Damage Is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Stupid

[Francisè von Spitroast]

Who ever decided a guy can take literally 7 shots of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ explosive to the face is actually retarded. I hate how damage works in these games. Hard should not equate to a guy can take 50 more shots to the face by a minigun. I'm getting chased by these legionaries and they are literally impossible to kill because my lancer apparently takes 30 seconds to kill a guy while his exact lancer, and me having 4 less DT than him means I take 2 seconds. How the ♥♥♥♥ does that work? How am I meant to kill them when a grenade launcher takes 7 direct hits to kill one of them? On top of that I have to worry with the games stupid animations, sluggish responsives and non-stop bugs.

I love this game, but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell how dumb do you have to be that taking more damage to a ridiculous extent that a minigun 100 times to the face with a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wolf as a helmet is NOT real difficulty nor does it make sense in the slightest.

[76561198282327372]

Damage is stat based, not skill based.
There are mods for that.

[Anro]

Animation
Hitmans Animation overhaul
or
Weapon Animation Replacer Enhanced comatbilitats pack

Damage
RDW Realstic Weapon Damage
or
Project Nevada to change everthing the balance

[Francisè von Spitroast]

Originally posted by Oderus:

Damage is stat based, not skill based.
There are mods for that.

Never said it was skill based. Did you read my post?
Mods are not the answer. I don't know why Bethesda players non-stop insist on mods to fix the game. I'm playing what Oblivion made, not what the community made. I don't understand why I should have to use mods to fix what the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ company made. That's downright pathetic.

Originally posted by Anro:

Animation
Hitmans Animation overhaul
or
Weapon Animation Replacer Enhanced comatbilitats pack

Damage
RDW Realstic Weapon Damage
or
Project Nevada to change everthing the balance

Read above.

[76561198282327372]

If it's that difficult for you to install a mod to make damage more realistic, (solution to your gripe) then don't complain about it.

[Anro]

Originally posted by JizzTheWizz:

Originally posted by Oderus:

Damage is stat based, not skill based.
There are mods for that.

Never said it was skill based. Did you read my post?
Mods are not the answer. I don't know why Bethesda players non-stop insist on mods to fix the game. I'm playing what Oblivion made, not what the community made. I don't understand why I should have to use mods to fix what the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ company made. That's downright pathetic.

Originally posted by Anro:

Animation
Hitmans Animation overhaul
or
Weapon Animation Replacer Enhanced comatbilitats pack

Damage
RDW Realstic Weapon Damage
or
Project Nevada to change everthing the balance

Read above.

without the mods
Would bethesada long ago broke

for me personllay. i play the vanilla game not normally on pc. on my ps3 working the game perfect without any problem. and than i buy a pc for using mods. i love it more fun with the game

[Francisè von Spitroast]

Originally posted by Oderus:

If it's that difficult for you to install a mod to make damage more realistic, (solution to your gripe) then don't complain about it.

Where did I say it was too difficult? Are you too stupid to understand what I'm even saying? I'm playing what OBLIVION made, not what the COMMUNITY made. Want me to repeat it one more time for you?

Originally posted by Anro:

Originally posted by JizzTheWizz:

Never said it was skill based. Did you read my post?
Mods are not the answer. I don't know why Bethesda players non-stop insist on mods to fix the game. I'm playing what Oblivion made, not what the community made. I don't understand why I should have to use mods to fix what the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ company made. That's downright pathetic.


Read above.

without the mods
Would bethesada long ago broke

for me personllay. i play the vanilla game not normally on pc. on my ps3 working the game perfect without any problem. and than i buy a pc for using mods. i love it more fun with the game

I disagree. There's a reason the games sold hugely on consoles after all.

[76561198282327372]

Why is everyone being such a baby today?

Oblivion didn't make this game.
Obsidian did.
RPG's are stat based, and plenty of people who play RPG's like that system.
Solutions were offered to you, and yet you still cry.

[Francisè von Spitroast]

Originally posted by Oderus:

Why is everyone being such a baby today?

Oblivion didn't make this game.
Obsidian did.
RPG's are stat based, and plenty of people who play RPG's like that system.
Solutions were offered to you, and yet you still cry.

I... are you even reading what I'm typing?
Okay, Obsidian, who ever it is.
Yes I know, good for them. Have you ever played Deus Ex, the original? That's stat based and doesn't have this issue. I don't know where you're going with this whole irrelevant stat vs skill based ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Someone taking 4 grenade launchers to the head is completely irrelevant to either of those systems.
Solutions were not offered, and for the very last time you illiterate ♥♥♥♥, mods are not a solution.

[76561198282327372]

Originally posted by JizzTheWizz:

Originally posted by Oderus:

Why is everyone being such a baby today?

Oblivion didn't make this game.
Obsidian did.
RPG's are stat based, and plenty of people who play RPG's like that system.
Solutions were offered to you, and yet you still cry.

I... are you even reading what I'm typing?
Okay, Obsidian, who ever it is.
Yes I know, good for them. Have you ever played Deus Ex, the original? That's stat based and doesn't have this issue. I don't know where you're going with this whole irrelevant stat vs skill based ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Someone taking 4 grenade launchers to the head is completely irrelevant to either of those systems.
Solutions were not offered, and for the very last time you illiterate ♥♥♥♥, mods are not a solution.

You're cute when you cry.

[Caulder]

Originally posted by JizzTheWizz:

Who ever decided a guy can take literally 7 shots of a ♥♥♥♥ing explosive to the face is actually ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I hate how damage works in these games. Hard should not equate to a guy can take 50 more shots to the face by a minigun. I'm getting chased by these legionaries and they are literally impossible to kill because my lancer apparently takes 30 seconds to kill a guy while his exact lancer, and me having 4 less DT than him means I take 2 seconds. How the ♥♥♥♥ does that work? How am I meant to kill them when a grenade launcher takes 7 direct hits to kill one of them? On top of that I have to worry with the games stupid animations, sluggish responsives and non-stop bugs.

I love this game, but ♥♥♥♥ing hell how dumb do you have to be that taking more damage to a ridiculous extent that a minigun 100 times to the face with a ♥♥♥♥ing wolf as a helmet is NOT real difficulty nor does it make sense in the slightest.

The reason for them being so tanky and you being so squishy is 2 fold
1. They are high level and you are not. In fallout new vegas you gain an increase to your max hp each time you level up once you start getting up there in levels yourself you will find you can and will take comparable amounts of damage.
2. weapon quality and skill with said weapon in new vegas HALF of a weapons damage output comes from your skill with it alone and that is before damage perks are taken into account making it so at later levels you will be able to deal more damage with the same weapons combined with the fact many early game weapons are weak in comparison to later game weapons ment for those size health bars makes them take far more damage then you think they should.

[Bansheebutt]

I've never had a problem with the combat.

Thermic Lance ignores DT/DR btw.

[Vassago Rain]

Deus ex turns enemies into huge tanks on 'harder' difficulties. Maybe not the best example. Bethesda games in general have terrible difficulty sliders, that should be kept at normal. Increasing them doesn't actually make the game harder, just makes your guns weaker, and adds more health to enemies.

As for the rest, level up weaponskills and don't pick fights with dudes who are of a much higher level than you. A grenade launcher does like 20 damage with few points in explosives, but 130+ damage at explosives 100.

[spooney]

Originally posted by JizzTheWizz:

Originally posted by Oderus:

Why is everyone being such a baby today?

Oblivion didn't make this game.
Obsidian did.
RPG's are stat based, and plenty of people who play RPG's like that system.
Solutions were offered to you, and yet you still cry.

I... are you even reading what I'm typing?
Okay, Obsidian, who ever it is.
Yes I know, good for them. Have you ever played Deus Ex, the original? That's stat based and doesn't have this issue. I don't know where you're going with this whole irrelevant stat vs skill based ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Someone taking 4 grenade launchers to the head is completely irrelevant to either of those systems.
Solutions were not offered, and for the very last time you illiterate ♥♥♥♥, mods are not a solution.

I have a few solutions.
Dump more stats into explosives
Make sure your weapon is not almost broken
Possibly enemy lvl too high for you
Turn down the difficulty

I'm sure you've realised by now that this is an RPG where stats mean everything when considering what weapons to use.
Just because you are using a cool dudebro grenade launcher doesn't mean it'll deal much damage because your stats are p!ss weak.
Don't expect to be dealing a lot of damage with anything that explodes when you dump your stats into guns, it's simple to understand.
And as people have said you can install mods to hold your hand.
Become a jack of all trades,master of all and get rid of the pesky rpg side of things for ya.
Sorry this isn't casual like skyrim, kid.

[Francisè von Spitroast]

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Deus ex turns enemies into huge tanks on 'harder' difficulties. Maybe not the best example.

Not true. The original has equal hit points on the hardest difficulty.

Originally posted by Oderus:

You're cute when you cry.

You're cute when you have literally nothing to say because you know you're wrong and already ran out of ♥♥♥♥ to pull from your ass. I dare you to come up with anything other than childish insults and I dare you to try and prove me wrong. Go on, we'll all wait with our arms crossed for you to think of something to say.

Originally posted by κƶ | spooney︼:

Sorry this isn't casual like skyrim, kid.

Have one look at my games list, jack ass. I think you'll find I have not only pretty much zero hours on any Elder Scrolls, but also dozens on the Fallout series as well as numerous other RPG's. Good going making yourself look like a dumbass.

[Francisè von Spitroast]

To everyone else who isn't a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, thanks for the help. I still don't like the way damage works in this game though. An explosive is an explosive. There's no difference between an explosive that you know how to use and an explosive you don't know how to use if they both blow up directly beneath someone. Same goes with bullets to the head. 'Skill' points maybe shouldn't be the best name for them.

I'm also stuck on exactly how to escape these legionary bastards. I've had 3 groups pop up at me and I cannot fight back because they simply do not die, and what's the point when another group'll just come back?