Fridge quest for F4 can't work.
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LaserDogWest Jun 2, 2018 @ 8:46pm 
Originally posted by Dougie Jones:
Originally posted by LazerDogWest:
Do the classic Fallout games include morally gray decisions? My biggest problem with F4, and even in other Fallout games, is that everything tends to be black and white, instead of bittersweet/grey as in Witcher 3.

Yes, F2 moreso than 1. However, F1 does have an important choice which is why the Kid in the Fridge quest for F4 can't work.

I'm fine with spoilers to be honest. Or atleast an explanation as to why the Kid in the Fridge quest doesn't work. I'm pretty intrigued now. Plus I was mainly leaning towards F2, so F1 spoilers aren't really a problem.
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MannsOverMeta Jun 2, 2018 @ 9:37pm 
In F1 there's a ghoul town that will die out if you get rid of their water source, establishing that ghouls do still need water, and likely food as well, to survive.
Therefore, the kid in the fridge, who's been stuck for 210+ years, should be long gone.
Same for Nick's rival, who also locked himself up with limited supplies for 210+ years without dying.
Last edited by MannsOverMeta; Jun 2, 2018 @ 9:38pm
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fоreskin feta Jun 2, 2018 @ 10:14pm 
in fallout 2 you can be the king of porn
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