Siding with Mr. House.

[Tea Thief]

Hello, I'd like to get some opinions on this. I decided to side with Mr. House in hopes of ensuring humanity a better future. I can't help but hope that in good time the greed underlying some of his decisions will still result in a better future for mankind. He seems very orderly and in his own distanced way and even a little caring despite dealing with humane manners as though they were a meer business move.

What do you think?

[Zeno]

I think the evidence that he doesn't really care about anything outside of his business interests is evident in the way he treats the citizens of Freeside. He refuses to send aid to the Followers or really any groups that could help the people there, and he doesn't allow anyone into the Strip unless he or she has 2000 caps, which is quite a bit in the Fallout world if one isn't a merchant or doesn't own a business of some kind. He takes money from the Three Families even though he doesn't actually really do anything except preside over them with his securitrons. Anything positive or "humanitarian" he does just helps him maintain his power and appearance. He's no different from the "humanitarians" of this era; he knowingly pushes a system that causes poverty and goes on to try to "combat" it knowing full well that he's one of the reasons behind it, and that it'll continue to be a problem as long as he's enforcing and perpetuating it.

With the amount of caps the Strip makes, he could reinvest some of that money into Freeside or other areas with building projects, security, etc. that would improve the people's quality of life, but he doesn't. Imo, there's just no evidence to justify the notion that Mr. House is supposed to be this super-good-guy-savior-of-humanity type. He's a businessman, and he acts like one. He doesn't care about people if he can't profit from them.

[Tea Thief]

Originally posted by Zeno:

I think the evidence that he doesn't really care about anything outside of his business interests is evident in the way he treats the citizens of Freeside. He refuses to send aid to the Followers or really any groups that could help the people there, and he doesn't allow anyone into the Strip unless he or she has 2000 caps, which is quite a bit in the Fallout world if one isn't a merchant or doesn't own a business of some kind. He takes money from the Three Families even though he doesn't actually really do anything except preside over them with his securitrons. Anything positive or "humanitarian" he does just helps him maintain his power and appearance. He's no different from the "humanitarians" of this era; he knowingly pushes a system that causes poverty and goes on to try to "combat" it knowing full well that he's one of the reasons behind it, and that it'll continue to be a problem as long as he's enforcing and perpetuating it.

With the amount of caps the Strip makes, he could reinvest some of that money into Freeside or other areas with building projects, security, etc. that would improve the people's quality of life, but he doesn't. Imo, there's just no evidence to justify the notion that Mr. House is supposed to be this super-good-guy-savior-of-humanity type. He's a businessman, and he acts like one. He doesn't care about people if he can't profit from them.

And with that, what do you think would be the best faction to side with? I agree with your points, I struggle to leave his service because I also question the compitence of the other orginizations. Maybe that is what they meant by "War, war never changes." There will always be a perversion or a loss. Thank you for your time.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by Perspective Subjective:

And with that, what do you think would be the best faction to side with? I agree with your points, I struggle to leave his service because I also question the compitence of the other orginizations. Maybe that is what they meant by "War, war never changes." There will always be a perversion or a loss. Thank you for your time.

If I were you, I'd just go Independent/Yes Man. The thing is, as things stand right now, neither the NCR nor the Legion are built to last—the NCR because it's so incredibly corrupt, and the Legion because it revolves so heavily around Caesar, and it doesn't look like he's going to take on a protege any time soon. I say Independent because it leads to settlements having independence; they aren't taxed, they're not made into slaves, and there's no despotic leader attempting to control the Strip or other areas. The Independent ending is by no means perfect, but it gives the Mojave a chance to carve its own path and be run by the will of its people rather than a dictator or a bureaucracy.

EDIT: And, yeah, there is no "perfect" ending for the game. Everything has benefits and drawbacks, and it's ultimately up to you to decide what you think is best for the region. And no problem :) I enjoy these types of discussions.

[Tea Thief]

Originally posted by Zeno:

Originally posted by Perspective Subjective:

And with that, what do you think would be the best faction to side with? I agree with your points, I struggle to leave his service because I also question the compitence of the other orginizations. Maybe that is what they meant by "War, war never changes." There will always be a perversion or a loss. Thank you for your time.

If I were you, I'd just go Independent/Yes Man. The thing is, as things stand right now, neither the NCR nor the Legion are built to last—the NCR because it's so incredibly corrupt, and the Legion because it revolves so heavily around Caesar, and it doesn't look like he's going to take on a protege any time soon. I say Independent because it leads to settlements having independence; they aren't taxed, they're not made into slaves, and there's no despotic leader attempting to control the Strip or other areas. The Independent ending is by no means perfect, but it gives the Mojave a chance to carve its own path and be run by the will of its people rather than a dictator or a bureaucracy.

EDIT: And, yeah, there is no "perfect" ending for the game. Everything has benefits and drawbacks, and it's ultimately up to you to decide what you think is best for the region. And no problem :) I enjoy these types of discussions.

I enjoy these conversations too, they are sometimes hard to find. The internet isn't known to house constructive conversation, I'm glad this one was an exception to that statistic. I'll consider what you've said, lastly I'd like to thank you once more. Enjoy your internet endeavors.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by Perspective Subjective:

I enjoy these conversations too, they are sometimes hard to find. The internet isn't known to house constructive conversation, I'm glad this one was an exception to that statistic. I'll consider what you've said, lastly I'd like to thank you once more. Enjoy your internet endeavors.

Thanks, and you too. :)

[MannsOverMeta]

Mr. House wants New Vegas to be his own Pre-War bubble. He doesn't care about anything or anyone else unless they can provide something, are a threat/in his way, or he dislikes them.
He isn't a very good thing for the people outside of New Vegas For example, House charges the NCR for the Dam's power. He will expand his control into Freeside, something the Kings disagree with, and will kill them all when they fight back. If they are on friendly terms with the NCR, House will kill them all for not fighting something he doesn't like. He'll only leave the Kings alone if they go against the NCR.
If you have three NCR take control of Primm, House will send his securitrons there to tax the citizens, causing them to suffer and House to profit.
With Mr. House, New Vegas will become better, but the areas outside Vegas worsen overall.

[Oblivion]

Mr house just wants the strip to prosper.
Thats all he cares about, go independant.

[キールス]

Originally posted by Zeno:

Originally posted by Perspective Subjective:

And with that, what do you think would be the best faction to side with? I agree with your points, I struggle to leave his service because I also question the compitence of the other orginizations. Maybe that is what they meant by "War, war never changes." There will always be a perversion or a loss. Thank you for your time.

If I were you, I'd just go Independent/Yes Man. The thing is, as things stand right now, neither the NCR nor the Legion are built to last—the NCR because it's so incredibly corrupt, and the Legion because it revolves so heavily around Caesar, and it doesn't look like he's going to take on a protege any time soon. I say Independent because it leads to settlements having independence; they aren't taxed, they're not made into slaves, and there's no despotic leader attempting to control the Strip or other areas. The Independent ending is by no means perfect, but it gives the Mojave a chance to carve its own path and be run by the will of its people rather than a dictator or a bureaucracy.

EDIT: And, yeah, there is no "perfect" ending for the game. Everything has benefits and drawbacks, and it's ultimately up to you to decide what you think is best for the region. And no problem :) I enjoy these types of discussions.

Well there's that ending where you kill everybody. The Father Elijah ending.

[Our Savior]

House is a capitalist God. He only cares about preserving The Strip. He is not concerned with anything outside the walls of the Strip.

[Tea Thief]

Originally posted by Our Savior:

House is a capitalist God. He only cares about preserving The Strip. He is not concerned with anything outside the walls of the Strip.

Yes, I would have to agree. The only redemption through house would be the means by which he protects his oasis, the strip. He will ensure that members of humanity survive. In time I can only hope that space exploration and more otherwise unseen innovations will take place, rendering his cold and business-like approach to humanity a worthwhile effort. This might be optimistic of me but optimism is the only drive in a wasteland of a broken humanity. (Hope I'm not sounding a little too into the game, I just figured I would reply with my two cents. Thank you for your time.)

[psychotron666]

I think Mr house gives the best chance for a future of humanity. Plus he gives the most amount of personal freedom, doesn't tax, let's you do what you want with your lives as oblong as you aren't starting violence in his territory.

Basically he'll give the most freedom while still having a semblance of security.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by Kirus:

Well there's that ending where you kill everybody. The Father Elijah ending.

True, but I'm unconvinced that killing people is conducive to their health and happiness, tbh.

Originally posted by Our Savior:

House is a capitalist God. He only cares about preserving The Strip. He is not concerned with anything outside the walls of the Strip.

God must protect his Garden of Eden, I suppose.

[drillsardela]

THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS BABY

[imma smack ts out chu]

Yes Man is the best one

[QHD_144hz_MLED_5ms]

Originally posted by jeff:

Yes Man is the best one

nah its a neutral ending, in the short term the best ending is NCR or Legion with Ceasar alive, but for long term it would be Mr. House for sure.

Legion winning but with Lanius taking over is the absolute worst ending.