No communist faction?

[Redguard]

It's a very big loss. I really want to join this kind of faction, to distribute all the junk among ppl, not just keeping it for myself. This is what we need in the postnuclear world to survive- selflessness and feel of community

[Sgt.Random♿]

Escrito originalmente por Bersaglieri:

Escrito originalmente por Sgt.Random:

This is what you don't understand; Working together and relying on others for help is not the same at all, and even now, in a capitalist society businesses still have to work together to achieve a stable income, and they are doing that exact thing, so by your ooga booga caveman definition, society is weak.

For your information, there is a minimal of work that you have to do to actually achieve income in most communist countries, if you were found multiple times of not accomplishing the minimal you were sent to something we like to call the "Naked island", I believe you would fit there quite well.

funny because so many socialists complain about working a 40 hour work week in the USA and I grew up working 60 hours a week. They demand big wages for work that a 15 year old can do. They act like society is the problem. I see plenty of opportunities for AMBITIOUS people out there. I dont see a drive among people advocating for Communism in the west. I see people who have always needed someone else to take care of them because they didnt have the proper role models to teach them. Am I saying our society is weak? Compare it to just 100 years ago, yeah it's much weaker today. People complain about every damn little thing. No one wants to grit their teeth, deal with a few hardships now for something better down the road. We now live in a culture of instant gratification.

I'd say that's more of a problem with your country, considering most of you are lazy fat ♥♥♥♥♥ or school shooters, just saying it as it is - statistically proven. Done with this conversation tho cuz it's really not fun talking with someone who doesn't even understand the basics of the ideology he is talking about.

[Redguard]

Escrito originalmente por Bersaglieri:

Escrito originalmente por Redguard:

Why.we.dont.have.commie.faction in New Vegas?

because they would die off to the harsh wastelands. ta-da

anyways I'll leave you to it. time to hop back in game. It's been fun.

Have fun 😃

[Sgt.Random♿]

Escrito originalmente por Redguard:

Why.we.dont.have.commie.faction in New Vegas?

Basically mostly because everyone remembers who dropped the nukes on them.

[Bersaglieri]

Escrito originalmente por Sgt.Random:

Escrito originalmente por Bersaglieri:

funny because so many socialists complain about working a 40 hour work week in the USA and I grew up working 60 hours a week. They demand big wages for work that a 15 year old can do. They act like society is the problem. I see plenty of opportunities for AMBITIOUS people out there. I dont see a drive among people advocating for Communism in the west. I see people who have always needed someone else to take care of them because they didnt have the proper role models to teach them. Am I saying our society is weak? Compare it to just 100 years ago, yeah it's much weaker today. People complain about every damn little thing. No one wants to grit their teeth, deal with a few hardships now for something better down the road. We now live in a culture of instant gratification.

I'd say that's more of a problem with your country, considering most of you are lazy fat ♥♥♥♥♥ or school shooters, just saying it as it is - statistically proven. Done with this conversation tho cuz it's really not fun talking with someone who doesn't even understand the basics of the ideology he is talking about.

And yet it's the lazy fat ones who want the Socialism. Are we noticing a pattern here yet kids? Good. :D

school shootings make up less than 1% of shootings in America. Most shootings are done with illegally owned firearms by gang members and drug dealers. I'm sure you get your news sources from Buzzfeed. Here's a better idea, go to the FBI data base. And before I hear about it no, the gun show loophole is not real. ;)

ta-ta

[M82]

Escrito originalmente por Sgt.Random:

Escrito originalmente por Bersaglieri:

funny because so many socialists complain about working a 40 hour work week in the USA and I grew up working 60 hours a week. They demand big wages for work that a 15 year old can do. They act like society is the problem. I see plenty of opportunities for AMBITIOUS people out there. I dont see a drive among people advocating for Communism in the west. I see people who have always needed someone else to take care of them because they didnt have the proper role models to teach them. Am I saying our society is weak? Compare it to just 100 years ago, yeah it's much weaker today. People complain about every damn little thing. No one wants to grit their teeth, deal with a few hardships now for something better down the road. We now live in a culture of instant gratification.

I'd say that's more of a problem with your country, considering most of you are lazy fat ♥♥♥♥♥ or school shooters, just saying it as it is - statistically proven. Done with this conversation tho cuz it's really not fun talking with someone who doesn't even understand the basics of the ideology he is talking about.

"statistically proven"

By what ? The Roblox research center server ?

Shut the ♥♥♥♥ up ♥♥♥♥♥♥

[lil rat]

Jebus crisp I was hoping to find memes but it's just a heated pointless argument that's getting less and less relevant to Fallout NV.

In the topic at hand though, a communist faction wouldn't make sense in the U.S in Fallout since chances are if anyone had a shred bit of interest in communism they likely would've been killed/jailed during the Great War if not right after when the bombs dropped, plus like someone else mentioned the U.S. were kinda in the same mentality about Communist back in the Cold War but 100x in fallout, And even if someone were to somehow survive pass that they'd be a ghoul, or maybe VaultTec made a vault where people practiced communism, but then again what few vaults there were in the mojave they were destroyed, and that'd probably would be the closest thing you'd get.

Otherwise though, why talk about this for Fallout NV? After all don't chinese remnants show up in Fallout 4? The closest thing I could imagine is having a communist faction mod in Fallout 4 without being immersion breaking, since obviously the chinese had a sub there. There could be a mod where chinese remnants convince group of survivors to form some communist group. Heh, maybe you can convince someone to make a mod like that, assuming anyone makes mods for these games anymore.

[lil rat]

And honestly, when I saw how Bersaglieri mention the weakness stuff and the Legion, that sounds like something perfect for a really cool villain or anti-hero character of some sort lol.

[Redguard]

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

Otherwise though, why talk about this for Fallout NV? After all don't chinese remnants show up in Fallout 4? The closest thing I could imagine is having a communist faction mod in Fallout 4 without being immersion breaking, since obviously the chinese had a sub there. There could be a mod where chinese remnants convince group of survivors to form some communist group. Heh, maybe you can convince someone to make a mod like that, assuming anyone makes mods for these games anymore.

Fallout 4 wasn't made by original developers, hence doesn't belong to Fallout universe

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

In the topic at hand though, a communist faction wouldn't make sense in the U.S in Fallout since chances are if anyone had a shred bit of interest in communism they likely would've been killed/jailed during the Great War if not right after when the bombs dropped

nope. There still would be people who remember that US were first to make the bomb. Moreover, inventing nuclear bomb after World War was ended was probably the most stupid thing the human kind ever commited, and that was done by capitalist USA. They just got the boumerang back. So there is justification people of Mojave would prefer commies to NCR

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

And honestly, when I saw how Bersaglieri mention the weakness stuff and the Legion, that sounds like something perfect for a really cool villain or anti-hero character of some sort lol.

Well, he would make nice legate of Caesar, but not a problem for me. I get communist styled power armor and blow up his tent and his gay legion buddies :D

[lil rat]

Escrito originalmente por Redguard:

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

Otherwise though, why talk about this for Fallout NV? After all don't chinese remnants show up in Fallout 4? The closest thing I could imagine is having a communist faction mod in Fallout 4 without being immersion breaking, since obviously the chinese had a sub there. There could be a mod where chinese remnants convince group of survivors to form some communist group. Heh, maybe you can convince someone to make a mod like that, assuming anyone makes mods for these games anymore.

Fallout 4 wasn't made by original developers, hence doesn't belong to Fallout universe

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

In the topic at hand though, a communist faction wouldn't make sense in the U.S in Fallout since chances are if anyone had a shred bit of interest in communism they likely would've been killed/jailed during the Great War if not right after when the bombs dropped

nope. There still would be people who remember that US were first to make the bomb. Moreover, inventing nuclear bomb after World War was ended was probably the most stupid thing the human kind ever commited, and that was done by capitalist USA. They just got the boumerang back. So there is justification people of Mojave would prefer commies to NCR

Fallout 4 was made by Bethesda, so it IS canon. So unless you want to go for "your own canon," my best suggestion is either go to Yes Man, or pray there's a mod out there that allows you to make your own faction. And who made the bombs or not is irrelevant, we're talking about New Vegas and a communist faction, not real life events, who invented the bombs, etc. By the way, can you cite who remembers the Great War in Fallout other than the BoS?

[Redguard]

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

Fallout 4 was made by Bethesda, so it IS canon.

Bethesda are not original developers

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

So unless you want to go for "your own canon," my best suggestion is either go to Yes Man, or pray there's a mod out there that allows you to make your own faction.

may be thats a way to go.My last playthrough was for Mr House, because i believed that this New World should rely on personalities rather than political factions. But now i should consider Yes Man (for the sakeof diversity), still cant kill MrHouse :( May be bad stories about his cruelties will give me justification.

Also I considered playing for NCR, but their way of recreating the old United States will bring just another desaster to the world. Thats why I cant follow them :(

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

And who made the bombs or not is irrelevant, we're talking about New Vegas and a communist faction, not real life events, who invented the bombs, etc. By the way, can you cite who remembers the Great War in Fallout other than the BoS?

Thats why we need commie faction - to bring people wisdom and tell commies are not responsible for what happened

[lil rat]

Escrito originalmente por Redguard:

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

Fallout 4 was made by Bethesda, so it IS canon.

Bethesda are not original developers

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

So unless you want to go for "your own canon," my best suggestion is either go to Yes Man, or pray there's a mod out there that allows you to make your own faction.

may be thats a way to go.My last playthrough was for Mr House, because i believed that this New World should rely on personalities rather than political factions. But now i should consider Yes Man (for the sakeof diversity), still cant kill MrHouse :( May be bad stories about his cruelties will give me justification.

Also I considered playing for NCR, but their way of recreating the old United States will bring just another desaster to the world. Thats why I cant follow them :(

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

And who made the bombs or not is irrelevant, we're talking about New Vegas and a communist faction, not real life events, who invented the bombs, etc. By the way, can you cite who remembers the Great War in Fallout other than the BoS?

Thats why we need commie faction - to bring people wisdom and tell commies are not responsible for what happened

Correct, they aren't the original developers but it IS their IP, they decide how the lore/story is setup and what's canon and what's not canon. And that's what makes Fallout NV's writing so good, every faction has their ups and downs, there's not suppose to be a "who has the moral high ground or most practical-ness," and just don't think about the politics, just think for yourself really. Mr. House isn't a bad choice imo as he was the first one I choose in my 1st playthrough, then I choose NCR 2nd. And while I can see why you think that way of the NCR, I wouldn't say they would repeat the same mistakes of the Great War. They're simply incompetent. If the NCR were self-aware, they would've been your generic goodie two-shoes faction that you'd always side with.

Also, I think you're taking the "commie" thing a little too seriously, because regardless it doesn't matter who made the bombs, China used them, the U.S. likely used them against China in Fallout, and because of some desperate resource war no one cares about because 200+ years ago, created the post apocalypse. That doesn't mean "We need a communist faction," that just means people need restraint, and NOT nuke the world.

[M82]

Escrito originalmente por Redguard:

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

Otherwise though, why talk about this for Fallout NV? After all don't chinese remnants show up in Fallout 4? The closest thing I could imagine is having a communist faction mod in Fallout 4 without being immersion breaking, since obviously the chinese had a sub there. There could be a mod where chinese remnants convince group of survivors to form some communist group. Heh, maybe you can convince someone to make a mod like that, assuming anyone makes mods for these games anymore.

Fallout 4 wasn't made by original developers, hence doesn't belong to Fallout universe

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Fallout 4 is canon, Fallout 76 is canon, and you, good sir, are an a-hole.

[Sgt.Random♿]

Escrito originalmente por Anima Christi:

Escrito originalmente por Sgt.Random:

I'd say that's more of a problem with your country, considering most of you are lazy fat ♥♥♥♥♥ or school shooters, just saying it as it is - statistically proven. Done with this conversation tho cuz it's really not fun talking with someone who doesn't even understand the basics of the ideology he is talking about.

"statistically proven"

By what ? The Roblox research center server ?

Shut the ♥♥♥♥ up ♥♥♥♥♥♥

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/mass-shootings-by-country/

"The truth of the matter is that the United States is actually number sixty-six on the list of countries in terms of mass shooting rates per capita, but they have had more mass shootings than any other country in terms of overall numbers. "

For the obesity rates you are up there, but aren't in the top 5 anymore so good job on you.

[Sgt.Random♿]

Escrito originalmente por Anima Christi:

Escrito originalmente por Redguard:

Fallout 4 wasn't made by original developers, hence doesn't belong to Fallout universe

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Fallout 4 is canon, Fallout 76 is canon, and you, good sir, are an a-hole.

Hope the people in the post apocalypse had to also pay 100 dollars per year, along with the "full" Fallout 76 game and PS online/Xbox online lul.

[Sgt.Random♿]

Escrito originalmente por Redguard:

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

Fallout 4 was made by Bethesda, so it IS canon.

Bethesda are not original developers

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

So unless you want to go for "your own canon," my best suggestion is either go to Yes Man, or pray there's a mod out there that allows you to make your own faction.

may be thats a way to go.My last playthrough was for Mr House, because i believed that this New World should rely on personalities rather than political factions. But now i should consider Yes Man (for the sakeof diversity), still cant kill MrHouse :( May be bad stories about his cruelties will give me justification.

Also I considered playing for NCR, but their way of recreating the old United States will bring just another desaster to the world. Thats why I cant follow them :(

Escrito originalmente por lil dave:

And who made the bombs or not is irrelevant, we're talking about New Vegas and a communist faction, not real life events, who invented the bombs, etc. By the way, can you cite who remembers the Great War in Fallout other than the BoS?

Thats why we need commie faction - to bring people wisdom and tell commies are not responsible for what happened

Bethesda is too busy ruining their reputation with "subscriptions" to hear you. Obsidian is about to rake in paychecks with The Outer Worlds.