The Courier is part of the Vault Dweller's bloodline theory

[sneaky]

Think about it. Considering all DLC is probably canon it could make since that the courier might be in the Vault Dweller's bloodline. Out of all the items in the Courier's stash the classic pack is the most unique, includng something that can be used all through the game, the Vault 13 canteen, so his really unique item being included could point to it being canon. If this is true I'd see him as a great grandson/daughter to the Vault Dweller. In timeline this would make since, even if the chosen one had a son right after the end of Fallout 2, the age of them in the year New Vegas start, would be around 39, But it wouldn't be likely thay he would have a son immediatly after the ending. This is backed up as the Courier could be in his 20's or 30's, and this is shown to be possible as in-game diologue with the Lonesome Drifter reveals that the Courier might have accidently Impregnated a woman around 18 years ago in game. So we know he could not be 18, and he would have had to be a reasonable age to accidently impregnate a woman, so enough evidence is there.

[N0P3]

Much what NV is, like 3, is parody and poetic license of the first two Fallouts and a bit of Tactics; technically, due to the mashing of content and merging of timelines, the courier being distantly related to the Vault Dweller is a viable possibility. It is also possible that the courier is Encave whom possesses uncommon knowledge of pre-war technology.

Ulysis makes comment to the tech he witnessed being used in the Divide, that had been re-branded (paraphrasing) that makes me think of Eden in FO3. The Enclave making the Old World new again re-imaging old technology and such. There's nothing but speculation as to who the courier is and that is actually what Bethesda wanted; they were going for mystery sans hard line definition of the character.

Regardless of the courier's true identity, many have wondered if he/she is not a descendent of the dweller and there's no irrefutable proof that he is not, therefore possible.

[N0P3]

Am aware of Obsidian being the development team, am also aware that there were creative inconsistencies between Beth and Obs concerning story and time to release - pretty much why many devs from OBS left after FO4. The game itself is the intellectual property of Bethesda and Zenimax regardless therefore not Obsidian's.

Additonally, would not put it past Obsidian to have had slipped potential question into the story line introducing or opening forum regarding the couriers relational ties to the dweller either. I definitely like Obsidian and appreciate the fact that they are quite intelligent -capable of doing such a thing. I chuckle in spite of the ambiguity of the courier's true identity wondering as much, but conclusively C6 is illusive regarding lineage; we can't effectively promote or demote any possible path concerning C's history - but he does seem to posses some specific knowledge of New Reno (as was proven in Novac during Talent Scouting)...

[psychotron666]

Seeing as how Josh Sawyer the developer made his Josh Sawyer mod that takes the pre order packs and placces them in game instead of on character at the beginning of the game, and in game the vault dweller pack is placed in the broken down highwayman location (the highwayman being the car from Fallout 2, the chosen one carried around a vault canteen and had the vault armour) sort of just links the vault dweller's link being the broken down highwayman.

What im trying to say is that the original vision wasnt for the courier to just start with all those differnt packs, those were simply pre order bonuses that they put into a dlc later all at once, and then josh sawyer made his mod for the ultimate edition and places those packs in game in places they make sense to be found.

[N0P3]

psychotron666:
After I got the DLC they all just get dumped on me at start-up in Doc's place, but I got my stuff before the Ult. Ed. was released; Josh's mod ship with Ult. Ed. or is that obtained like most other mods? I'll check

All others:
Bethesda being pretty much the publisher doles out timelines and budgetted funds in a manner consistent with the wishes of investors more than likely identified in the credits and do have the last say. They can and will be the judge of what goes in the game and have been identified as active during game development discretely - I can recall and interview or two with obsidian devs (might be something floating about IGN). I'll trade you a Harry Potter for a Star Wars franchise up until Disney obtained rights: George Lucas is all I'm saying go canon or authorized for expanded universe or go home. Bethesda manages game development like any other media company might a movie, but you already know that. Oh, the investors are referred to as Producers cause they produce the green and resources and generally expect ROI.

I feel compelled to cite, so: Google.com

There were Obsidian devs that stayed behind to work on FO4 that have left Bethesda afterthe game's release disatisfied with direction among other things having disclosed this openly - so we're done here.

Take care.

[Danny]

It's technically possible and makes more sense then people saying the Courier is the same person as the Lone wanderer... XD

Personally my Couriers are there own persons.

[psychotron666]

The Josh sawyer mod is a mod you gotta download online. Sawyer said it was basically his vision of the game, but not official because it was too hardcore for most players (drops weight limit among other hardcore features) so he made it optional.

But as I said, it places the pre order bonus dlcs into the game in specific spots that make sense to where they'd be.
Like I said before how the classic pack with vault 13 armour and canteen are in the crashed highway man (the chosen ones car).

The courier stash is just a collaboration of a the pre order bonuses from the game (depending where you ordered gave you a different pack) and they just re-released them for people who didn't pre order. They aren't meant as hard canon or anything, they were just supposed to be bonuses.

Plus we already hear of the vault dwellers ancestor, he's the head of the bishop gang from new Reno.

The guy that is hiding in novac who you can recruit for tops as an entertainer is on the run from Mr bishop, who apparently knows the wasteland like the back of his hand.

One of the ending slides for fallout 2 - if you slept with the bishop gang leaders daughter without a condom - was that a son was born into the bishop family who was unlike the rest of the family and spent most of his time wandering the wasteland where he felt at home.

By new vegas (like 30 some years after 2) he's the head of the bishop gang.

[psychotron666]

http://www.moddb.com/games/fallout-new-vegas/addons/jsawyer-mod

Here's the mod I'm talking about. The readme has all the details.

[Danny]

Originally posted by psychotron666:

The courier stash is just a collaboration of a the pre order bonuses from the game (depending where you ordered gave you a different pack) and they just re-released them for people who didn't pre order. They aren't meant as hard canon or anything, they were just supposed to be bonuses.

I made it a point to disable the Courier stashes in my game.
I don't want extra's XD

[Brick]

Originally posted by SoundDriver:

Much what NV is, like 3, is parody and poetic license of the first two Fallouts and a bit of Tactics; technically, due to the mashing of content and merging of timelines, the courier being distantly related to the Vault Dweller is a viable possibility. It is also possible that the courier is Encave whom possesses uncommon knowledge of pre-war technology.

Ulysis makes comment to the tech he witnessed being used in the Divide, that had been re-branded (paraphrasing) that makes me think of Eden in FO3. The Enclave making the Old World new again re-imaging old technology and such. There's nothing but speculation as to who the courier is and that is actually what Bethesda wanted; they were going for mystery sans hard line definition of the character.

Regardless of the courier's true identity, many have wondered if he/she is not a descendent of the dweller and there's no irrefutable proof that he is not, therefore possible.

But the package the Courier brough to the Divide was from Navarro abd sent by the NCR

[N0P3]

@Daedric_Brick: the whole Navarro thing rings well; Ulysis states that you don't, apparently, serve a faction, but are in fact walking around with technology that would almost certainly be Enclave. I see what your saying here and agree, but the courier being independent is what has Ulysis stumped; Ulysis isn't buying that the courier is freelance and knows he isn't Legion, NCR or one of House's tribals. Ulysis tries to probe you in the LR dialogs creating more questions than the discourse answers.

I lean toward the fact that the courier is either relative to the dweller or Enclave. These two options concerning the courier's origin seem the most founded.

@psychotron666: thanks for the info on the mod and its developer as well as the link; seriously, I will check them out and thanks again.

[red255]

Fallout 1 you were the vault dweller, Fallout 2 you were the chosen one, likely a direct decendant of the vault dweller, so yes from that I can imagine you are a decendant of the chosen one/vault dweller.

even without a theory.

[Vita, Mortis, Careo]

The Vault Dweller's descendants are clearly laid out in canon. The Vault Dweller (canonically male) and his wife, Pat, had one child -- the Arroyo Village Elder. She and an unnamed man had one child -- the Chosen One (also canonically male). As per the revelation by Bruce Isaac in New Vegas, the Vault Dweller had a male child with Leslie Anne Bishop. It is therefore unlikely that the Courier is of any relation to the Vault Dweller. This is further supported by the Courier's backstory as a delivery person and citizen of the New California Republic.

[N0P3]

I missed something then, the part about him being identified an NCR citizen specifically; when was this information disclosed and by whom? The only thing Bruce Isaac ever told me was Bishop wanted him dead because of money and castrated for sleeping with his (Bishop's) daughter. Funny stuff, but not as enlightening as I would like it to have been.

Everything up to the part where Couroier 6 is an NCR citizen checks out with me; I've played all Fallout titles and solved them many times (except FO4) and acknowledge the validity up to my said discrepency regarding NCR citizenship.

[N0P3]

Agreed.

Bethesda and others had stated they were doing away with the closed loop storyline concerning Fallout titles starting with NV. Was also said it would be better for immersion, mod developers whom want to add content and enliven the player community with greater options for things like builds; etc. Makes good marketing sense too.

[Brick]

Originally posted by AndreyKva:

Everything about the Courier is intentionally vague. Most details in canon for big worlds in video games, books, and multi-media franchises and such are basically only explicitly true or false if written to be so. We have no proof that the Courier is or isn't a descendant, because there is no official statement.

As for the Courier's NCR citizenship, there seems to be very little basis for that. We do know that the Courier spent a lot of time in California, but that doesn't mean anything.

It's for the better as you can rp alot better and come up with your own backstory ( a little less with Lonesome road )