Did anyone else think Jeannie May did it-

[moo -moo]

-before finding the "bill of sale"?
I suspected it to be Manny, but he just seemed to obvious. But after talking to everyone, the only person that stuck out was Jeannie.

Her sentences were jumbled up and didn't seem correctly phrased, but what really caught me was the fact she was looking away when she was talking about what could of happened to Boone's girl.
Which are common signs of behavior of someone lying.
If you ask her anything else, she, and like others in town, will have direct eye contact with you.

I also recalled how passionate Jeannie was, when I first met her, about Novac itself. And for someone to talk trash about it may have ticked her off.

The amount of detail put in this game is amazing.

[ralphtobybob]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bow -wow:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Saturday Morning Lilligant:

I wanted to guess and find out myself the first time I played NV but my a-s-shole buddy tricked me into picking her safe after I got my room key when first getting to Novac befor starting the Ding dong dang quest. I then promptly punched him in the ♥♥♥♥.

Sucks you didn't get to guess. i think for some reason to find the bill instead of going based off of confronting NPC's and actually paying attention to what they say and their body gestures robs the game from it's nice small details.

You would have to be be familiar with the way people communicate post-war. Everyone is armed so it's likely that people who aren't wandering mercs would be afraid of direct eye contact with someone who is. Someone could take that as a challenge. When you tell Cliff you killed her, he makes it a point to let you know that he isn't calling you a liar.
She could have also been busy and just humoring you, since you're a newcomer getting your information from 2nd and 3rd hand sources. She knows Boone is a loner, and would never expect him to share a confidence with a stranger. And in her mind, any unpleasantness or suspicions have already blown over.

[ralphtobybob]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 😩👌 Thicc Gru 👌😩(bday in 4 days):

She did it for money and fear of the Legion, that's it. She didn't like Boone's wife anyway.

That's where the storyline breaks down. There was nothing to stop the Legion from taking everyone and occupying the town. One sniper and a couple of caravan mercs aren't much of an army. There's a Legion camp nearby so they already have a supply line set up.

[Kleiner's final Form]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ralphtobybob:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 😩👌 Thicc Gru 👌😩(bday in 4 days):

She did it for money and fear of the Legion, that's it. She didn't like Boone's wife anyway.

That's where the storyline breaks down. There was nothing to stop the Legion from taking everyone and occupying the town. One sniper and a couple of caravan mercs aren't much of an army. There's a Legion camp nearby so they already have a supply line set up.

Question is, why would they want to occupy that position? Theres three NCR Soldiers there, that would not only cost manpower but would be killed anyways, some old women and a drunk idiot. Nothing of value there, aside from the fact that May actually assisted the Legion meaning theres even less of a point in overrunning them.

[Boneyard Bob]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ralphtobybob:

That really isn't enough information to make a judgement. If you poke around at the ranch, another possibiity pops up. You need concrete evidence.

Um, yeah. I know all that thanks to multiple playthroughs, but the OP was not asking about finding evidence, it was asking if anyone else suspected her before they found the evidence. RIF.

[moo -moo]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ralphtobybob:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bow -wow:

Sucks you didn't get to guess. i think for some reason to find the bill instead of going based off of confronting NPC's and actually paying attention to what they say and their body gestures robs the game from it's nice small details.

You would have to be be familiar with the way people communicate post-war. Everyone is armed so it's likely that people who aren't wandering mercs would be afraid of direct eye contact with someone who is. Someone could take that as a challenge. When you tell Cliff you killed her, he makes it a point to let you know that he isn't calling you a liar.
She could have also been busy and just humoring you, since you're a newcomer getting your information from 2nd and 3rd hand sources. She knows Boone is a loner, and would never expect him to share a confidence with a stranger. And in her mind, any unpleasantness or suspicions have already blown over.

Wow you make really good points and a perspective I never really thought much of. I should open my mind more, jezus. After a fallout, alot of people can change in certain ways.

[moo -moo]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kleiner's final Form:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ralphtobybob:

That's where the storyline breaks down. There was nothing to stop the Legion from taking everyone and occupying the town. One sniper and a couple of caravan mercs aren't much of an army. There's a Legion camp nearby so they already have a supply line set up.

Question is, why would they want to occupy that position? Theres three NCR Soldiers there, that would not only cost manpower but would be killed anyways, some old women and a drunk idiot. Nothing of value there, aside from the fact that May actually assisted the Legion meaning theres even less of a point in overrunning them.

Now seeing this and thinking about it, it kinda doesn't make sense. The legion could have just stormed in on Novac nearby and didn't need to pay up a single cap to have someone as
a slave. There wasn't really much NCR troops outerside of the camp where legion was keeping some of the troops hostage. Kinda strange.
And even stranger, there was a NCR outpost not too far from the hostage event.

What was even going on?

[Saturday Morning Lilligant]

Just genarel Apathy. No one realy cares much for others i the Mojave exsept for a select few. Hell if you want Six can be an apathetic Ass-hat if you play Him/Her that way. most people in the Wastes are just a means to an end to others. Thats how I see it anyways

[ralphtobybob]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kleiner's final Form:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ralphtobybob:

That's where the storyline breaks down. There was nothing to stop the Legion from taking everyone and occupying the town. One sniper and a couple of caravan mercs aren't much of an army. There's a Legion camp nearby so they already have a supply line set up.

Question is, why would they want to occupy that position? Theres three NCR Soldiers there, that would not only cost manpower but would be killed anyways, some old women and a drunk idiot. Nothing of value there, aside from the fact that May actually assisted the Legion meaning theres even less of a point in overrunning them.

Why would they take Nipton or Nelson? The Legion's goal is to take Hoover Dam and the surrounding area away from the NCR. Both want to take over New Vegas.
But the Legion enslaves people like the people who live in Novac. Taking Novac makes it easier to control the nearby highways and possibly cut off NCR reinforcements to Helios.
It would also force NCR to consider pulling troops away from Hoover Dam.

[Bansheebutt]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Johnny Casey:

by setting someone who incredibly hates Legion as the first companion

The first companions you're set up to get are a non-verbal robot and Raul, who is at most neutral.

[red255]

the clue that leads to you jeane may or at least leads me to her, would be given by no-bark.

I think No-bark tells you just to loot her safe though.

in quests like these you ALWAYS talk to the homeless people. they see things.

[Perfectly Valid School of Magic]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zaz Bacon:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Johnny Casey:

by setting someone who incredibly hates Legion as the first companion

The first companions you're set up to get are a non-verbal robot and Raul, who is at most neutral.

What about Cassy? If you do the Primm quest you'll find yourself at the Outpost where she is. She loathes the Legion too.

[red255]

Cassy can't be acquired until you get to crimson caravan and backtrack I believe.

first companion is either Raul or boone, followed by veronica who...should hate the NCR

[Perfectly Valid School of Magic]

Right. Forgot about that.

Who is Raul? I've only played the game twice..

[Saturday Morning Lilligant]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von red255:

Cassy can't be acquired until you get to crimson caravan and backtrack I believe.

first companion is either Raul or boone, followed by veronica who...should hate the NCR

No first companion you can and should get is ED-E. It's farly easy to find the ♥♥♥♥ you need to fix him in goodspring and primm. Just cycle Chets shop and he'll have the conducters eventualy.

[Hammer Of Evil]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Saturday Morning Lilligant:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von red255:

Cassy can't be acquired until you get to crimson caravan and backtrack I believe.

first companion is either Raul or boone, followed by veronica who...should hate the NCR

No first companion you can and should get is ED-E. It's farly easy to find the ♥♥♥♥ you need to fix him in goodspring and primm. Just cycle Chets shop and he'll have the conducters eventualy.

i liked him in the early days. he would always help me know when i was about to get mauled by 10 cazadores